[討論] 關於QD上半場罰球違規那個判例

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關於上半場QD被判罰球違規那個判例，一開始我也是在LIVE文忿忿不平 所以跑去查了FIBA相關規範 以下是2014 fiba的規定： 43.2.3. The free-throw shooter shall: 關於罰球員的規範 : o Take a position behind the free-throw line and inside the semi-circle. o Use any method to shoot a free throw in such a way that the ball enters the basket from above or the ball touches the ring. o Release the ball within 5 seconds after it is placed at his disposal by the official. 從裁判手中接過球後，應在五秒內投射離手 o Not touch the free-throw line or enter the restricted area until the ball has entered the basket or has touched the ring. o Not fake a free throw. 不得做罰球假動作 43.2.4. The players in the free-throw rebound places shall be entitled to occupy alternating positions in these spaces, which are considered to be 1 m in depth . During the free throws these players shall not: o Occupy free-throw rebound places to which they are not entitled. o Enter the restricted area, the neutral zone or leave the free-throw rebound place until the ball has left the hand(s) of the free-throw shooter. o Distract the free-throw shooter by their actions. 搶籃板球時，不得以任何動作干擾主罰球員 43.2.5. Players not in the free-throw rebound places shall remain behind the free-throw line extended and behind the 3-point field goal line until the free throw ends. 43.2.6. During a free throw(s) to be followed by another set(s) of free throws or by a throw-in, all players shall remain behind the free-throw line extended and behind the 3-point field goal line. An infraction of Art. 43.2.3, 43.2.4, 43.2.5 and 43.2.6 is a violation. 違反規則43.2.3條、43.2.4條、43.2.5條、43.2.6條，均屬於違規 43.3. Penalty 罰則 43.3.1. If a free throw is successful and the violation(s) is committed by the free-throw shooter, the point, if made, shall not count. 如果罰球中籃，但是罰球員違規的情形，則球進分數不算 Any other player's violation which occurs immediately before, at approximately the same time as, or after the violation committed by the free-throw shooter shall be disregarded. 如果罰球員違規，則在之前、同時或是之後的其他球員違規均不追究 The ball shall be awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the free-throw line extended unless there is a further free throw(s) or possession penalty to be administered. 43.3.2. If a free throw is successful and the violation(s) is committed by any player(s) other than the free-throw shooter: o The point, if made, shall count. o The violation(s) shall be disregarded. 如果罰球中籃，而其他球員違規時：中籃有效，且不追究違例 In case of the last or only free throw, the ball shall be awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at any place at the endline. 43.3.3. If a free throw is not successful and the violation is committed by: o A free-throw shooter or his team-mate on the last or only free throw, the ball shall be awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the free-throw line extended unless that team is entitled to further possession. o An opponent of the free-throw shooter, a substitute free throw shall be awarded to the free-throw shooter. 如果罰球未進，而罰球員的對手違例時，由罰球員重新罰球 o Both teams, on the last or only free throw, a jump ball situation occurs. 研究了規定後，我認為： 富邦搶籃板球員進場過早干擾了QD的罰球，屬於罰球違規在先沒錯 但是QD還是要球投出完成罰球動作 之後如果罰球沒進，裁判才會吹判重新罰球 QD因為沒有出手，裁判要判罰球假動作或是5秒違規都可以 根據43.3.1 如果罰球員違規，則在之前、同時或是之後的其他球員違規均不追究 因此我認為這次吹判沒有問題，大家討論看看0.0 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.230.246.51 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/basketballTW/M.1486297892.A.73C.html
推
02/05 20:34, , 1F
優質好文 推推推
02/05 20:34, 1F
推
02/05 20:35, , 2F
但是覺得進場就可以先喊停了已經先違例
02/05 20:35, 2F
推
02/05 20:35, , 3F
嗯 似乎是如此 再賭爛球都要丟出去
02/05 20:35, 3F
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02/05 20:35, , 4F
張伯維根本在Q拿球起來就已經進場了
02/05 20:35, 4F
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02/05 20:36, , 5F
就算先進場也不能喊停 要罰出手後沒進才能算違例 進
02/05 20:36, 5F
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02/05 20:36, , 6F
了不追究
02/05 20:36, 6F
推
02/05 20:37, , 7F
我認為要雙方警告就好 因為張也太早進場卡位了XD
02/05 20:37, 7F
推
02/05 20:37, , 8F
除非有明顯干擾罰球動作
02/05 20:37, 8F
推
02/05 20:37, , 9F
原來如此 專業推
02/05 20:37, 9F
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02/05 20:37, , 10F
張伯維整個站在Q面前..裁判就應該要先吹了吧
02/05 20:37, 10F
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02/05 20:38, , 11F
這已經比球員腳先踏進去還明顯了.....
