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4F推:這樣收益應該會變少吧..08/30 15:26
5F→:而且就算作業系統有內建,別人也不一定會裝08/30 15:32
6F→:要把別人的電腦上的輸入法也設定好,偽蝦+隨身碟還比較快08/30 15:33
1F推:這麼說dvorak蝦米應該被推廣的.. XD08/26 21:29
2F→:不知道有沒有程式能計算出大新倉最佳鍵位配置怎麼安排..08/26 21:31
8F推:依之前那篇論文來說的話大新倉的字根不到無蝦米的一半..08/28 17:54
9F→:所以大新倉會比較好學08/28 17:55
13F推:大新倉的總記憶訊息個數比蝦米少547個..08/29 13:28
14F推:原始字根大新倉150個,蝦米328個08/29 13:32
15F→:選字率也是大新倉比較低... 這些前面那篇論文都有啊08/29 13:32
19F推:正好相反._.\~/ 大新倉選字率1.10%,蝦米選字率1.40%08/29 19:36
20F→:所以那篇論文裡面說大新倉選字率較低啊:p08/29 19:37
22F→:輸入法設計問題..08/29 22:21
29F推:我目前是用蝦米,因為大新倉目前還沒有鍵位最佳化的預定08/30 14:20
30F→:要找字分析你自己不會去找啊?你以為別人和你一樣閒?XD08/30 14:21
31F→:別人既然做過研究為什麼我非得重做一次一樣的事不可?08/30 14:23
32F推:還有樓上..那個不是從十幾二十字來分析的喔08/30 14:26
33F→:是從教育部國語推行委員會公佈的4075個常用字分析的08/30 14:27
34F推:至於樓上說有誰會去學兩種輸入法什麼的..08/30 14:29
35F→:鍵鼠板的花大以前就會倉頡、蝦米、行列、大易這幾種啊..08/30 14:30
36F→:我也是從舊倉頡轉蝦米的08/30 14:30
37F→:不過轉了之後倉頡的鍵位都忘得乾乾淨淨了╮(▔▽▔)╭08/30 14:31
40F推:就是要強調讓證據說話08/30 15:12
41F→:活在別人創造出來的世界很正常啊..08/30 15:13
42F→:大部份的各位不也活在別人創造的ptt、別人創造的telnet08/30 15:15
43F→:、別人創造的TCP/IP裡面?08/30 15:16
44F→:這個板上以寫輸入法為業的人比例應該不高吧?╮(▔▽▔)╭08/30 15:20
46F推:當然,有Qwerty和Dvorak基礎的人在指法上是這樣沒錯08/30 17:12
51F→:引證別人的研究是很正常的08/30 19:10
52F→:就像知道地球是圓的,不必一定刻意要繞地球一週08/30 19:11
53F→:看書或看別人的研究就能得知了08/30 19:12
57F推:有證明過程的東西和空口說白話是不同的._.a08/30 19:49
58F→:我倒是覺得您的反駁有點偏離主題..08/30 19:50
59F→:我有沒有用過和大新倉理論上好不好學又有什麼關係呢?08/30 19:51
60F推:用數據來說明才是最客觀的方式08/30 19:54
63F→:=口=08/30 19:58
66F→:回答什麼?08/30 19:58
67F→:喔08/30 19:59
70F→:字根形狀設的不一樣 ,最後取碼的方式也會有差異08/30 19:59
71F→:最理想的情況當然是字碼少取碼也少08/30 20:01
73F→:還有你說的舉例的部份,一個一個抽樣取例是不適合的..08/30 20:02
74F→:因為二個輸入法的一碼字和二碼字取的不一樣08/30 20:03
75F→:只能從理論常用字的平均值來看08/30 20:04
76F→:所以才要統計啊08/30 20:05
87F推:既然說完理論,就告訴你實際上是怎麼一回事吧08/31 19:13
88F→:TQC全球華人記錄目前是大新倉在速度方面領先08/31 19:17
89F→: http://0rz.net/7d1Me08/31 19:19
90F→:CSF示範打字最快曾經有232字/分的紀錄08/31 19:20
91F→:既然您認為理論和實際有差距08/31 19:22
92F→:您可以試著用理論反駁,也可以試著用實務反駁08/31 19:23
93F→:至於您說我評論輸入法好壞云云.. 我這麼說吧08/31 19:24
94F→:我並不是做感性評論,而是我從目前收集到的資料來看..08/31 19:25
95F→:大新倉比較好學這樣而已08/31 19:26
96F→:Qwerty配置和倉頡配置數量事實上比字根數量差距還少得多08/31 19:28
97F→:一味光憑衝動而護航是沒有意義的,要是蝦米真的比較優08/31 19:31
98F→:我也省力氣.. 以後都不用重頭學大新倉08/31 19:33
99F→:如果說我有可能跳下去學大新倉的話,至少要滿足二個條件08/31 19:35
100F→:第一是倉頡鍵位配置重新最佳化,第二是其他系統也支援08/31 19:36
107F推:樓上邏輯就好像沒住過美國不能說美國是強國一樣 XD10/10 01:42
108F推:實力高強的人你找得出來不就能反駁了嗎?這麼簡單的事~10/10 01:49
109F推:基本上那已經是計算就能解決的差距10/10 02:11
110F→:我弄實務例子出來也只是所謂錦上添花而已10/10 02:12
1F推:我是倉頡轉無蝦米的.. 現在倉頡已經變得完全不會打了..XD08/23 12:46
3F推:一樓.. 我的意思是可以考慮讓輸入法能用的鍵全部集中在08/22 11:58
4F推:左右兩側.. 中間或是手指要移的較遠的鍵就直接從輸入法08/22 12:02
5F→:整個拿掉.. 這樣拆碼也許也變多,不過可以用降低移動距離08/22 12:02
6F→:、增加手指分擔率、把重覆單個鍵能打出來的字弄成常用字08/22 12:04
7F→:的方式來追回輸入速度08/22 12:06
8F推:2198篇的論文.. 是輸入法做好之後再去比較那個分擔率..08/22 12:24
9F→:我是想說有沒有可能在設計階段就把分擔率先最佳化..08/22 12:26
10F→:像Dvorak配置那樣把比較好的方式先計算出來再去設計08/22 12:27
11F→:這種設計一定是用新的配置方式才有可能達成08/22 12:30
12F→:大新有舊倉頡輸入法的包袱、無蝦米有Qwerty配置的包袱08/22 12:31
13F→:所以在設計階段要計算成接近完美幾乎是不可能的08/22 12:33
14F推:不過如果大新把倉頡鍵位最佳化過一定還能有進一步的提昇08/22 12:50
20F推:因為用推的要找幾樓比較方便啊,我不太喜歡特定要說給哪08/30 14:39
21F→:個人聽而回出一篇文.. 我的回文原則是要給所有的人看才回08/30 14:41
22F→:至於樓上說批評什麼的,有憑有據的批評當然歡迎08/30 14:42
23F→:如果只是意氣用事的東西就免了.. o_o\~/08/30 14:44
25F推:樓上不能理性點嗎? (▔▽▔)10/10 01:47