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3F推: 嗯……的確，我會在第二份作品中把事情弄得更好08/24 11:30
4F→: 不過有一點你忽略了 就是投票投的並不一定是判斷回答者08/24 11:32
5F→: 也有可能是策略性的投 但由於不記名所以變得很曖昧08/24 11:32
6F→: 其實要快也不難 每個人少一張卡片就可以進結局了08/24 11:33
7F→: 很多東西可能要實作才會有感覺 但如果看規則感覺就不好08/24 11:33
8F→: 那是我應該檢討的08/24 11:33
9F→: 總之只要有人思考過我想出來的規則我已經十分感動了08/24 11:34
10F→: 我希望呈現的是以真心話為本的遊戲，積木僅是反應狀況08/24 11:35
11F→: 話說回來你的玩法很傷感情吧= =遊戲內外分界是很模糊的08/24 11:37
12F→: 不過就是因為好結局難能可貴 才顯得出其價值08/24 11:37
13F推: 我自己思考過無數遍了 並沒有要人幫我思考的意思08/24 11:40
14F推: 你做人都用這種真小人的作法我會很佩服08/24 11:42
15F→: 但你確定有辦法在大家面對面的時候這樣玩嗎？08/24 11:42
18F→: 遊戲時間如果長的話代表大家配合 那沒多久也就疊完了08/24 11:43
19F→: 你說的沒錯 終歸還是要實驗的08/24 11:44
21F→: 只是我目前採取放棄態度 因為我覺得這遊戲樂趣不足08/24 11:44
22F→: 如果疊不完的話代表有人說謊 那麼基礎會越來越薄弱08/24 11:45
23F→: 最後八成就戰爭 為了避免這點特別行動一定會趕快用08/24 11:45
24F→: 規則上有敦促玩家完成遊戲的地方08/24 11:45
25F→: 談判遊戲不涉及到講真心話和彈耳朵或者下跪啊= =08/24 11:46
31F→: 所以我說這遊戲的內外分界是非常模糊的 什麼都真槍實彈08/24 11:46
32F→: 我覺得關鍵就在於這個遊戲已經踏入一種社交模式了08/24 11:47
33F→: 不能單以「他是遊戲我贏就好」這種觀點來看08/24 11:47
34F→: 我希望呈現的是 對 我的確要稱帝 但我要掩飾他 這種概念08/24 11:49
35F推: 我覺得你的結論很重要：是否有辦法讓玩家認真？08/24 11:54
36F→: 我覺得這點就算測試也很難測，除非大家都很熟的好友08/24 11:54
37F→: 我覺得可以藉由一些非常尷尬的問題，引導玩家進入狀況08/24 11:55
38F→: 當你被迫面對一些窘境時，想不認真也很難08/24 11:55
39F→: 至於你說的遊戲中的背叛 那是屬於「遊戲內」的東西08/24 11:55
40F→: 跟「現實人生」有距離 一旦有距離 要保持中立客觀就不難08/24 11:56
41F→: 輸了了不起再贏回來 贏不了也不會怎樣 不會傷到真感情08/24 11:56
42F→: 說實在我認為真心話認真玩非常傷感情 更甭提還加以搗蛋08/24 11:57
43F→: 所以這遊戲不僅沒樂趣 還會讓很多人卻步XD徹底的實驗作08/24 11:58
44F→: 當成是我日後作品的跳板即可 整體而言表現真的不好08/24 12:03
52F推: t說得也有道理 循序漸進可以找出很細微的問題08/24 12:57
53F→: 熟人玩起來都很尷尬了更何況陌生人XD 一回生二回熟08/24 12:58
55F推: 樓上認為對人不對事的態度真的好嗎？08/24 13:04
56F推: 嗯 只能說實做才能讓很多事明朗化08/24 13:33
61F推: c 請問哪句看起來像筆戰？ g請問哪句話看起來像裝老玩家08/24 13:59
64F推: 他沒說誰啊 我只想知道是哪句話08/24 14:11
66F推: @c 筆戰的話就像我前一句這種08/24 14:17
70F推: 其實我沒實測過4小時也是掰出來的：P 玩不到結局也可以08/24 14:25
72F→: 結束啦 真心話的過程就很有趣了08/24 14:25
73F→: 我保證大多數的客人不會想玩XD08/24 14:26
75F→: 對呀 才剛做出來而已08/24 14:26
76F→: 有要跟你收錢嗎 k08/24 14:27
79F推: 即使依照我的預測 平均時間也是2小時左右吧08/24 14:37
82F推: 這規則本來就是空想的08/24 14:42
