[新聞] Djo打贏Fed的策略

看板Tennis作者 (kyle)時間10年前 (2015/07/14 15:15), 10年前編輯推噓36(75推 39噓 210→)
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http://tinyurl.com/qftm97l Brain Game: Djokovic's Winning Game Plan Against Federer One more ball. 多打一顆球 That was the foundation on which Novak Djokovic, and coach, Boris Becker, built a masterful game plan to win the Serb’s third Wimbledon title Sunday. 這是Djo和其教練貝克完美的比賽策略的根基 Djokovic defeated Roger Federer 7-6(1), 6-7(10), 6-4, 6-3, primarily by extending rallies, and making Federer bend to his own baseline intentions, much more than the opposite way. Djo打敗老費，主要在於延長對抽次數，同時迫使老費待在底線 There were several moments in time where the match could have swung either way, but the overall body of work was far more controlled by the Serb, and that greatly helped when push came to shove. 或是在某些時候事情不是這樣發展，但大部分時刻比賽都掌握在賽亞人手中 Federer played more baseline points in the final (126) than any other match, averaging 32 per set - six more per set than against Andy Murray in the semi-finals. 費爸打了比任何一場比賽還多的底線。在決賽高達126次，每盤32次：比跟莫瑞打時每盤 足足多了六次 It was exactly the plan that super-coach, Boris Becker, had put into place. 這完全就是超級教練貝克一開始就擬定的計畫 “Obviously we knew that Roger is going to go all power, he is not going to wait, and go for slow baseline rallies,” Becker said post-match. 貝克賽後說：很明顯的我們知道羅傑會用盡全力，他不會等待，然後在底線緩慢對抽 “He started the way he finished with Murray, very aggressive, not giving Novak any time, any rhythm.” 他一開始就用他結束莫瑞比賽的方式，非常的侵略，不給Novak任何喘息和節奏 “There was not much between them in the first two sets, but as the match went on I had a good feeling. I felt that eventually Novak would get hold of Roger’s serve, get him into baseline rallies, take advantage of his younger legs, and that was the difference.” 前兩盤雙方打的難分難解。但隨著比賽的進行，我有了好的預感。我覺得最後Novak 可以擋住羅傑的發球，迫使他返回底線對抽，利用他年輕的腿。而差距就開始出現。 Federer averaged winning 52 per cent of his baseline points going into this year’s final, but that number was hammered down to 40 per cent by Djokovic’s superior baseline arsenal. Ironically, those were the exact same losing numbers for Federer at the 2014 Championships. It was simply a matter of hitting copy / paste 12 months later for the Serb. 在進入決賽前，費德勒可以贏下52%的底線得分，但在Djo無敵的底線能力前，這個數字 掉到了40%。諷刺的是，這個數字跟去年一樣，基本上就是把12個月前的數據複製貼上 While Federer’s groundstrokes had sparkled against Murray, they mainly misfired against Djokovic. 雖然費的抽擊對莫端很有效，卻在對Djo時熄火 In the final, Djokovic won the battle of short rallies of 0-4 shots long 103-94, lost the medium length rallies of 5-9 shots 27-34, and dominated extended rallies of nine shots or more 18-10. Federer didn’t play that many extended rallies in his first three rounds combined. 在0到4拍的對抽，Djo 103:94 勝費。5~9拍的對抽以27:34輸費，但在超過10次的 對抽以18:10大勝。