[外電]In the NBA,5 positions aren't the standard anymore

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In the NBA, 5 positions aren't the standard anymore https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46332249&nid=294 SALT LAKE CITY — It used to be so simple. There were five positions in basketball: point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward and center. 以往籃球很簡單,場上有五個位置 PG SG SF PF C Those words basically described what the players actually did, too. Centers stayed in the middle; power forwards were powerful, strong players who stayed close to the top; small forwards were smaller power forwards; shooting guards stayed outside and shot the ball; and point guards initiated the offense, acting as the first point of attack. 這也基本定位了球員要做的工作.中鋒站中間,PF有威力,強壯的球員站在高個旁邊, SF是比較矮但有威力的球員,SG站外圍然後射,PG啟動攻擊,站在進攻的第一線 In today's NBA, though, we've figured out that the labels don't really help. Look at the NBA Finals, for example. For the Cleveland Cavaliers, LeBron James (classically labeled a small forward) brings the ball up the court, initiates the offense and does everything. Everyone else exists to either give LeBron space to operate or to act as a secondary threat on his actions. 在現今的NBA,我們發現這些傳統的標籤並無法真正幫上忙.看看NBA總冠軍賽, 舉例來說,騎士隊的LBJ被設定為SF,但他帶球到前場,發動攻擊並做任何事. 其他人則隨著LBJ的行動,替他創造空間或扮演第二威脅者 For the Warriors, it gets even more crazy. Steph Curry, ostensibly the point guard, is a better shooter than any shooting guard in NBA history. The Warriors regularly play without a center, with their biggest man being the 6-foot-7 Draymond Green. Kevin Durant might be the tallest player on the floor for most of the series, but he's doing at least 75 percent of his work from outside the paint. 對勇士來說,這就更瘋狂了.Curry,表面上是PG,但他卻比其他NBA歷史上的SG更能射. 勇士一般打球是沒有中鋒的,扮演這腳色的則是6呎7吋的Green.KD可能是在許多系列戰, 場上最高的球員,不過他卻有75%的工作是在油漆區外完成 So what does the NBA do now? Many subscribe to an idea Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens put well in 2017. 所以現在NBA究竟是什麼呢,許多指向塞隊BS在2017執行得不錯的想法 "I don’t have the five positions anymore," Stevens told the Associated Press then. "It may be as simple as three positions now, where you’re either a ball-handler, a wing or a big." BS跟美聯社說,我不再有五個位置了.現在或許就是三個,持球者,側翼或者大個 As the Utah Jazz bring in prospects to Salt Lake City ahead of the NBA draft, that's the breakdown they've started to use on their roster sheets(註1),though what Stevens calls "ball-handlers," the Jazz call "guards." Being that general is a little bit of an adjustment at times, though. 當爵士將未來展望在選秀前帶到鹽湖城.球隊已經開始在球員名單進行突破. BS說持球者,爵士稱後衛.但這只是一個名稱調整 "In my thinking at times, I'm still looking at 'oh, that guy is 6-foot-2, so he's got to play point guard,' when he's really a pretty good shooting guard," Jazz vice president of player personnel Walt Perrin, who has over 30 years of experience as a scout, said. "So yeah, the thinking has to change. Players evolve, and so do scouts." 爵士有30年球探經驗的的人事副總裁Walt Perrin提到,在我以往的想法, 我還是會這麼認為,這個是6'2,他必須當後衛,即使他真的是一個很好的SG. 但這想法需要改變了,球員會進化,同樣球探也要 On Friday, the Jazz worked out Michigan's 6-foot-10, 210-pound Mo Wagner, who led the Wolverines to the national championship game this season. Wagner is a talented shooter and has a nice first step to the rim, but doesn't add the typical secondary skills that a traditional big man does. The players he's most similar to (according to Model 284's player similarity tool) are perimeter players, not big men. https://img.ksl.com/slc/2670/267057/26705747.png

