Re: [閒聊] Matyas Kuti is a CHEATER!!!

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(翻譯有錯請指正) Kuti是個作弊者!! 我發起這篇文因為我想讓大家知道他是個作弊者! 他所有的世界紀錄都是作弊的, 在2008 Belgian Open也作弊, 我可以用影片證明這一切, 他作弊的方式是 -站著解方塊 -解的時候將方塊靠近身體 -只把眼罩蓋在鼻子上方. 比賽進行中, 裁判員拿紙遮住方塊的時間, 通常只有幾秒而已. 雖然已經遮住, 但是作弊者還可以趁著作弊時的記憶繼續解方塊, 就算遮蔽個10~15秒, 裁判員還是無法知道作弊者只是反覆做著一些基本公式來裝忙. (例如 R U R' U'x4) ok, 我們再回來看Matyas, 最明顯的一次作弊就是他在多顆盲解項目, 在一次解15顆的過程, 他的解法出錯了, 請注意2:35秒~2:55秒的影片 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDsQ7NnhJKU
影片中的他, 在盲解過程中, 發現corner被打亂, 也試著解回來. 當他發現corner被打亂時, 他利用轉動方塊來觀察, 並解回來. 再來看看2008 Belgian Open, 他盲解10顆3x3, 裁判員沒有用紙阻擋在Matyas的頭跟方塊之間, 所以他可以輕而易舉的作弊, 但是, 當他解到第10顆方塊時, 我正好結束了另一個項目的裁判工作, 走到他身邊, 發現他的眼罩是蓋在他鼻子上, 我覺得他有可能作弊, 所以我拿了張紙擋在中間, 有了阻隔物之後, 他的手轉了一個公式, 然後一直停住, 開始思考, 接下來就DNF了. 平常的盲解也一樣, 我拿了張紙擋在中間, 他沒辦法作弊, 也就DNF了. 我的意思不是說他沒辦法在一分鐘內完成盲解, 我只是想說, 他在過程中有作弊, 我知道他有能力在一分鐘內完成盲解, 只是他對不起他自己創下的世界紀錄. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSqbdCYUXw
嗯, 我能說什麼.. 他把眼罩放在鼻子上, 然後稍微往後拉一點, 當Robert(裁判員)把手放在他的眼睛跟方塊中間時, 他就停下來假裝思考, 為了不讓別人發現, 所以他用更多的思考時間來掩飾他作弊的行為. 在Czech Open的4x4盲解? 那一次是他的世界紀錄, 他做了一大堆沒用的轉動, 就像F2後再F2, 或是R U R' 或R U' R'之類的, 用來偷偷觀察R面跟D面的顏色. 嗯, 我不知道該說什麼了.... 如果他作弊, 請把他所有的世界紀錄頭銜刪除(盲解 clock magic 等等的) Milan Baticz : http://speedsolving.com/showthread.php?t=2842 //以下補上原文供高手對照 Matyas Kuti is a CHEATER!!! I started this topic because I want to show everyone that he is a cheater! He cheats all his WRs, he also cheated at Belgian Open(2008). I can prove that with videos. Let's start some tricks, which he use: - standing while solving - holding cube near the body - put blindfold ON nose, and not under nose There are judges who holds the paper between the cubers head and the cube, but hold it only for few seconds, so the solver can do the 1-2 alg which he saw while cheating. Or hold paper fot 10-15 seconds, but they can't recognize that the solver does nodo algs(for example (R U R' U')x4). OK. Let's continue with Matyas. The most seeable cheat was that he made a mistake while solving 15 cubes blindfolded. Watch this vid from 2:35 to 2:55. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDsQ7NnhJKU
You can recognize that he messed up corners, and tryed to solve them again. He stopped for some seconds, when he recognized that he messed up them, and turn cube around, the reason why he get know the moves which solve corners. Or watch videos from Belgian Open 08. He tried to solve 10 cubes blindfolded. The judge was not strick, didn't put the paper between Matyas's head and the cube, so he could easily cheat. But when he was solving his 10th cube, I finished my event, and went there, and recognize that his blindfold on his nose, and maybe he cheats. So I hold the paper to the right place, and he did 1 alg, and then started thinking, and DNFed. He couldn't solve that. Normal blindfolded solve: I holded the paper when he was solving, so he couldn't cheat, and DNFed. I don't want to say that he can't solve the cube blindfolded in 1 minute, I just want to say that he cheated. I KNOW that he can do it. But he cheated his WRs . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSqbdCYUXw
Well, what can I say... he put blindfold on his nose, and then oushed it back up a little. And when Robert(judge) put his arm between his eyes and the cube, he stopped to think, and tryed to keep it secret that he cheated, so he thinked more. 4x4 BLD at Czech Open? That one was WR. He did a bunch of rotations, and did moves like F2 F2 or R U R' think R U' R' to see which colour is on R side or D side. Well, don't know what to say... If he is a cheater please delete all his records, all WRs(BLD records, clock, magic, ...). Milan Baticz -- ◣◢/ ████ ◥◤◥◥◥◤ ◥ ●。＜ ◤ 我喜歡玩方塊 ~ 科科 ◥*▽*◤▄ http://0rz.tw/622Er <爹﹀ ψmaviswang -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.169.143.148
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被他這麼一說好像有一點說服力... 不過... 恩..