02/05 20:38, 11F
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02/05 20:39, , 12F
原來直接卡在罰球員面前不算明顯干擾罰球阿......
02/05 20:39, 12F
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02/05 20:40, , 13F
我進去罰球線遮你眼睛也可以
02/05 20:40, 13F
推
02/05 20:40, , 14F
長知識 推
02/05 20:40, 14F
推
02/05 20:40, , 15F
這真的爛招
02/05 20:40, 15F
推
02/05 20:43, , 16F
重點是裁判不會吹啊
02/05 20:43, 16F
推
02/05 20:44, , 17F
對手違例造成Q無法出手 結果判Q沒出手違例 ...
02/05 20:44, 17F
推
02/05 20:45, , 18F
你怎麼知道q出手沒進裁判會不會吹進場過早
02/05 20:45, 18F
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02/05 20:46, , 19F
富黑可能也會說裁判不會吹吧
02/05 20:46, 19F
推
02/05 20:46, , 20F
問題是張伯維先進來卡位Q才沒出手的啊
02/05 20:46, 20F
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02/05 20:46, , 21F
每次富邦比賽就一堆奇怪判決 掉鞋暫停等等 也別怪球迷
02/05 20:46, 21F
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02/05 20:47, , 22F
裁判是有很大可能不會吹阿...不然這球怎麼會改判
02/05 20:47, 22F
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02/05 20:47, , 23F
一直酸富邦啦 雖然都是裁判問題比較大
02/05 20:47, 23F
推
02/05 20:47, , 24F
張卡在Q前面是在Q罰球假動作之後
02/05 20:47, 24F
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02/05 20:48, , 25F
那我衝進去抄球這樣可以嗎= =?
02/05 20:48, 25F
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02/05 20:48, , 26F
球員進場過早踩進來很常看..第一次看到卡在罰球員面前的
02/05 20:48, 26F
推
02/05 20:48, , 27F
是FIBA推廣不利 還是臺灣球迷對規則普遍不知？
02/05 20:48, 27F
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02/05 20:49, , 28F
到底Q是哪來的假動作....是張整個卡在他面前才停止的
02/05 20:49, 28F
噓
02/05 20:50, , 29F
最好有奇怪判決都怪在富邦身上
02/05 20:50, 29F
推
02/05 20:51, , 30F
我說了是裁判問題很大阿 但富邦有得利情況下 被酸2句
02/05 20:51, 30F
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02/05 20:52, , 31F
也很正常啊
02/05 20:52, 31F
推
02/05 21:01, , 32F
推
02/05 21:01, 32F
噓
02/05 21:01, , 33F
我跟你賭Q投出去裁判他媽的不會吹進場過早啦幹
02/05 21:01, 33F
推
02/05 21:03, , 34F
就差別q沒有直接出手
02/05 21:03, 34F
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02/05 21:03, , 35F
反而害了自己
02/05 21:03, 35F
推
02/05 21:06, , 36F
第一拍就要判張進場過早了 後面檢討Q怎樣都多餘
02/05 21:06, 36F
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02/05 21:09, , 37F
認真不懂為什麼要不進才吹？
02/05 21:09, 37F
推
02/05 21:12, , 38F
問題是你不能干擾罰球員 之後才有得好好討論
02/05 21:12, 38F
推
02/05 21:13, , 39F
派布拉過去擋 180後衛根本沒辦法出手 罰球者違例XD
02/05 21:13, 39F
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02/05 21:13, , 40F
還是要用勾射應罰個出手動作 照規則好棒棒
02/05 21:13, 40F
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02/05 21:20, , 41F
這種小動作很常見阿 不過這次張衝特別快
02/05 21:20, 41F
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02/05 21:21, , 42F
明顯蓄意衝過去干擾罰球員的就直接吹t了
02/05 21:21, 42F
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02/05 21:21, , 43F
哪有什麼那我下次就怎樣怎樣干擾的假設
02/05 21:21, 43F
推
02/05 21:24, , 44F
好文推！！！
02/05 21:24, 44F
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02/05 21:26, , 45F
為什麼出手後才有違例的吹判是因為這樣對罰球者有利
02/05 21:26, 45F
推
02/05 21:29, , 46F
Q在別人罰球時也會突然舉手 這樣也干擾到主罰球員啊
02/05 21:29, 46F
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02/05 21:32, , 47F
Q又沒踏進場也沒出聲音...你管他舉手幹嘛
02/05 21:32, 47F
推
02/05 21:34, , 48F
NBA還有人家罰球脫褲子的咧..裁判也不會吹阿
02/05 21:34, 48F
推
02/05 21:36, , 49F
黑富邦戰隊快上
02/05 21:36, 49F
推
02/05 21:39, , 50F
長知識了! 但不曉得有無2016或2017的更新?
