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1F推:"中產階級的本質"?? 軍公教有佔中產階級半數以上嗎???09/29 11:22
2F推:如同原PO所說的"關鍵不在於中產階級"09/29 11:25
3F→:那就不要把中時聯合牽拖到中產階級身上09/29 11:26
4F推:至於原PO所提及的"踐踏階級報導" 我到現在還沒看過09/29 11:39
5F→:所以我也沒啥好說的 只是原作者以社運與知識份子批中產09/29 11:39
6F→:階級的過於安逸 也能被強抽出來與原PO的"造神運動"一較09/29 11:40
7F→:進而證實原作者之文說服力不足 我倒是覺得挺可憐的09/29 11:42
8F→:人家明明無意評論媒體 你卻要硬拉出來相較 那也沒辦法09/29 11:43
10F推:G大 批評針對事就好 不要針對人啦 = =|||09/29 12:17
16F推:先從最後一句說起 這篇社論你何時看到"媒體"兩個字了??09/29 12:27
19F→:這非社論我就沒什麼好講的了 你就自由發言吧09/29 12:30
22F推:是的 但是我不覺得本專欄所論重點在於媒體09/29 12:33
23F→:媒體有過份偏頗立場的事實大家都看的到 但是你將標題下09/29 12:35
24F→:成這樣並不符合原專欄討論大眾對於"中產階級"觀感的主軸09/29 12:36
25F→:第二段是分別以舉例方式提出對中產階級觀感的現況09/29 12:38
26F→:而最後一段是提到能否上媒體 其主體仍在中產階級本身09/29 12:38
27F→:而原專欄說"出於潔癖"乃是以一般針對中產階級之觀感論之09/29 12:41
28F→:T大何苦定要將其歸類於淡化關於指責媒體之偏頗云云09/29 12:42
29F→:另 還是想問 如何判斷軍公教為"重要主力"???09/29 12:44
36F推:原文中明明寫著"...不屑中產階級運動的人 我想問...."09/29 12:53
37F→:擺明著此文所討論者跟T大所討論者並非同一群09/29 12:54
39F→:我知道 我也有拜讀過李教授的那篇文09/29 12:54
41F推:不想挑毛病 可是我想問 裡面明明沒有舉例啊??09/29 12:57
44F→:原文就因在論及大眾觀感之中 並無提及媒體 即為開脫??09/29 12:58
46F→:"對媒體階級歧視的批判"與"不屑中產階級運動者"相等?09/29 12:59
48F→:再說一定又有人說我在蘆 但是我實在不認為兩者討論為同09/29 13:00
50F→:一群人09/29 13:01
52F→:外界並非沒有"不屑中產階級運動者" 只是與你的"批判媒體09/29 13:01
53F→:階級歧視"者並非同一群人09/29 13:02
55F→:那又何必將"不屑中產階級運動者"視為對"批判媒體階級歧09/29 13:03
56F→:視"者 的曲解呢?? 兩者原指並非同一群人09/29 13:04
61F推:原文所論者本就為對中產階級抱不同態度的兩方 所得出之09/29 13:07
62F→:結論自然亦只適用於此定義 有何干"批判媒體階級歧視"者?09/29 13:10
63F→:文中所論本不是我們 何苦自己跳進來說他的評論錯誤呢??09/29 13:11
66F推:他所論的問題本不是你的問題 你又何苦說他弄錯??09/29 13:13
70F推:他所謂贊美中產階級者乃是於""展現了 一種不亂丟垃圾、09/29 13:17
72F→:不亂打人的運動，堪稱來者模範"者 只是列舉有些媒體為例09/29 13:18
74F推:一樣 那是對"我們的"爭議無關 就請不要跳進去了吧09/29 13:24
75F→:你所論者乃是因為你為兩定義之複合 但是本文僅只從中產09/29 13:25
77F→:階級大眾觀感而論 算是評論到這波爭議的某些群眾 又何09/29 13:26
78F→:必跳進去呢??09/29 13:27
79F→:他所談論的就不是你這個問題了 又何來開脫效果??09/29 13:28
80F→:我有事 T大就先留言吧 我先下線了09/29 13:29
96F推:B大講這話無疑打t大嘴巴 "認為外界普遍認定中產階級發動09/29 17:35
97F→:的運動是神聖的"是T大 我說過 我沒看過中產階級造神報導09/29 17:36
98F→:我也沒看到這篇討論有提過09/29 17:37
99F→:中產階級文化是的確存在的 可是是誰把它跟媒體硬扯上關09/29 17:38