83F→: 我並沒有要求任何出版社出實品 大家參考用吧08/24 14:42
85F推: 在構想階段的修改08/24 14:46
86F→: 如果有任何人拿去測 再跟我說問題 我也會修改08/24 14:46
87F→: 目前由於我認定他不適合上市 所以不打算跑流程08/24 14:47
94F推: t 敬請期待我的第二個作品，已在草稿階段08/24 15:29
95F→: 心心就看誰有興趣 放水流08/24 15:29
96F→: 不過是這樣 手機遊戲如果是免費的 即使是測試版也沒辦法08/24 15:30
97F→: 不過要註明beta就是了 浪費人的時間總也不好08/24 15:31
98F→: 如果覺得閱讀心心的規則很浪費你的時間 在此致歉08/24 15:50
101F推: 設計師性格總是浪漫一點08/24 17:42
104F推: 樓上的「良好」二字需要我翻推文來反駁嗎？08/24 18:44
107F→: 又來個指控 從頭到尾都是指控 證據呢？08/24 20:00
118F推: 那你有想過你的感覺跟我的本意可能完全不同嗎？08/24 20:04
119F→: 你去看我比較衝的回文 當初對方是怎麼起頭的08/24 20:05
120F→: 對方禮貌我就禮貌 對方要酸我也不會客氣 這就是我的風格08/24 20:05
121F推: 你搜一下我最早的討論串 就知道為什麼這麼多人愛針對我08/24 20:07
126F推: 不是，我指的是「卡坦島設計疑義」這串08/24 20:15
127F→: 你不會覺得單就出版、遊戲本身不至於招來這麼多酸民嗎？08/24 20:16
130F推: 據理力爭、擇善固執，我不知道有何不妥08/24 20:31
131F→: 我自己有不好不對的地方，也大方承認，不會遮掩08/24 20:31
132F→: 比起許多無的放矢的酸民，我自詡比他們高尚多了08/24 20:32
136F推: 內舉不避親 外舉不避嫌 一是一 二是二08/24 20:39
160F推: @a 給意見跟亂酸有天壤之別08/25 00:23
161F→: @t 我是真的覺得娛樂性不足 前景不看好才放棄的08/25 00:23
162F→: 好歹也是想了一個月的東西，是個很棒的實驗品，但不適合08/25 00:24
163F→: 市場就是了08/25 00:24
164F→: @w 同 @a08/25 00:24
165F→: @d 你指別人時才需要證據 我指自己只代表我的自信08/25 00:25
166F→: @v 同 @a08/25 00:25
169F推: 請問信誓旦旦四字從何而來？08/25 08:33
170F→: 如果要對人 麻煩也精準一點 無數亂七八糟的指控真的很爛08/25 08:34
174F推: obluda: 純噓e08/25 10:24
175F→: cultom: 何苦跳下來筆戰，讓作者自己不斷腦內補完自爽就08/25 10:25
176F→: ginobiB: 有人就喜歡裝老玩家 半桶水響叮噹阿08/25 10:25
177F→: tablelee: 因為客人教完就沒法換遊戲一直到基本消費時08/25 10:25
178F→: RedKinyo: 碰到自我感覺良好的人，說再多也沒用。08/25 10:26
179F→: 我想請問demonik 針對這些攻擊，我哪一點回應不夠高尚08/25 10:27
180F→: 還有 這些攻擊哪一點是立基於實證上？08/25 10:28
182F推: 他的意思是這個遊戲「必然」需要玩到4小時08/25 10:59
183F→: 客人不滿店家不推這是他的自由 但對遊戲了解不夠是錯誤08/25 11:00
184F→: 就這點來批評就叫攻擊08/25 11:00
185F→: 事實上遊戲長度幾乎是由玩家自行決定 沒有什麼消費問題08/25 11:02
186F→: 也沒有玩到一半不能中止的事情 世上所有桌遊都沒有08/25 11:02
190F推: = =好吧如果你堅持的話= =08/25 11:11
194F推: 單就規則來討論毫無意義嗎？08/25 11:52
195F→: 既然沒有推出 又何來玩和買？08/25 11:52
197F推: 好的，我對第二個作品十分有信心08/25 11:56
201F推: @s 你要不要爬一下本串首篇的前兩行？那是發文時就有的08/25 16:53
202F→: 況且，沒比第一個好上幾倍，對第二個的信心從何而來？08/25 16:54
