Re: [漁塭] Prospects Chat - Alex Speier

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Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): I've heard a comp of Carlos Delgado for Rafael Devers. So hard to project power... but do you think that is his ceiling? Also, how quickly do the Red Sox feel Moncada could reach the bigs? Thanks. @Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): 我聽到有人將Rafael Devers比為Carlos Delgado, power真的很難預測啊...但你認為Devers的天花板在哪? Alex Speier: His ceiling is middle-of-the-order All-Star, and he has a chance to stay at third, which opens up a different array of comps. I heard comparisons to young versions of Cano, Beltre, and Sandoval. There isn’t that much imagination needed to project his power, though — I saw him demolish some pitches to straightaway CF, in a way that 18-year-olds rarely do. Alex Speier: Devers的天花板是打線核心的全明星球員,而且他有機會待在三壘─這點 讓模板比較更複雜了。我聽到的版本有年輕版的Cano, Beltre, Sandoval。還有有關他的 power預測,其實不需要用太多的想像力補足,Devers已經能把球幹出中外野─這對18歲 球員來說是相當罕見的。 -- CVC (Ohio): Is Marco Hernandez breakout sustainable? and do you think he'll be able to be a regular or mainly just a utility player? CVC (Ohio): Marco Hernandez的爆發能持續嗎?他能成為先發還是只能擔任工具人? Alex Speier: Most likely a utility guy, but he’s a solid defender with the ability to make some hard contact, so there’s at least a chance he could spend time as something more than that at some point in his career. Obviously, the Sox thought it was worth a 40-man spot to see where his 2015 step forward goes. Alex Speier: 比較有可能成為工具人,但是他的防守佳、打擊能打得紮實,所以他至少 有機會獲得更多的上場機會。顯然紅襪認為把他加進40人名單、多加觀察是值得的。 -- Kyle (Columbus): What is your opinion on Wendal Rijo. Was he close to making this list. Does he look like a Regular or a utility player? Kyle (Columbus): 你對Wendal Rijo的評價如何?他偏向先發還是工具人? Alex Speier: Rijo doesn’t have a clean consensus. He has at least a chance to be an everyday guy, because the hit tool is very advanced for a teenager and he showed considerable defensive improvement this year at 2B. He doesn’t seem to profile as a utility option, however, since he’s probably limited in the IF to 2B. He’ll represent an interesting 40-man protection question after this coming season. Alex Speier: 球探們對Rijo的評價依然不一。他還有機會成為每日先發,因為他擁有超 齡的hit tool、二壘的防守也有大幅進步。 但是Rijo並不符合工具人的要件,他應該只能守內野或二壘。他在下季結束後能不能進 入40人名單將是觀察重點。 -- Randall (Salem): What do we think the power upside on Benintendi is? Would you venture a comp? Randall (Salem): Benintendi的power天花板在哪?模板? Alex Speier: He hit 31 homers in about 110 games in college and the minors this year, so … the ultimate power upside has to be viewed as impressive, even if a more reasonable expectation would be about half that figure. Some of the comps brought up by scouts/evaluators: Mark Kotsay, LH version of Mookie Betts (small in stature but with great approach and ability to barrel the ball), Ellsbury, among others. Alex Speier: 他在大學和小聯盟的110場比賽就打出31支全壘打,所以最高的天花板... 很棒─合理推估可能落在一半。有些球探的比較是Mark Kotsay、左打版Mookie Betts (身材矮但打擊策略優異、能紮實咬中球)、Ellsbury等等。 -- Ben (Rhode Island): I know it's tough to predict but who does Anderson Espinoza remind you of in today's game? And what do you see his ceiling being? Ben (Rhode Island): 我知道很難預測,但是Anderson Espinoza像哪位投手?他的天花 板在哪? Alex Speier: His slight stature, smooth delivery, incredible power stuff, and maturity/makeup prompted a lot of people to say that he reminded them of a teenage Pedro, including Goose Gregson, the Red Sox’ Latin American pitching coordinator who worked with a 16-/17-year-old Pedro with the Dodgers. Pedro said the same. He has the makings of three plus pitches, so there’s legitimate ace potential. That’s far from a guarantee (see Bundy, Dylan), but he’s ridiculously talented at a ridiculously young age. Alex Speier: 身材稍偏矮瘦、投球機制順暢、驚人的球速並擁有成熟度和不錯的makeup ,讓許多人聲稱看到年輕版Pedro(包含在Pedro年輕時合作過的訓練員)、甚至是Pedro 本人都這麼說。Espinosa有三個plus球種,所以這代表著ace潛力。當然這不能保證他確 實能成為ace(看看Dylan Bundy),但是Espinosa這麼年輕就擁有這種天分,誇張。 -- Raymond (New York): Hi Alex, what do you think of the cost for Kimbrel ? I think the Red Sox did quite well as they kept a lot of their better prospects and didn't lose any high draftees.(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech,Bradley) thanks Raymond (New York): 您覺得Kimbrel交易案的代價如何?我覺得紅襪做得很好,他們留 下很多更棒的新秀,也沒丟掉高順位選進來的人(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech, Bradley)。 Alex Speier: They preserved their complete inventory of major league cornerstone players (Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez) and their top four prospects. I’m still at least a bit surprised that three prospects of that caliber ended up getting moved (Guerra and Margot along with Asuaje wouldn’t have done it?), but I also think that the way the market values relievers is in a state of flux that requires everyone to reassess their preconceptions … in the same way that we need to stop expressing shock that “OMG, how is worth $20 million a year?” To get an elite starter along with two elite relievers while giving up two excellent prospects who happened to be at redundant positions and keeping the draft pick … the larger picture seems reasonable for what the Sox have done this offseason. Alex Speier: 紅襪保留了所有大聯盟基石(Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez)以及 四大新秀。我多少還是對於三個這種層級的新秀被賣掉感到驚訝,但我認為市場對於牛棚 投手的價值衡量已經改變了,大家必須跟著改變舊思維─就像是我們必須停止屏除「挖, $20M欸,好貴」這種思維。為了抓下王牌先發和兩個優質牛棚,賣掉位置重複的兩位頂級 新秀並留下選秀權...通盤思考,紅襪的move似乎合情合理。 -- JJ O'Connor (Mass): Where would Manuel Margot rank on this list? And is it true he wasn't as valued by Red Sox officials as most in the outside thought? JJ O'Connor (Mass): Manuel Margot排在哪?他在紅襪眼中是否沒外界估的那麼高? Alex Speier: He was valued plenty … but the Sox have Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, not to mention Basabe. The industry consensus on him, both inside and outside the Sox organization, came across as very consistent: Excellent likelihood of being a roughly average everyday CF who hits in the bottom third of the order. Alex Speier: 他的評價很高,但是紅襪手上已經有Betts, Bradley, Benintendi,還有 是Basabe。球團內外的評價都很類似,很高的機會能成為平均等級的先發CF、打線中的 最後三棒。 -- Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): There seems to be a drop off after the top 6/7. Anyone on the lower levels of the system that could make a big leap? Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): 感覺第6,7名跟後面的新秀有很大的落差。後面有哪位新 秀能爆發? