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1F→:劉備在邊地做角頭,可以招到全中國的兩個萬人敵的確很強09/13 03:20
4F→:其實漢中防守戰略未必是姜維自作聰明07/26 17:57
5F→:蔣琬把前線大本營後移到涪可能是遠因之一07/26 17:58
6F→:王平守漢中時兵力也是太少,急待費禕來救07/26 17:58
11F推:我以前也是直接從三國演義原文入手05/14 16:14
12F→:但是仔細想想,如果對於三國完全沒有認知的話05/14 16:14
13F→:白話譯本還是有必要的,吉川那本我小學就有人拿來看05/14 16:15
5F→:樓上...04/21 20:15
11F→:額,有點不喜歡羅灌水這種稱呼=.=04/05 17:21
15F→:額,樓上起碼找個最普遍可得的毛宗崗評本看看04/07 19:41
16F→:「吾恐奸雄非常人可罵」04/07 19:41
17F→:「還應曹操罵人不奸雄爾」04/07 19:42
18F→:幫曹操灌水的部分也有不少,像是曹操行刺董卓04/07 19:43
19F→:曹操攻下陽平關等等04/07 19:44
12F→:劉協如果真的想賭命,有可能和曹操同歸於盡也說不定03/02 17:27
4F→:你都說傅僉的回應是有命令了...如果他可以命令蔣舒02/28 16:34
5F→:自己就可以下令,何必拿更上層的命令來壓蔣舒?02/28 16:35
6F→:由傅僉的回答來看怎麼都是蔣舒硬要出城傅僉阻止未果...02/28 16:35
7F→:用「蔣舒講的話任何將領都會同意」所以傅僉同意02/28 16:38
8F→:這樣推論實在大有問題02/28 16:38
9F→:這樣推論其實就是等於說不用看傅僉怎麼說,只要看蔣舒02/28 16:43
10F→:說啥就好?一段史料怎麼能這樣解讀02/28 16:44
12F→:.....蔣舒軍不受守城命令限制...那傅僉講「違命出戰」是?02/28 21:27
13F→:你要解讀成蔣舒要傅僉跟他一起出戰,那放空這麼多兵力02/28 21:31
14F→:還是任何將領都會同意的意見?這樣解讀自己都會打架了02/28 21:32
15F→:你的解釋方式就是1.蔣舒說的話任何將領都會同意02/28 21:34
16F→:2.蔣舒最後「遂率眾出」 所以表示傅僉同意02/28 21:34
17F→:第一點自己打架,第二點完全是結果論....02/28 21:35
21F→:對了,順便說一下,由上次你對「率眾出侯和」的解讀02/28 22:40
22F→:蔣舒的「率眾」出,可是帶著大軍出去02/28 22:40
23F→:根本不是啥遊軍=.= 雖然我不認為「眾」一定就是人數很多02/28 22:40
27F→:當然不止一種解法,但是不能碰到你喜歡的就解釋成大軍03/02 17:16
28F→:上次明明是說「由姜維率眾出侯和」來看,人數不會少03/02 17:17
29F→:現在又說由其他狀況來看,眾指的是大軍03/02 17:18
30F→:這很明顯是循環論證....03/02 17:19
31F→:你先定義一下你的「率眾」到底是多少人吧=.=03/02 17:20
32F→:蔣舒成功出城只能說傅僉的權力不足以壓他03/02 17:22
33F→:傅僉如果要用武力阻止蔣舒出城,會冒自己人先打起來的03/02 17:22
34F→:險,無可奈何才放蔣舒出城,怎麼你一解釋就變成傅僉同意03/02 17:23
35F→:這裡本來討論的重點就是傅僉到底能不能命令蔣舒03/02 17:29
36F→:就算蔣舒不是偷偷殺出去逃出去,傅僉沒有命令蔣舒的能力03/02 17:30
37F→:在這段記載中也是很明顯了03/02 17:30
38F→:所以你主張傅僉的都督職可以統整漢中防務,頗有問題03/02 17:32
13F→:有啊,原形就是孫權的船被射大太多箭差點翻船02/26 13:35
14F→:然後孫權急中生智,換另一邊給人射02/26 13:36
8F→:碰到諸葛亮和姜維講話就會衝起來...02/26 13:50