順帶一題，費在前三輪總共加起來都沒有這麼多次超過10拍的 對抽 Djokovic Forehand Djo正手 Djokovic’s forehand was extremely impressive in the final, hitting 17 winners to Federer’s 15, while only committing seven (Federer 17) unforced errors. Djokovic hit it harder and flatter than normal against Federer’s primary baseline weapon. Djo的正手有17個致勝球(相對於費的15個），而僅只有7個失誤（費17個）。Djo的正手 比費的主要底線攻擊武器還要平和用力 “There was no option,” Becker said. “If you don’t hit it you lose anyway. Go through the ball, be aggressive, go head-to-head with Roger, or you are going to lose.” 貝克說：你沒有任何選擇。如果你不用力打，你還是會輸，所以就盡情的去攻擊，跟 羅傑對轟，要不然就等著輸球 “At the French Open he (Novak) played too tentative, he wanted Stan (Wawrinka) to miss the balls, but you are not going to win a Grand Slam final by waiting for the other guy to miss.” 在法網囧打的太小心，他希望小卡自爆，但你沒辦法在大滿貫藉由等其他人自爆而贏球 （迷之聲：去年溫網？） “Novak was ready to go five hours, and I think it showed,” Becker added. Novak早就準備好要打五小時了，我想你們也看見了 Second Serves 二發 The other key battle ground that Djokovic dominated in similar fashion to their 2014 final was second serves. In successive finals, Djokovic’s second serve winning per centage remained a strength, while Federer’s got significantly worse. 跟去年一樣的由Djo稱霸的關鍵戰場是二發。在今年決賽，Djo的二發依然強勢，但費的 二發就變得跟爛 Djokovic won 60 per cent of his second serves in today’s final and 65 per cent last year at SW19 against Federer. The Swiss, seven-time champion had won 66 per cent of his second serve points the past two weeks, but could only muster 49 per cent in the final. Last year, those numbers also massively dropped from 62 per cent to 44 per cent. 今天Djo贏了60%的二發，去年贏了65%。在過去兩個禮拜瑞士人贏了66%的二發，可是面對 Djo只剩下可憐的49%。去年這個數字從62%掉到了44% Becker scouted Federer’s impressive semi-final victory over Murray from the Royal Box on Centre Court, and saw specific areas for Djokovic to attack in the final. 貝克在費德勒大勝莫端的比賽大刺刺的坐在旁邊收集情報。他從費身上看到了一些Djo 可以攻擊的部位 “Wimbledon finals are not won in the semi-final,” Becker knowingly pointed out. 溫網決賽不是由準決賽來贏的 “Roger peaked in the semi-final. He could not have played better, but I have seen Andy Murray play better as well. Of course, you get carried away with the legend, Roger has won it seven times, but I felt if Novak could get hold of the return, get Roger involved in the baseline rallies, just the extra point all the time, eventually he was going to wear him down.” 羅傑在準決賽的表現已經好的不能再更好，但是莫端其實也表現的更好。但我有感覺假 如Djo可以在接球局中撐住，迫使羅傑參與更多底線對抽。就算只是多打幾分，最後 囧會開始把費給消耗掉 Federer Attacking 費的攻擊 Federer served and volleyed on 22 per cent (21/94) of his first serve points, and 25 per cent (11/44) on seconds serves, overall winning a healthy 72 per cent (23/32). He was also solid with net points won, winning 73 per cent (42/58) at the front of the court. But it should have happened even more, as Djokovic was able to get Federer into 126 baseline exchanges, that made Federer’s pathway forward less clear, and blunted his overall aggression. 