Should have we know the Jazz would be better?

看板UTAH-JAZZ作者 (Milt)時間13年前 (2010/12/03 14:36), 編輯推噓5(8311)
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Locked on Jazz - Should have we know the Jazz would be better? December 2nd, 2010 One statistic I like to look at, but I am never sure how much to value is an individual players plus minus in contrast to what a team does when the player is off the floor. I have found over the year's what it really tells you is where a team is lacking depth and who it can't afford to have off the floor. Today the Utah Jazz sit at 15-5 and I am wondering if I should have taken plus minus a lot more seriously. In the roster overhaul that started at the trade deadline last year and continued into the off-season the Utah Jazz removed two players that came out the worst numerical in regards to team performance. The last few years as a Utah Jazz fan we were confronted with a strange development. Their old school best statistical player was also one of their new school statistically worst players. Carlos Boozer put up 20 points and 10 rebounds while looking questionable in advanced stats. Over the past 4 years, the Utah Jazz have been a better team when Carlos Boozer was off the floor than on the floor. I was amongst those who believed this was largely based on who he was playing against and a compliment to Paul Millsap who was the best back-up power forward in the NBA, therefore the Jazz had an advantage when he was on the floor. Yet, 20 games into the new season without Carlos Boozer I am beginning to wonder if +/- told us this was going to happen. Over the past 4 seasons the Jazz were better with Boozer off the floor the last two years and very similar with him on the floor or off the floor. ┌─────┬───────┬───────┐ │ YEAR │ON FLOOR +/- │OFF FLOOR +/- │ ├─────┼───────┼───────┤ │2006-2007 │ +3.1 │ +2.5 │ ├─────┼───────┼───────┤ │2007-2008 │ +7.2 │ +6.1 │ ├─────┼───────┼───────┤ │2008-2009 │ -1.5 │ +4.4 │ ├─────┼───────┼───────┤ │2009-2010 │ +4.6 │ +6.8 │ └─────┴───────┴───────┘ What was undeniable was how much better the Jazz were defensively with Boozer on the bench rather than on the floor. Today the Jazz are the #1 FG% defensive team and one of the best against the 3 point shot. Jerry Sloan commented today “in the past we couldn't guard inside so we had a hard time getting to shooters.” Throughout the broadcasts this season Ron Boone has complimented Al Jefferson for his ability to stay between his man and the basket. Again statistically this played out in the Numbers. Over the past 4 seasons the Jazz were a dramatically better defensive team with Boozer off the floor than on the floor. ┌─────┬───────┬────────┐ │ YEAR │PTS Allowed On│PTS Allowed off │ │ │Floor Per 48 │Floor Per 48 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2006-2007 │ 109.2 │ 106.5 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2007-2008 │ 109.4 │ 103.2 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2008-2009 │ 111.9 │ 106.9 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2009-2010 │ 108.5 │ 102.8 │ └─────┴───────┴────────┘ The Jazz have the #1 EFG (effective field goal % - weighs 3 point shooting) in the NBA at 46.3%. A year ago the Jazz were 13th in the NBA at 49.2%. Is all it Boozer's departure, probably not, but the numbers may have told us this was going to happen. At the trade deadline the Jazz moved Ronnie Brewer. Brewer had a reputation for being a good defensive player. However, the numbers told the exact opposite. The Jazz were a better defensive team with Brewer off the floor than on the floor. ┌─────┬───────┬────────┐ │ YEAR │PTS Allowed On│PTS Allowed off │ │ │Floor Per 48 │Floor Per 48 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2007-2008 │ 108.9 │ 106.3 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2008-2009 │ 110.4 │ 104.6 │ ├─────┼───────┼────────┤ │2009-2010 │ 107.5 │ 106.1 │ └─────┴───────┴────────┘ Brewer and Boozer were often on the floor together so it was always an easy explanation for why Brewer's advanced stats looked so poor. However, in retrospect maybe the numbers were telling us something. The advanced stat world is hard to comprehend and value because of the amount of statistical noise that exists evaluating one player dependent on 9 other players on the floor. However, in the case of the Utah Jazz defensive revival maybe we should have seen this coming. http://www.nba.com/jazz/features/locked_on_jazz.html -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.115.216.43

12/03 14:43, , 1F
老實說 我也在懷疑KOC是最佳總管之一了...
12/03 14:43, 1F

12/03 14:57, , 2F
蠢品康那只是大智若愚?
12/03 14:57, 2F

12/03 17:33, , 3F
不趕快回應別人還以為我看不懂英文
12/03 17:33, 3F

12/03 18:28, , 4F
KOC: 覆蓋一張牌 結束這回合
12/03 18:28, 4F

12/03 18:39, , 5F
爵士總冠軍!
12/03 18:39, 5F

12/03 18:47, , 6F
這篇看數據表就好,前兩個是Boozer,後面一個是Brewer
12/03 18:47, 6F

12/03 20:52, , 7F
不過這個人自己也搞錯了 後面兩個表格都是per 100 Poss.不是
12/03 20:52, 7F

12/03 20:54, , 8F
per 48 mins. 是看每一百個球權不是時間,不然快節奏的比較多防
12/03 20:54, 8F

12/03 20:54, , 9F
守回數.
12/03 20:54, 9F

12/03 21:12, , 10F
個人是覺得這種比法很鳥蛋.......
12/03 21:12, 10F

12/03 21:38, , 11F
嗯 我現在對防守數據都持保留態度 DRtg這種進階的也一樣
12/03 21:38, 11F

12/03 21:40, , 12F
剩下就是全員健康打季後賽了
12/03 21:40, 12F

12/03 22:18, , 13F
蠢品康感覺是傻人有傻服~"~
12/03 22:18, 13F

12/03 23:56, , 14F
如果不是有個更_的Kahn大放送,純品有這種好運嗎
12/03 23:56, 14F

12/04 00:07, , 15F
這種比法好單純 @@ 覺得哪裡不妥 可是也說不上來 XD
12/04 00:07, 15F

12/04 00:33, , 16F
我想這是有一定的意義,而且也跟大家的印象差不多,簡言之,
12/04 00:33, 16F

12/04 00:35, , 17F
Boozer在有得分優勢可以抵消失分,但是很少blow out 對手
12/04 00:35, 17F

12/04 00:38, , 18F
Brewer則是相反,所以他應該是不錯的替補,可惜有點貴
12/04 00:38, 18F

12/04 01:01, , 19F
Brewer在場上通常是隊上對方的超級搖擺人,他又不夠髒,有這
12/04 01:01, 19F

12/04 01:03, , 20F
的數據不意外
12/04 01:03, 20F

12/04 09:02, , 21F
他的比法感覺把很多事情都簡單化了,有點不太公平~
12/04 09:02, 21F

09/11 08:13, , 22F
Brewer在場上通常 https://daxiv.com
09/11 08:13, 22F
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