在週五,爵士試訓了Michigan 6'10的Mo Wagner,他帶領Wolverines這季闖進NCAA冠軍賽. Wagner是個有天分投射者,而且在籃框附近的第一步也不錯,但他並沒有傳統大個所具有的第二技能.他看起來更像註2分類(Model 284's player similarity tool)的外圍球員而非大個 So Wagner isn't just blowing smoke when he dismisses questions about his NBA position. 但Wagner並非無視他在NBA的定位模糊的問題 "I think now in the NBA there's barely such a thing as the four and the five," Wagner said after his workout. "They're all the same. There are only bigs." Wagner說,我覺得現在NBA 四五號位的區分已經不明確了.他們都是相同的,因為都是大個子 And some advanced analysts want to eliminate the notion of positions entirely, instead focusing on skill-prototypes that describe what players are capable of on the floor rather than their body types. Alex Chang at Fastbreak Data used machine learning analysis(註2) to examine the 547 players who played in the NBA from 2014 to 2017. 目前更進階的分析想要消除位置的障礙,更著重球員在場上的技能取向而非身材. Alex Chang使用機器學習分析,檢視14到17年,547位在NBA的球員 He found the data was best categorized (as determined by a method called silhouette scoring) into eight types of players: floor generals, combo guards, scoring wings, shooting wings, 3-and-D wings, versatile forwards, offensive centers and defensive centers. (Click to explore the image below.) 他找到一個比較可以分類的方法稱做(silhouette scoring),將球員做八個分類 floor generals, comboguards, scoring wings, shooting wings, 3-and-D wings, versatile forwards, offensive centers defensive centers https://img.ksl.com/slc/2670/267057/26705748.jpeg

Even with Chang's clustering analysis, though, NBA players clearly fit more on a continuum than an eight-slot mailbox. Is Houston's Eric Gordon more of a scoring wing or a shooting wing? It's hard to say. 儘管有Chang的球員分類分析,但NBA球員的技能是比較連續性而非8個分類盒子就像休士頓的Gordon比較像得分或者投籃側翼,這個也沒有定論 But this kind of analysis could be useful for teams who are making difficult decisions in the draft and free agency this offseason. Take the Jazz: It's pretty clear that they have their scoring guard (Donovan Mitchell) and defensive center (Rudy Gobert) of the future. They have answers at floor general (Ricky Rubio), shooting wing (Joe Ingles), and 3-and-D wings (Jae Crowder and Thabo Sefolosha) on the roster. 但這些分析對於想要在季後的選項以及自由球員市場上有不同想法的球隊是有幫助的. 以爵士來說,相當清楚目前及未來有的菜色得分後衛--Mitchell 防守中樞--Gobert 地板後衛--Rubio 投籃側翼--Ingles 3D側翼--Crowder及Sefolosha But the Jazz might need a better answer at versatile forward and combo guard than what they have on the squad. And should they keep their offensive center (Derrick Favors)? If they don't, they'll probably need to acquire another option. 但是爵士仍然需要一個多才多藝的鋒線以及雙能衛在場上,且必須保有進攻中心(Favors?) 如果沒有,那必須找到取代方案 Regardless of the answers to those questions, one thing is clear for all 30 NBA teams: the five positions of basketball, once the standard, are now obsolete. 不管這些問題的答案如何,但一個對於NBA30隊都比較明確的答案是, 過往籃球傳統的五個位置,現在都已經過時了. 註1 https://twitter.com/UtahJazzPR/status/1002286247769862144 註2 https://img.ksl.com/slc/2670/267057/26705748.jpeg

裡面有幾個翻不是很好的點 a.power forwards were powerful b.Many subscribe to c.silhouette scoring 如果大家有其他建議或覺得其他有錯誤的地方也歡迎指正 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.159.251.217 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/UTAH-JAZZ/M.1527914819.A.942.html

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