Re: [問題] 菜花的迷思

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06/09 23:06,
好慘 這是不會好的 而且就算戴套也還是會傳染給別人
06/09 23:06
^^^^^^^^^^^^ ★zfnakj 直接給予嚴厲的指正 有理論跟實證的話 應該很不錯 [05/01/2008 00:45:41] ★zfnakj 呣 看有沒有論文或是國外研究也不錯呀 [05/01/2008 00:46:39] 對於妳的錯誤 雖然妳是正妹 但是奉版主之命 我不得不把妳斬了... Science 2000 Dec 1;290(5497):1651. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/290/5497/1651a "Screening for Cervical Cancer" The majority of HPV-infected women will spontaneously clear their infections over time. 大多數的HPV感染會隨著時間過去而被清除掉。 Science 2005 Apr 29;308(5722):619. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/308/5722/619 "HPV's Peculiarities, From Infection to Disease" If the virus dodges the initial immune response and wangles its way into the epithelium, immune cells that specifically eliminate infected cells, combined with a continued antibody assault, typically clear the infection. 如果HPV侵入,宿主會啟動免疫反應排除遭感染的細胞,加上抗體協助,大都能清除感染。 The New England Journal of Medicine 2001 May 24;344(21):1603-7 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/344/21/1603 "Current Approaches to Cervical-Cancer Screening" Most infections clear within 24 months. 大多數人會在兩年內清除掉HPV。 The New England Journal of Medicine 1998 Feb 12;338(7):423-8 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/338/7/423 "Natural History of Cervicovaginal Papillomavirus Infection in Young Women" The median duration of HPV infection was 8 months (95 percent confidence interval, 7 to 10). By 12 months after the incident infection, 70 percent of the women were no longer infected, and by 24 months only 9 percent continued to be infected. HPV感染時間大約持續8個月,過了一年有70%女人清除HPV,過了兩年有91%女人清除HPV。 The New England Journal of Medicine 2003 Feb 6;348(6):489-90 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/348/6/489 "Adding a Test for Human Papillomavirus DNA to Cervical-Cancer Screening" These tens of millions of infections are usually transient and clinically nonsignificant, although they frequently produce temporary cytologic changes. Fortunately, few HPV-infected women actually become persistently infected (for example, approximately 10 percent remain infected at five years). HPV短暫感染的案例不計其數,僅有10%的案例會發展成持續感染。 The New England Journal of Medicine 2007 Oct 18;357(16):1589-97 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/16/1589 "Human Papillomavirus and Papanicolaou Tests to Screen for Cervical Cancer" The infection is usually transient. HPV感染通常是短暫的。 The Journal of the American Medical Association 2007 Feb 28;297(8):813-9 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/8/813 "Prevalence of HPV Infection Among Females in the United States" Although HPV infection is common, studies suggest approximately 90% of infections clear within 2 years. HPV感染非常常見,90%案例會在兩年內清除感染。 The Journal of the American Medical Association 2007 Jul 4;298(1):38 http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/298/1/38-a "HPV Prevalence and Transmission—Reply" Most HPV infections will clear and only a small fraction of infections persist. 大多數HPV感染會被清除掉,只有小部分會變成持續性感染。 Nature Reviews Cancer 2007 Jan;7(1):11-22 http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v7/n1/full/nrc2050.html "The Natural History of Cervical HPV infection: Unresolved Issues" HPV infections are usually transient. HPV感染通常是短暫的。 The Lancet 2007 Sep 8;370(9590):890-907 http://0rz.tw/294fn "Human Papillomavirus and Cervical Cancer" Most cervical HPV infections (with cytological abnormality or not) are cleared or suppressed by cell-mediated immunity within 1–2 years of exposure. 大多數HPV感染在兩年內(無論有無細胞型態異常),宿主會啟動細胞免疫清除或壓制HPV。 以上幾篇的統計並不單純統計引起菜花的HPV 6 和HPV 11 即使是高風險的HPV 16和HPV 18感染案例 絕大部分的人也都能清除掉 只是比率不會到9成那麼高 特別是HPV 16 連高風險的的HPV尚且如此 何況菜花病毒是HPV中的肉腳 無可否認 一次治療電燒後 不代表患處沒有病毒或不具傳染性 因此常有復發案例 但總的來說~不會沒完沒了的復發 電燒冷凍雷射本身就是一種大量消滅菜花病毒的動作 再輔以免疫藥物 菜花絕對是可以根治的 意即達到HPV DNA陰性的最終目的 相信有點程度的鄉民 都知道上面幾個Journal的威力 希望以後不要再出現獅子鬃毛的說法 沒有根據的說法不只是不負責 更會害人生出沒必要的心理陰影... 若再出現... 我只好再用版主正義之言斬人了 -- 怕只怕,做告白,關係不保 怕只怕,做暗戀,她心異域 怕只怕,做宅男,永為單身 怕只怕,做好人,牛馬服事 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 192.192.90.48 ※ 編輯: Ximena 來自: 192.192.90.48 (06/11 02:44)

