[新聞] 大味精對於目前平衡的看法

看板StarCraft作者 (FA(バルシェ應援))時間12年前 (2013/03/15 23:31), 編輯推噓-2(454760)
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原文:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402929 Thud:(原譯者註) Stuck in the train coming back from the Cebit in Hannover, I had the opportunity to speak about balance for 2 hours with David Kim, AKA the big boss of Starcraft 2. Yes sir, he is the one in charge of game balancing, with his team, at Blizzard. Note that David Kim, using the name NoobExplosion (in Korean), is Grand Master in all three races. At the bottom of the league, sure, but still, respect! Grubby was participating in the discussion. I insist that this interview does NOT commit Blizzard Entertainment to anything. Amen. Translator note: The original interview does not specify which server David Kim is GM on. 原作者有幸能跟大維京(掌握暴雪平衡的生殺大權)談論兩個小時的平衡話題。 附帶一提,大維京在遊戲中是用意思為NoobExplosion的韓文為ID,三族都宗師, 但是並沒有說是哪個伺服器。另外獸王瓜比也有一起參與討論。 The game globally balanced, I repeat, the game is globally balanced. The modifications discussed here are minor and will only impact extremely high level of play. The team considers that the game balancing should be rated as a good 9/10. 大味精:再說一次,再說一次,我要再說一次,現在全球很平衡。對於極高端玩家可能 稍微不是這麼如此。我們團對對於現在的平衡來說,滿分10分我們給9分。 Widow Mines: The next nerf The entire development team agrees to say that the Widow Mines are currently too strong. Even Martians were aware of this anyway. Where doubts lingers though, is the the nature of the nerf. David thinks that the players have not yet learned to react efficiently against strategies based around Widow Mines, and does not want to make the unit useless. He is not shocked that a single mine can one shot a Stalker, since the stalker has more range. This is his opinion. The nerf that would make the most sense to him would be to reduce the size of the explosion, without hurting its damage, in order to limit its use against the mineral line or a pack of Zerglings. 寡婦雷:要nerf 整個團隊都認為地雷有點OP,但是大味精認為那是玩家還沒有學會怎麼去防範(L2P OK?) 所以他不想要現在nerf太多,以避免又變成一個沒用的兵種。(感染:找我?)另外,對於 一個寡婦雷能夠炸掉一隻追獵,大味精認為這不會很OP,因為追獵射程比較長阿!目前 nerf有可能會從寡婦雷的濺射範圍下手,幣免農民跟小狗一次死一大票。 Orcales: The eternal dilemma of Grand Masters vs Bronzes To my big surprise, all the statistics indicate that the Oracle deserve a slight buff at high level. According to David, the choice to open Oracle is very engaging for a Protoss gas wise. With this strategy, no fast +2 from the Forge (it is thus less versatile than the Twilight Counsel way) and is often hard to make profitable at high level. Knowing that, buffing the unit would provoke the anger of player from low division, due to the fact that they do not often know how to defend against the various proxy Oracles cheeses. 先知:高端低端玩家之間的困境 令作者非常吃驚的是,高端玩家認為先知需要一點點的buff。根據大維京所述,選擇走 先知的高端玩家們說,先知太耗氣體,神族會因為VC晚下跟氣礦缺乏導致2攻2防太慢, 中期缺乏一個高質量的部隊。但是,如果buff的話,低端玩家會很生氣,所以我們還這 高低端玩家之間煩惱這糾結的問題。 Void Ray: The dark side of the force The team believe that Void Rays are currently slightly too strong. In PvP, all the variations based on VR (sometimes Immortals) have the advantage over compositions based on Colossus. In PvZ, the Void Rays make late game compositions very hard to handle for Zergs, and the VR / HT mixes make minced meat out of Corruptors. But the development team prefers to wait before modifying this unit. 虛空:軍隊的黑暗面 團隊認為虛空有點OP,在PVP當中,走虛空的話,VR線根本被完暴;在PVZ當中如果打到 後期神族轉型虛空的話,蟲族很難去抵擋這種虛空閃電的組合。儘管有點困難,我們暫 時選擇先觀望。 Hellbat: Everything is OK, thank you In the last patch, the team was not sure of the nerf done to the Battle Hellions (now called Hellbats). Every one agreed to say that the Hellbat drops in early games were too strong. But how to nerf the efficiency of the unit without destroying it? Not wanting to weaken the Bioball + Hellbat compositions, the team decided to keep the Medivac's heal but the increase the size they would have inside them. In the end, the unit seems well balanced. 火車人:讚啦,謝謝你9527 在最新的patch當中,我們不確定這樣nerf是否正確。但大家都同意太早的火車人空投 真的很OP。但怎麼有效率的nerf他卻又不毀掉這個兵種?因為我們不想拔掉他的生物屬 性,最後我們選擇增加他們的Size。最後證明:我們的平衡是對的。 Ultralisks: The return of the charge? The removal of the Ultralisk's charge was really a change that brought debates within David's team. Opinions were divided. The problem was the following: seeing the rising of the Terran Mec, there was a need to either, give the ability to Ultralisks to reach the desired targets within the Terran army (Thors, Tanks), or to increase slightly the damage they did to Battle Hellions they met on the way. Unfortunately, the bump made by the charge created mini-bugs, caused by things such as doing a charge while going downhill on a ramp. Also, according to David, the ability was judged too similar to the Stalkers' Blink. These two reasons made Blizzard lean towards the removal of the Charge. But it is still being discussed today. 大牛:埋地衝鋒回不回歸? 大味精的平衡團隊對於埋地衝鋒的存留辯論的很久,目前仍是意見分歧。因為現在人族 醫療艇運用的很好,大牛需要一個能夠快速接近人族部隊的方法。或者讓大牛能在預到 雷神、坦克之前,清掉擋在他們路上的火車人。不幸的是,埋地衝鋒在斜坡的時候會造 成一個破圖的BUG,而且大味精認為埋地衝鋒跟Blink太相像,所以他更頃向不要補回這 個技能。但是這個問題目前仍在討論中。 At the end of the day, David Kim wish to have more transparency regarding the role of the team. All around him is a team of specialists that analyse every tournament and discuss modifications to apply. Each decision is thoroughly made and is never done by one man only. 最後不重要就不翻了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 124.11.128.7

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嘿 怒噓 我覺得Z很弱!!!