02/05 21:39, 50F
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02/05 21:40, , 51F
43.3.1 你前五個字就沒翻到啦
02/05 21:40, 51F
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02/05 21:40, , 52F
"""If a free throw is successful and 巴拉巴拉 """
02/05 21:40, 52F
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02/05 21:41, , 53F
死不出手不是successful啊 要照規則講那根本不是這條
02/05 21:41, 53F
推
02/05 21:48, , 54F
下禮拜還要上節目解釋了嗎？
02/05 21:48, 54F
推
02/05 23:02, , 55F
推有求知慾!
02/05 23:02, 55F
推
02/06 00:03, , 56F
整個人都卡在前面了裁判不會吹判不會警告
02/06 00:03, 56F
推
02/06 00:10, , 57F
看了影片覺得那並不是假動作，QD就是把球往上舉，***
02/06 00:10, 57F
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02/06 00:10, , 58F
並沒有往下收***，張伯維踏進來干擾他可以不出手，***
02/06 00:10, 58F
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02/06 00:10, , 59F
違例的是張伯維***
02/06 00:10, 59F
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02/06 00:49, , 60F
張那個動作不只是進場過早 而是直接干擾罰球...
02/06 00:49, 60F
推
02/06 00:55, , 61F
罰球麵包是違例，那如果派人去干擾讓主罰者投麵包，不
02/06 00:55, 61F
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02/06 00:55, , 62F
就是算主罰者違例，不追究進場過早干擾的人，這樣好像
02/06 00:55, 62F
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02/06 00:55, , 63F
也不太合理吧？不然一直派布拉進場過早站在罰球者前面
02/06 00:55, 63F
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02/06 00:55, , 64F
就不用玩了啊
02/06 00:55, 64F
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02/06 01:33, , 65F
就算有人進場過早還是要出手 裁判沒吹是裁判問題
02/06 01:33, 65F
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02/06 02:21, , 66F
重點就是你要去完成出手阿
02/06 02:21, 66F
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02/06 02:21, , 67F
連出手都沒有完成 裁判也只能吹罰球員違例
02/06 02:21, 67F
重新再看規則，43.3.1第二段內容應該是延續第一段所說"罰球者違規而球進"的情形 是我誤植過來解釋這次的判例 今天的判例應該這樣講 由於規則中對於罰球違例的處罰，都是在完成罰球的動作後來執行 所以罰球者即使受到干擾，還是要去完成罰球的動作 這對於罰球者的權益並未受到影響 對方違例 -> 我方罰球進球 -> 得分算 對方違例 -> 我方罰球沒進 -> 獲得重新罰球的機會 今天張伯維進場過早干擾QD的罰球，屬於違例情形是事實沒錯 如果QD出手了而沒進，但是裁判並未判重新罰球，我想這才構成誤判的情形 因為QD沒有出手，被吹罰球違例沒什麼問題 (不過對於該吹5秒違例還是假動作，我想還是會有爭議) 至於推文舉的一些極端例子 像罰球時乾脆讓布拉直接擋在罰球者前方、直接把罰球者的球給抄走之類的 這無疑問已經構成技術犯規了，不用擔心會有人去這樣鑽漏洞 36.1.3. Any deliberate or repeated non-cooperation or non-compliance with the spirit and intent of this rule shall be considered as a technical foul. ※ 編輯: asdfgh0920 (36.230.246.51), 02/06/2017 06:10:50
推
02/06 07:42, , 68F
講那麼多酸民沒興趣啦……跟他們認真你已輸惹
02/06 07:42, 68F
推
02/06 08:22, , 69F
樓上比較酸
02/06 08:22, 69F
推
02/06 10:05, , 70F
謝謝樓上稱讚XD
02/06 10:05, 70F
推
02/09 13:20, , 71F
反正只要是富邦跟台啤 一定錯!! 法條也無視
02/09 13:20, 71F
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