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4F推:如果魏延沒有揹上造反惡名的話，搞不好就有六虎將了XD06/16 03:35
2F推:印象中晉武帝好像沒這麼小心眼06/01 04:10
1F推:這讓我想到侯君集喝人乳的兩個小妾，侯君集是否跟王濟同樣06/01 00:21
2F→:有錢奢華呢？06/01 00:26
3F推:樓上指劉備嗎？其實劉備能「年十五，母使行學」，應該不會05/06 23:46
4F→:很窮，至少有劉氏宗族的財力在支援他。「德然父元起常資給05/06 23:49
5F→:先主」05/06 23:51
1F推:仔細在寒泉搜尋東漢、三國時"俠"的概念，我無法推翻荀悅對02/05 21:01
2F→:"俠"的定義，看來是我錯了，我一直以為東漢的俠跟西漢的俠02/05 21:02
3F→:有本質上的差別(因俠的精神滲入察舉的標準，造成東漢道德觀02/05 21:03
4F→:的大變化)，現在看來是證據不足，推論武斷，請M大見諒 Orz02/05 21:06
5F推:不過在袁紹、董卓、張邈、王匡等人(袁術除外)的列傳中，也02/05 21:11
6F→:只是用任俠、健俠、游俠輕輕帶過，未對他們"俠"的狀況多加02/05 21:13
7F→:說明，跟曹操的「任俠放蕩」似乎仍有程度或內涵上的差別，02/05 21:15
8F→:故我謹此立文，猜測袁紹等人的"俠"不但未到作姦犯科，甚至02/05 21:18
9F→:未必會跟禮法衝突，只是他們比較喜歡廣交朋友的social而已02/05 21:21
10F推:所以我跟荀悅定義的差別，就在於我比較不認為袁紹等人有「02/05 21:33
11F→:作威福」的動作，因為作威福的引申，常導出違反社會秩序規02/05 21:34
12F→:範(跟禮法衝突)的結果02/05 21:37
15F推:再套用1418篇的推文說明，袁紹、張邈、王匡在當時被稱為02/08 00:39
16F→:「名士」，並未被叫做「游俠」。所以更該用名士的標準去02/08 00:40
17F→:衡量推估袁紹可能的作為，而非以游俠的標準。02/08 00:42
18F→:好像說的不夠清楚，也就是說袁紹的身分是「名士」而非「游02/08 00:44
19F→:俠」，如果名士與游俠確實是對立面的話，那以名士身分聞名02/08 00:46
20F→:的袁紹，就不太可能做出令人非議、會被認為是"游俠"的非禮02/08 00:50
21F→:行為。02/08 00:51
1F推:"俠"的意義很多，在袁紹、袁術、董卓、張邈、王匡的列傳中02/04 23:35
2F→:，比較指向"廣交朋友"的概念，跟西漢時常有"作姦犯科"之俠02/04 23:37
3F→:的意義差別甚大02/04 23:38
1F推:游俠不等於"不守禮法"，袁本初都"不妄通賓客"了，又怎會自02/04 18:18
2F→:甘墮落，行此無禮之舉(連曹操都因曹丕之友一直注目觀看曹丕02/04 18:21
3F→:妻甄氏而大怒，嚴懲曹丕之友，何況袁紹？ 除非曹操只準自02/04 18:22
4F→:己看別人老婆，不准他人看自家老婆)02/04 18:24
5F推:依照當時禮法，"觀人新婦"是非常失禮的"罪行"，搞不好可能02/04 03:14
6F→:跟現在的性侵害罪同樣嚴重(對上層士族來說)，袁紹身為四世02/04 03:15
7F→:三公的儒學大家，有點難相信會有這樣"無禮"的行為02/04 03:17
9F推:樓上說的好，袁紹、張邈、王匡等人從未「被稱之為游俠」，02/07 19:28
10F→:他們的稱呼是「名士」。「好游俠」跟「被稱呼為游俠」是02/07 19:40
11F→:不同的(應該是這樣吧XD)02/07 19:42
1F推:孫皓果然有他的聰明才智12/11 01:21
1F推:王戎雖嫌貧愛富，但仍有很多優點，不脫竹林"率真"的個性11/29 11:29