06/11 03:00, , 1F
推專業文
06/11 03:00, 1F

06/11 04:10, , 2F
超專業~!
06/11 04:10, 2F

06/11 06:33, , 3F
推專業文!
06/11 06:33, 3F

06/11 07:39, , 4F
推專業文
06/11 07:39, 4F

06/11 09:32, , 5F
清新專業
06/11 09:32, 5F

06/11 11:13, , 6F
那好了之後根別人愛愛 別人會被感染嗎?
06/11 11:13, 6F

06/11 11:41, , 7F
推專業文!!!
06/11 11:41, 7F

06/11 12:29, , 8F
絕對可以根治....怎麼和醫生講的不太一樣?
06/11 12:29, 8F

06/11 12:31, , 9F
復發的案例也不少 說可以根治太誇張
06/11 12:31, 9F

06/11 12:48, , 10F
超級專業文
06/11 12:48, 10F

06/11 12:57, , 11F
這幾個就是在討論根治阿
06/11 12:57, 11F

06/11 13:47, , 12F
壓制?
06/11 13:47, 12F

06/11 14:30, , 13F
怎麼一堆人都不把本文看完就問一堆問題或是提出自己的結論
06/11 14:30, 13F

06/11 15:51, , 14F
說不能根治的啊是沒有看到兩年內可能復發哦
06/11 15:51, 14F

06/11 16:08, , 15F
cleared or suppress 還只把clear加顏色
06/11 16:08, 15F

06/11 16:08, , 16F
壓制住叫做根治喔?
06/11 16:08, 16F

06/11 16:11, , 17F
推文獻 但版主要m板主應該連下一篇都m的
06/11 16:11, 17F

06/11 16:25, , 18F
只能說對沒知識的人 真的要慢慢教了
06/11 16:25, 18F

06/11 19:45, , 19F
連超級大期刊Science都搬出來了@@"
06/11 19:45, 19F

06/11 23:02, , 20F
Science在這裡也只是個小咖~最大咖的是"新英格蘭"
06/11 23:02, 20F

06/11 23:17, , 21F
我的意思是原po專業 但不要以為被m就怎樣 也只是專業而已
06/11 23:17, 21F

06/11 23:25, , 22F
不~樓上你是藥劑師~有些問題還得問問你...
06/11 23:25, 22F

06/11 23:31, , 23F
想問就PO文阿 法西斯有很多專業的可以為你解答
06/11 23:31, 23F

06/11 23:33, , 24F
18046 想站就跟他戰 他也被M了
06/11 23:33, 24F

06/12 00:43, , 25F
只要朱去打電腦 豬太太就會得子宮頸癌 豬的威力太強!
06/12 00:43, 25F

06/12 01:39, , 26F
我不懂你拿一篇根本就沒提到是否能「根治」的文出來
06/12 01:39, 26F

06/12 01:40, , 27F
要反駁什麼 站在我的立場 只要沒有治好 就依然有傳染力
06/12 01:40, 27F

06/12 01:41, , 28F
如果你只是以「不要嚇壞病患了」的立場發言 這是不負責的
06/12 01:41, 28F

06/12 01:41, , 29F
在依然有傳染性的可能之下他性交了 傳染了 誰要負責?
06/12 01:41, 29F

06/12 01:43, , 30F
希望你有看完下面那篇板友的回文 這不是普通的病 是性病
06/12 01:43, 30F

06/12 01:44, , 31F
我個人是寧願相信它不會被根治而達到警世的效果
06/12 01:44, 31F

06/12 01:45, , 32F
但我自己也很懷疑這種"警"能否嚇阻到原本就糟糕的人:P
06/12 01:45, 32F

06/12 01:46, , 33F
無論如何也謝謝你的參與討論就是了~
06/12 01:46, 33F

06/12 01:46, , 34F
可是我不同意你提出的文獻 也不認同你的看法!
06/12 01:46, 34F

06/13 01:17, , 35F
F大真眼熟...難不成您是火星來的嗎?
06/13 01:17, 35F

07/06 03:28, , 36F
專業
07/06 03:28, 36F
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