209F推: 講簡單點好了：不好玩而且是拼裝的東西，有人願意拿去做08/25 17:29
210F→: 的話算很僥倖了，所以放棄著作權，這樣清楚多了吧08/25 17:29
211F→: 我的回應多是感謝詞，我實在看不出跟信心的關聯性08/25 17:30
212F→: 如果你是講態度的話 我不管回應什麼都是這種態度08/25 17:31
227F推: 宅貓人真好 （被洗腦）08/26 10:25
253F推: 很屌的稱號啊！！08/28 16:07
12F推: 我一直不懂 為什麼拉密不用撲克牌玩就好= =08/24 09:08
1F推: 這不用桌子啊XD08/23 14:27
4F推: 設計能力應該是設計師的本分吧= =08/23 15:11
6F推: 有誰說不測試的嗎？08/23 17:00
8F推: 喔……我了解了抱歉08/23 17:14
13F推: 我覺得意思是：事情都有一個簡單的解法08/23 22:13
14F→: 簡單也有不同方向，最好的方法簡單不代表簡單就是最好08/23 22:13
16F推: 任何事都要「我覺得」對我而言才有意義08/24 06:28
17F→: 那麼請t解釋 我的說法跟其原意出入在哪08/24 06:29
18F推: ？我跟他們看法一致啊 設計遊戲人物的能力不是種麻煩08/24 09:12
19F→: 測試也是以你為主 我一開始以為SeekU在諷刺我才會那樣回08/24 09:13
20F→: 簽名檔也是文章的一部分，討論一下不過份吧08/24 09:13
4F推: http://81dojo.com/client34.html?130916 線上玩08/22 07:20
6F推: 其實這網站沒人的時間居多哈哈08/22 14:50
3F→: 測試不是在投稿之後的事嗎？08/21 23:43
5F→: 意思是我必須將測試報告一起投稿給出版社嗎？？？08/21 23:57
26F→: 自己人總會顧及一些感情因素08/22 09:40
12F推: 每次經過桌遊店都一定有人 地段選對不會賠吧08/18 17:51
19F推: 我不懂怎麼做生意啦 只是想說客人源源不絕就不會賠08/18 23:52
24F推: 見縫插針真屌 直接對人就好事情也甭提了08/19 11:42
25F→: 既然怎麼開都賠 那意思是開桌遊店的人都白痴囉？08/19 11:44
27F推: whatai 好像很懂的樣子 不知道你的店展到第幾家了？08/19 12:47
28F→: 別人都當你白痴我可不這麼認為啊 別又放冷箭了08/19 12:47
30F推: 誰是某人啊？08/19 14:27
31F推: 如果剛好在說我的話 我也很無奈必須配合某些人啊08/19 14:29
33F推: 我也承認我外行啊 不像一堆大內行店都不知道開幾間去了08/19 16:34
35F推: 我又不喜歡開店 第一個作品大概明後天就能投稿了08/19 18:32
37F推: 完全兩碼子事吧 況且我也沒說做出來一定有人買帳08/19 19:03
38F→: 有人就是有消費 持續消費還會賠那到底怎樣才能賺？08/19 19:03
41F推: 邏輯到底怎樣導到這的？？？我一開始有嗆聲說很會賺嗎？08/20 00:25
43F推: 你從頭看到尾 是我跟人吵起來還是人家跟我吵起來08/21 08:58
46F推: 一個巴掌打到人家臉上呢？08/23 10:56
52F推: 既然樓上這麼內行，請問要怎樣才不會賠啊大哥哥08/23 15:59
53F推: 基本工資本來就人事成本 漲個不停的房租是你自己的假設08/23 16:10
54F→: 訂價訂錯是入場費1元嗎 裝潢多少錢是開店前的事08/23 16:11
55F→: 你不用水不用電也能開店？照時數算錢是要翻什麼桌08/23 16:12
56F→: 你講些外行話就想打臉喔08/23 16:12
57F→: 而且很奇怪 我在八卦板看到的打臉都是打自稱專業的08/23 16:13
58F→: 自稱不專業還要打的是怎樣 流氓嗎？08/23 16:13
59F推: 也對啦 也只有小混混會打完臉還補嗆一句的 算我倒楣08/23 16:17
61F推: 不賺人的錢難道賺鬼的錢？08/24 14:04
62F推: 「一定」兩個字哪出來的翻出來看看08/24 14:09
6F推: RO？08/17 23:28
3F推: 感覺很可愛哦08/17 09:42
1F推: 我也想跟白天團 晚上都到三更半夜的真恐怖08/14 23:25
9F推: 滿懷期待的借卡卡頌 全家人玩完都是一臉囧 orz08/13 19:11