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TMD地雷最好不OP
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我不信他有宗師....
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東南亞服宗師
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三族都宗師
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以下開放報名挑戰
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大維京三族都宗師確實有點強耶 有鄉民堵過他的嗎?
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私服宗師啦
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等著看MLG會不會打他的臉
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馬der 一定是暴雪測試服宗師,我才不行美服鑽石一跳就三族宗
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果然是GM
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私服宗師 艮 都不知道現在蟲族有多難玩嗎!
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應該是暴雪內部測試伺服器宗師 人數不到200
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03/15 23:36, , 14F
測試服宗師
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跟鄉民一樣的階級而已阿 鍵盤宗師
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自我感覺良好
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大味精沒腦袋少來秀智商下限
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喔對 整篇沒有提到醫療艇的屁屁噴射
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Z現在有夠難打
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難道以為不提就沒人記得了嗎?
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大牛還是被暴風巴假的
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蟲族表示需要BUFF支援... 人類現在根本各種騷擾
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大家怨念有點深 XD
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abyoyopig:大牛還是被暴風巴假的 XD
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去你的鍵盤宗師大維京
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難得噓FA的文
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坦克支架因為這些顯的沒有那麼op 還有大維京不是白金嗎?
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白金是光頭
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以前他不是美服黃金嗎????
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三族宗師就算是美服也很難達成
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黃金是光頭啦,大維京是鑽石
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.........
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FA挑戰XX!!!!
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是白金啦:(
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智障大維京
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大維京:中低端很平衡 高端L2P
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埋地牛真的還不錯,快給啦 不然都被甩爽的
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埋地衝鋒不是賣萌用的嗎@@?
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YA
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還有 73 則推文
03/16 00:41, , 113F
可憐的光頭
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03/16 00:48, , 114F
現在很平衡,有種一個patch都不要出直到虛空之遺
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淦你老師還我遁地衝鋒
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光頭在這裡常常被砲的莫名其妙.. 其實看得出他很努力 人
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跟以前比起來 明顯消瘦許多
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觀察中
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鍵盤宗師
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Dustin是光頭哥David Kim是大維京 很多鄉民誤認同一人
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03/16 01:24, , 121F
大維京整天說很平橫又說自己是三族宗師 有種去參加GSL阿
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噓回來
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馬的, 整天改來改去的,改了甲 換乙OP,改了乙換丙OP
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就是很多爛設計, 除了酷啥小都沒有
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補推 有沒種跟楊家正單挑
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03/16 01:48, , 127F
這光頭到底有沒有腦阿
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03/16 02:05, , 128F
光頭又中槍了._.
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我就說地雷會改吧...
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地雷因壩成這樣你看不出來? 怒噓!!!
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火車變個形就有生物屬性真的是很詭異..
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騙肖 !!!叫他開直播三族打一下我就信
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人族OP:幹快改!! 神族OP:人族OP那麼久@#%^&*(
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光頭表示無奈..
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蟲族OP: 幹, 新的資料片又要出了吧??
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其實他很討厭蟲族吧
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整個團隊都說OP他是在堅持什麼啦
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他在團隊伺服器宗師, 教大家l2p少跟他說OP
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平衡給沒X的人做真的不太好
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我人族,戰狼生物屬性真的不合理
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就算他機械屬性也不會被廢掉啊,只是攻擊力要BUFF回來
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沒有虛空比大維京兩耳之間的更大的了
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腦袋有洞~一個可以隱形重複傷害的單位可以秒殺貴他兩倍的兵
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種叫做平衡??看一下一代的詭雷好嗎~
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巨大柏奇哥也憤怒啦! 再噓這平衡
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超討厭詭雷,但還是要幫補血._.
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超爛 詭雷便宜操作簡單又隱形還可以對空攻擊力又高 根本
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萬靈丹
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sobig!!
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老是把光頭誤認大維京是哪招
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東南亞宗師不意外
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