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8F推:表格哩!!!02/19 15:11
70F推:明明就是是布爾橋亞往上層擴張...02/19 15:41
71F→:英美的Middle Class定義也是超級有錢的...02/19 15:42
75F→:馬克思本來以為布爾喬亞會被消滅 沒想到布爾喬亞卻往上層02/19 15:43
76F→:擴張 Middle Class 是相對於政、教、平民階級而定義的02/19 15:44
77F→:富產、資產、小資產本來就都屬於 Middle Class/Bourgeois02/19 15:45
87F推:你說的資產階級反而更有問題...這樣就無法區分第一段...02/19 15:51
89F→:像原PO文中用"層"其實就夠了...02/19 15:51
92F推:鉅富、經理、專業知識/技能者都算 Bourgeois02/19 15:54
94F→:橫跨範圍從中層到上層02/19 15:54
95F→:這些都是資產階級... 資產不一定是大量的金錢財富02/19 15:55
97F→:擁有一定的知識、文化、藝術技能者都算是02/19 15:55
99F→:"文化藝術"扣掉好了...實在有點怪怪的02/19 15:56
101F→:Middle Class本來就是"形容"Bourgeois的形容語02/19 15:57
102F→:看來你是誤會 Middle Class 的 Middle 了....02/19 15:57
103F→:當時的三階層 主教、莊園主、平民02/19 15:57
104F→:Bourgeois 是平民階級中興起並逐漸擁有社會影響力的族群02/19 15:58
106F→:因為有錢但有沒有名義上的實權 不上不下的 才被叫做middle02/19 15:59
108F→:proletariat你那是照著字面自己翻的 不是詞源衍生的...02/19 15:59
113F→:對 是貴族 但貴族是第二階級 不是真正Middle Class02/19 16:00
114F→:Middle Class 是第三階級的內部族群02/19 16:01
115F→:更正一下 前面的莊園主改成貴族02/19 16:01
118F→:不會說不通啊 就打破封建階級阿...02/19 16:02
120F→:(後)工業化時代資本快速累積 使得Bourgeois權力更大02/19 16:03
121F→:你不董可以不要亂蓋嗎...都跟你說那是馬克斯說的了...02/19 16:03
122F→:工業化前期平民階級財富差距不大 所以才會讓大家都以為中產02/19 16:04
123F→:級好像不用很有錢 但工業化中後期後才富差距會拉大02/19 16:04
124F→:主教和貴族這兩階級反而被消滅02/19 16:05
130F推:http://tinyurl.com/4gmwre502/19 16:08
131F→:亂噓亂蓋倒是挺厲害的 我就看你找文獻有沒有比我強...02/19 16:09
134F推:中產階級的"中"是以政治權勢社會階級分的 不是財富02/19 16:11
137F→:我點了發現點不開... 裡面的 Middle Class 是德文 你要自己02/19 16:11
146F推:對 然後搭配Bourgeois辭源出現02/19 16:14
148F→:Bourgeois的出現其實就是擠掉貴族和主教的Middle Class02/19 16:15
151F→:Bourgeois 的出現En Wiki有 中文我就忘了02/19 16:15
152F→:我當然知道 因為我那是我報告的材料..所以我叫你搭配...02/19 16:16
153F→:Bourgeois 之所以會住在城鎮中 是因為當時郊區是貴族主教...02/19 16:16
156F→:封建制的貴族主教也是有資產的...02/19 16:17
160F推:會有認知錯亂很正常..因為當時對工業化的概念還不清楚02/19 16:19
162F→:就連馬克斯己自己都猜錯未來的走向02/19 16:19
163F→:噓得很開心糾正別人的不就是你嗎02/19 16:20
173F推:我就跟你說了要搭配Bourgeois的辭源了阿 不然你看proletariat02/19 16:27
174F→:不然主教貴族也有資產 你要怎麼區分Bourgeois?02/19 16:27
176F→:Middle Class本身又是用來形容某一特定階級的詞02/19 16:28
179F→:主教貴族工廠資本家全部摻在一起作撒尿Bourgeois 那誰要當中02/19 16:29
180F→:產階級 = =02/19 16:29
189F推:那請問你認為"公司大老闆"屬於Bourgeois嗎 就一個問題02/19 16:36
193F推:你直接回答我董事長算不算bourgeois bourgeois的詞源為什麼02/19 16:38
194F→:是城鎮居民 尤指掌控城鎮中心商業實力之人?02/19 16:39
195F→:你的確該檢討 因為我說詞源說很久但是你完全沒去查02/19 16:39
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