費在一發有22%的發球上網，二發有25%的發球上網。網前得分率是健康的73%。但這 應該要發生更多次的。因為Djo迫使費進行高達126次的底線對抽，費向前走的路就不明了 What Federer needed was more attacking than normal against Djokovic, but he was not unwavering with the tactic. 費需要的是更多的攻擊來對抗Djo，但他對於這個策略並是堅定不搖的 Overall, Djokovic served magnificently, returned hard and deep, and took advantage of the small windows of opportunity that presented themselves better than Federer. 總體來說，Djo發球很棒，回球很用力很深，同時掌握住那一丁點的優勢而使他比 費更優秀 Djokovic knew Federer was not going to miss on the first couple of shots in a rally, but he a made a point of repeatedly asking the question on the third shot, or the fifth, or the seventh. Djo知道費不會放過前幾拍的對抽，但他讓費不斷地在3、5或7拍面對這個問題 One more ball created one more opportunity to miss, and delivered one more title on the world’s biggest stage. 每多一拍就可以創造更多的機會，同時得到更多的冠軍 很多人都說如果費表現的跟半決賽一樣好就會贏 但這是不可能的。費的武器和弱點早就被對方的教練看透了 費在數據上的表現比去年決賽好多了 可是反而更早輸球 （他自己本人都說他打的並不差，純粹技不如人） 有人說顛峰時期的費來打現在的囧會贏 但事實上他應該會輸的更慘 現在的費比以前更有經驗 懂的如何降低他弱的傷害 技巧也更純熟 以前的費應該是打不贏現在的費的 如果現在的費沒有更強的話 他也不可能維持在世界第二 畢竟其他人也一直在進步 只是世界第一的那個家伙已經幾乎沒有弱點了 唯一能夠打敗他的方法就是硬碰硬 像小卡那樣 而那個傢伙擁有各種的武器對你的弱點發動攻擊 除非能像小卡那樣幾乎沒弱點可以攻（自爆以外） 否則要打敗囧幾乎就是不可能的任務 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 131.215.107.226 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tennis/M.1436858130.A.5FD.html ※ 編輯: kyle5241 (131.215.107.226), 07/14/2015 15:16:38
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07/14 15:19, , 1F
如果你不用力打，你還是會輸，所以就盡情的去攻擊
07/14 15:19, 1F
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07/14 15:20, , 2F
莫再提 Fed純粹是老化腳步變慢反拍不耐抽 跟技術無關...
07/14 15:20, 2F
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07/14 15:26, , 3F
腳步有差阿
07/14 15:26, 3F
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07/14 15:29, , 4F
有一球大斜對角小球 囧口還救到就覺得太猛惹
07/14 15:29, 4F
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07/14 15:33, , 5F
....你有看巔峰時Fed的正拍和反拍嗎...
07/14 15:33, 5F
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07/14 15:34, , 6F
巔峰的費體力上可以多撐好幾盤
07/14 15:34, 6F
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07/14 15:34, , 7F
Fed的經驗增加但體力下滑而減弱了總體戰力…天敵啊！
07/14 15:34, 7F
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07/14 15:34, , 8F
這就是差別
07/14 15:34, 8F
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07/14 15:36, , 9F
所以Fed是輸在先天的體力下滑，但還是贏一堆少年耶！
07/14 15:36, 9F
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07/14 15:38, , 10F
光年輕時的腳步跟發球就有超多的本錢跟囧口對轟
07/14 15:38, 10F
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07/14 15:39, , 11F
想想某年澳網決賽打全攻擊的岡獸 費拔當時還是齁住了
07/14 15:39, 11F
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07/14 15:40, , 12F
看今年的Djo還是比11年退化了不少 只是其他人退化更多
07/14 15:40, 12F
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07/14 15:43, , 13F
對抽一直就是現在就是老費的劣勢啊..