100F→:係的 這就是我認為T大沒必要拿不是討論媒體的文章硬拿來09/29 17:40
101F→:跟媒體扯上關係的原因09/29 17:41
102F→:這篇並無討論媒體之意 卻有人硬要討論 這才是我要說的09/29 17:42
110F推:我可以接受B大"成為媒體藉口"的講法 可是我依然不能認同09/29 23:35
111F→:T大將其指責成整篇之不合理的說法09/29 23:36
112F→:另 若是言詞有過於激烈我會檢討 抱歉 = =a09/29 23:37
115F推:不好意思 謝謝b大的信任 (^^")>09/30 00:02
1F推:推這篇 比上次什麼文化資本差的好多了 有點到問題中心09/29 09:15
1F推:TEST12/04 00:38
2F→:我與父親不相見已有二年餘了，我最不能忘記的是他的背影12/04 00:38
3F→:。那年冬天，祖母死了，父親的差使也交卸了，正是禍不單12/04 00:38
4F→:行的日子，我從北京到徐州，打算跟著父親奔喪回家。到徐12/04 00:38
5F→:州見著父親，看見滿院狼籍的東西，又想起祖母，不禁簌簌12/04 00:38
6F→:地流下眼淚。12/04 00:38
7F→:父親說，“事已如此，不必難過，好在天無絕人之路！”12/04 00:38
8F→:回家變賣典質，父親還了虧空；又借錢辦了喪事。這些日12/04 00:38
9F→:子，家中光景很是慘淡，一半為了喪事，一半為了父親賦閒12/04 00:38
10F→:。喪事完畢，父親要到南京謀事，我也要回到北京唸書，我12/04 00:38
11F→:們便同行。12/04 00:38
12F→:到南京時，有朋友約去遊逛，勾留了一日；第二日上午便須12/04 00:38
13F→:渡江到浦口，下午上車北去。父親因為事忙，本已說定不送12/04 00:38
14F→:我，叫旅館裏一個熟識的茶房陪我同去。他再三囑咐茶房，12/04 00:38
15F→:甚是仔細。但他終於不放心，怕茶房不妥貼；頗躊躇了一會12/04 00:38
16F→:。其實我那年已二十歲，北京已來往過兩三次，是沒有甚麼12/04 00:38
17F→:要緊的了。他躊躇了一會，終於決定還是自己送我去。我兩12/04 00:38
18F→:三回勸他不必去；他只說，“不要緊，他們去不好！”12/04 00:38
19F→:我們過了江，進了車站。我買票，他忙著照看行李。行李太12/04 00:38
20F→:多了，得向腳夫行些小費，才可過去。他便又忙著和他們講12/04 00:38
21F→:價錢。我那時真是聰明過分，總覺他說話不大漂亮，非自己12/04 00:38
22F→:插嘴不可。但他終於講定了價錢；就送我上車。他給我揀定12/04 00:38
23F→:了靠車門的一張椅子；我將他給我做的紫毛大衣鋪好坐位。12/04 00:38
24F→:他囑我路上小心，夜裏要警醒些，不要受涼。又囑托茶房好12/04 00:38
25F→:好照應我。我心裏暗笑他的迂；他們只認得錢，托他們直是12/04 00:38
26F→:白托！而且我這樣大年紀的人，難道還不能料理自己麼？唉12/04 00:38
27F→:，我現在想想，那時真是太聰明了。12/04 00:38
28F→:我說道，“爸爸，你走吧。”他往車外看了看，說，“我買12/04 00:38
29F→:幾個桔子去。你就在此地，不要走動。”我看那邊月台的柵12/04 00:38
30F→:欄外有幾個賣東西的等著顧客。走到那邊月台，須穿過鐵道12/04 00:38
31F→:，須跳下去又爬上去。父親是一個胖子，走過去自然要費事12/04 00:38
32F→:些。我本來要去的，他不肯，只好讓他去。我看見他戴著黑12/04 00:38
33F→:布小帽，穿著黑布大馬褂，深青布棉袍，蹣跚地走到鐵道邊12/04 00:38
34F→:，慢慢探身下去，尚不大難。可是他穿過鐵道，要爬上那邊12/04 00:38
35F→:月台，就不容易了。他用兩手攀著上面，兩腳再向上縮；他12/04 00:38
36F→:肥胖的身子向左微傾，顯出努力的樣子。這時我看見他的背12/04 00:38
37F→:影，我的淚很快地流下來了。我趕緊拭乾了淚，怕他看見，12/04 00:38
38F→:也怕別人看見。我再向外看時，他已抱了朱紅的桔子往回走12/04 00:38
39F→:了。過鐵道時，他先將桔子散放在地上，自己慢慢爬下，再12/04 00:38