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辛苦你翻譯了
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他說話有盲點 RUR'U'四次並不會復原，另外...
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重複F2之類的動作，有可能是思考或著轉錯= = ...
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另一方面 這位裁判他自己會盲解嗎 XD 純屬意見 ==
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另外問一下板上的盲解高手，不可能用轉動方塊恢復角的
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方向嗎@@? 假如是我就要閉嘴了 囧
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Milán Baticz是個很強的cuber
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Official Results BF3x3 1:43 OH3X3:16.75(s) 3x3:10.71
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原來是這樣 失敬了... 囧rz
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他也有一定的地位　也一定知道自己發這篇文章對自己的影響
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但他還是發了這篇文章　可見他對此的懷疑之大
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這是Kuti整個solve都被遮住, 然後DNF的影片
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看來dale也加入求證的行列了XD
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我個人是相信kuti的, 只是把延伸閱讀列入推文中.
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大推dale的貼心!
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我怎看一看之後心裡毛毛的= =...
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沒事用那麼大的眼罩幹麻?
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跟我想的一樣欸 他眼罩貞的好大 而且真的都沒過鼻子..
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4x4 被質疑太多無用轉動的那次
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其實 找鄭咩所有的盲解影片出來 然後 挑幾個DNF的來用
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也是有可能把鄭咩說成這樣 目前為止我覺得證據不足拉
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但是既然國外的能手發表這樣的文章 不難保KUTI受質疑的程度
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以及接下來 所有SLOVE都遮著一張紙....
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樓上是要北上了沒?
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感謝翻譯！辛苦了！
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你是要問我有沒有要去基隆嗎? 我已經在台北拉 寶貝
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他會不會從此不敢盲解阿= = (別揍我...)
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你不是說你禮拜二才回來
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如果他以後沒在盲解　那這樣反而才會被懷疑吧
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我看以後盲解可能要變成背後解了...
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A男嗎 XD
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搞不好KUTI 以後要去幹按摩的了...(賭神二經典台詞)
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星期二 是回中壢 但是聽說要變冷 不想回去中壢
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我沒事跑去只有5度的地方睡覺幹麻?
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喔
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糖果哥的反應好鎮定 XDDDDDDDD
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要是PIKA能跟他一樣鎮定 就好
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PIKA... 好眼熟的ID..
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ES7不錯喔，不過有點夾眼鏡
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沒戴眼鏡長時間下來會比較輸湖 ...
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開箱文拉 MDB
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candyman.rubiks.tw/ES7.wmv
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水 讚 我準備要去幹過來聽
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淦。
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那個正個被遮住的影片，我也覺得可以懷疑........
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我乍看還以為是帶著鴨舌帽在轉...
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※ 編輯: daleleu 來自: 118.169.143.148 (02/12 02:50)
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ES7我覺得滿夾的 = = 戴眼鏡的真的會痛
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不過我沒近視..對了你上次說ESW9要4個零 我們這邊不用
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引用國外cuber的建議 http://0rz.tw/4f3Fk
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ES7感覺需要包個膜比較安心 外出用的話..
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樓樓上　我笑了
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我不敢說kuti作弊，但有也不奇怪，虛名是很迷人的......？
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唉，只是方塊，何必呢。
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盲解看著解 不見的比閉著快阿
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原文的意思應該是不否認kuti的實力, 只是懷疑kuti利用
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作弊的方式來檢查過程是否有解錯, and 解完後是否成功
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同時也質疑之前kuti比賽近乎100%的成功率是因為偷看達成的
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以上只是解釋原文, 並非個人觀點 XD
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恩 不過看那26頁的討論 大家都還是覺得證據不足
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而且 都有透露出 只是方塊 有必要作弊嗎?的感覺
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是啊, 歪國人愛打嘴炮,真相kuti下次出賽之後, 就知道了.
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感覺是忍很久了 才終於說出來 不過證據不足 20萬元交保
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說不定他有初級的透視眼，只是看不清楚....
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↑純粹幻想式假設。但說不定有可能
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其實他有吃惡魔果食！！？
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其實他發動了"凝"...
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哦哦哦 出現了~~~~
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就是她(拍)
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如果真的有作弊的話, A男世界冠軍!!!!
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加油啦!!!
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希望看到kuti出來說明 (￣ー￣；)
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【嘆】
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為什麼有白紙在前面他就要DNF.........
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懷疑如果真的有作弊 WCA要怎麼處置... 像美國禁藥風波一樣?
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那就 鞭數十，驅之別院吧。
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下次看他的比賽就一目了然了。
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久而不去，睨之...見其盲解成功8、9
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