07/14 15:43, 13F
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07/14 15:43, , 14F
只是要能把一堆發球回到老費的腳邊..也只有囧科做到
07/14 15:43, 14F
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07/14 15:47, , 15F
戰術很明確，實務上很難做到...現在有人不知費搶上網嗎
07/14 15:47, 15F
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07/14 15:47, , 16F
對阿 在溫網好像也只有Djo能壓制 像Murray的攻擊性就
07/14 15:47, 16F
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07/14 15:48, , 17F
太低了...不敢攻擊還是會輸 除非Fed狀況真的差過頭
07/14 15:48, 17F
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07/14 15:48, , 18F
以前的費打不贏現在的費???oh my god你沒在看球
07/14 15:48, 18F
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07/14 15:49, , 19F
巔峰的費 除了紅土王Nadal可以在紅土擋一下外 其他場地
07/14 15:49, 19F
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07/14 15:49, , 20F
沒有這種對抽能贏他的說法XD
07/14 15:49, 20F
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07/14 15:52, , 21F
這篇更該注意「0到4拍的對抽，Djo 103:94勝費」這段
07/14 15:52, 21F
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07/14 15:52, , 22F
年輕6歲的囧打贏34歲老將費有什麼好得意的... 先不論巔
07/14 15:52, 22F
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07/14 15:53, , 23F
這是費最該爭取佔上風（發球致勝/1-2 punch/發球上網）
07/14 15:53, 23F
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07/14 15:55, , 24F
也可明顯看出賽況多半落在這一塊，但費偏偏佔不到便宜
07/14 15:55, 24F
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07/14 15:56, , 25F
跑道位跟沒跑道位打出來的球差太多了
07/14 15:56, 25F
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07/14 15:57, , 26F
我認為關鍵也在於Djo真的很能跑，有些費打的球角度已經
07/14 15:57, 26F
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07/14 15:57, , 27F
算很偏，Djo還是能滑步跑到救球，這是其他的選手不太能
07/14 15:57, 27F
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07/14 15:57, , 28F
做到的部分
07/14 15:57, 28F
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07/14 15:58, , 29F
因為這場Djo發球和接發表現都很好啊 尤其雨停後的發球
07/14 15:58, 29F
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07/14 15:58, , 30F
我覺得最關鍵還是在費即使一發有進，也未必能壓住Djo
07/14 15:58, 30F
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07/14 15:58, , 31F
這是Djo進步很多的地方
07/14 15:58, 31F
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07/14 15:58, , 32F
進入對抽階段的球，基本上費有得分都算是撿到了
07/14 15:58, 32F
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07/14 15:59, , 33F
某Low可以出來說說DNO理論
07/14 15:59, 33F
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07/14 15:59, , 34F
而這也是費目前的常態（亦即扣掉茉莉那場）
07/14 15:59, 34F
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07/14 16:11, , 35F
巔峰時期的費會輸得更慘???
07/14 16:11, 35F
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07/14 16:12, , 36F
不同意!!!以前的FEDERER比現在更快!!!
07/14 16:12, 36F
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07/14 16:13, , 37F
現在的費比以前的費強....糟了，是世界奇觀
07/14 16:13, 37F
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07/14 16:15, , 38F
以前的費打不贏現在的費，奇怪的邏輯推理
07/14 16:15, 38F
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07/14 16:17, , 39F
最後面那一段沒有英文，所以是筆者看法嗎？
07/14 16:17, 39F
還有 245 則推文
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07/15 01:16, , 285F
網球是很吃體能的運動 Big4目前就是在比誰體能維持的
07/15 01:16, 285F
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07/15 01:16, , 286F
更好，拉長戰線，誰就會贏 納豆就是今年體能退化太多
07/15 01:16, 286F
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07/15 01:17, , 287F
所以目前掉隊很嚴重 不過這也不意外，畢竟他的傷病史
07/15 01:17, 287F
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07/15 01:17, , 288F
也是Big4中最多的 能撐到現在也不容易了
07/15 01:17, 288F
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07/15 01:19, , 289F
唉 納豆 QQ 希望下半年北美硬地賽季他能拚出好成績!!
07/15 01:19, 289F
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07/15 02:14, , 290F
最後下這個爛結論真的太好笑了
07/15 02:14, 290F
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07/15 02:45, , 291F
現在的費爸>巔峰期的費神??? 真的是活在平行世界裡...