40F→:抱起桔子走。到這邊時，我趕緊去攙他。他和我走到車上，12/04 00:38
41F→:將桔子一股腦兒放在我的皮大衣上。於是撲撲衣上的泥土，12/04 00:38
42F→:心裏很輕鬆似的，過一會說，“我走了，到那邊來信！”我12/04 00:38
43F→:望著他走出去。他走了幾步，回過頭看見我，說，“進去吧12/04 00:38
44F→:，裏邊沒人。”等他的背影混入來來往往的人裏，再找不著12/04 00:38
45F→:了，我便進來坐下，我的眼淚又來了。12/04 00:38
46F→:近幾年來，父親和我都是東奔西走，家中光景是一日不如一12/04 00:38
47F→:日。他少年出外謀生，獨立支持，做了許多大事。哪知老境12/04 00:38
48F→:卻如此頹唐！他觸目傷懷，自然情不能自已。情鬱於中，自12/04 00:38
49F→:然要發之於外；家庭瑣屑便往往觸他之怒。他待我漸漸不同12/04 00:38
50F→:往日。但最近兩年不見，他終於忘卻我的不好，只是惦記著12/04 00:38
51F→:我，惦記著我的兒子。我北來後，他寫了一封信給我，信中12/04 00:38
52F→:說道，“我身體平安，惟膀子疼痛利害，舉箸提筆，諸多不12/04 00:38
53F→:便，大約大去之期不遠矣。”我讀到此處，在晶瑩的淚光中12/04 00:38
54F→:，又看見那肥胖的，青布棉袍，黑布馬褂的北影。唉！我不12/04 00:38
55F→:知何時再能與他相見！12/04 00:38
2F推:這記者真是缺德(怒) 這樣等於對被害者二次施暴嘛09/28 22:36
1F推:其實我覺得這個名詞連國內的定義都很分歧吧??09/28 19:32
2F推:像是 http://0rz.com/?DwUgR09/28 19:35
3F→:蔡國強先生可是道地的台灣人啊= =|||09/28 19:37
8F推:華裔的解讀不是"華人的後代嗎"?? 至少字面解釋是這樣= =09/28 19:44
9F→:我不知道大家通常是怎麼用這個詞彙的.....09/28 19:46
12F→:叫人吃大便的S大 你出現了啊?? XD09/28 19:46
13F→:原來是這樣 可能是我被上一篇報導誤導了 真抱歉Orz....09/28 19:48
16F推:有人推文能推到大便去我也沒辦法 要怎麼跟他溝通呢?09/28 20:04
19F推:沒差 反正我不是做這行的 不經一事不長一智啊XD09/28 20:10
20F→:不然老是被媒體誤導來誤導去的 這樣也不好....09/28 20:11
21F→:只要能搞清楚最後是怎麼一回事就好了09/28 20:12
23F推:a大教訓的是 我以後不會隨便看一家報紙就下定論了= =|||09/28 20:18
39F推:"華裔的台灣人" 哈哈 這篇文章的t大還要說些什麼嗎??09/29 20:06
40F推:我就說"華裔"的用法在國內很分歧吧09/29 22:24
43F→:不 我只是想說"華裔"的用法在國內分歧09/29 23:39
44F→:畢竟 在今天所有的報導裡沒有一個指出使用者的錯誤09/29 23:40
45F→:那就表示這樣分歧的用法在國內是事實啊 為什麼還有一堆09/29 23:41
46F→:人要噓我呢??09/29 23:42
47F→:另 我終於懂了"13號球員"的意思了......(苦笑)09/29 23:43
49F推:總比愛叫人家吃大便的某人好 自己愛吃不代表別人也愛吃10/01 09:53
51F→:當然是愛叫人家吃大便的人才會這樣啊 S大10/05 18:32
1F推:其實這也算是各人解讀不同啦 XD 沒什麼正解的09/28 19:28
40F→:這是什麼鬼報導 前因後果地點時間都不交代的.....09/28 19:20
59F推:聯合真是無可救藥了 什麼叫""標準儒雅中國人的臉"????09/28 18:10
3F推:推這篇09/28 19:16
4F→:那林佳龍親戚連續被搶兩次 他就沒資格幹內政部長了嗎?09/28 19:16
5F→:罵記者就挑他的工作領域罵就好了 人家也是人09/28 19:16
6F→:大家還是別這樣幸災樂禍了09/28 19:17
7F→:囧 搞錯名字了 麻煩原PO幫我修掉吧09/28 19:18
8F→:還是改成蘇院長也可以09/28 19:21
13F推:我後來想一想 好像真的是舉例不當喔.......09/30 13:33
4F推:沒必要用到噓吧? 另外推文討論內容好像跟媒體關係不大XD09/28 02:33
5F推:再推一個推回來XD09/28 02:35