07/15 02:45, 291F
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07/15 02:46, , 292F
不懂就別出來丟人現眼了
07/15 02:46, 292F
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07/15 03:03, , 293F
現在的費就算技巧跟經驗比年輕好 體能差距一樣彌補不了
07/15 03:03, 293F
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07/15 06:30, , 294F
蠻好的
07/15 06:30, 294F
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07/15 10:18, , 295F
為什麼你的翻譯和你的心得對不上 看看自己怎麼翻的吧
07/15 10:18, 295F
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07/15 10:37, , 296F
純噓貝克，爭議一堆的人。
07/15 10:37, 296F
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07/15 10:39, , 297F
最後結論超級好笑，完全平行時空無誤XDD
07/15 10:39, 297F
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07/15 15:25, , 298F
最後的爛結論擺明就是沒看過巔峰費打球的樣子
07/15 15:25, 298F
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07/15 15:26, , 299F
真以為Djo跟巔峰費打只要拉長拍數就可以逼他一堆UE？
07/15 15:26, 299F
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07/15 15:31, , 300F
老費打巔峰費大概也是積極上網搶分 然後被打穿這樣
07/15 15:31, 300F
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07/15 15:33, , 301F
其實就不會有28歲囧打28費的機會 所以巔峰費對上11囧
07/15 15:33, 301F
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07/15 15:35, , 302F
這種張飛打岳飛的事情誰也說不準 但光跑動老費就和巔
07/15 15:35, 302F
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07/15 15:36, , 303F
峰慢一大截了 其他為了應付體能下滑改變的作戰策略除
07/15 15:36, 303F
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07/15 15:36, , 304F
了換大拍以外根本不符合現在網球趨勢 但他還是得這樣
07/15 15:36, 304F
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07/15 15:37, , 305F
打 就知道他現在到底差顛峰期多少了
07/15 15:37, 305F
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07/15 17:07, , 306F
忘了噓你的心得 就算再怎麼喜歡囧口 也不要張飛打岳飛
07/15 17:07, 306F
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07/15 17:07, , 307F
看球球齡4年?
07/15 17:07, 307F
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07/15 17:10, , 308F
最偉大的網球員甚至是最偉大的運動員都可以質疑 不容易
07/15 17:10, 308F
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07/15 17:12, , 309F
新聞打新聞就好 加那些心得是多餘的
07/15 17:12, 309F
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07/15 17:15, , 310F
看到結論讓我覺得浪費時間看這篇
07/15 17:15, 310F
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07/15 17:30, , 311F
原po大概沒打過網球,不知道腳步到位和沒到位的差別
07/15 17:30, 311F
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07/15 17:31, , 312F
納豆的時代，豆迷和費迷爭同年紀誰比較強
07/15 17:31, 312F
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07/15 17:32, , 313F
囧口的時候，囧口迷還在和費迷爭同年誰比較強
07/15 17:32, 313F
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07/15 17:32, , 314F
我覺得這已經說明一些事了啦
07/15 17:32, 314F
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07/15 17:56, , 315F
歷史真的沒有如果 歷史的如果只存在另一個平行時空
07/15 17:56, 315F
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07/15 18:39, , 316F
納豆冏口是同時代的，是要搞啥豆費冏費? 自己補完?
07/15 18:39, 316F
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07/15 21:51, , 317F
以前費納正夯的時候那時認識囧口的人還不多 有陣子還當了
07/15 21:51, 317F
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07/15 21:53, , 318F
不知道多久的萬年老三 還有豆比囧還早兩年左右轉職業
07/15 21:53, 318F
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07/15 21:55, , 319F
雖然一般還是都當他們是同輩的 畢竟年齡相近
07/15 21:55, 319F
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07/16 09:21, , 320F
以前輸更慘?你米高福克斯?
07/16 09:21, 320F
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07/16 11:41, , 321F
推翻譯 但後面真是神邏輯....
07/16 11:41, 321F
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07/16 11:44, , 322F
費因為年紀大體力腳步專注力跟不上 只好靠神技巧稍微補足
07/16 11:44, 322F
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07/16 11:46, , 323F
所以還能維持在big4 卻被解讀成年輕時不如老？
07/16 11:46, 323F
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07/18 15:43, , 324F
看到最後一段很無言
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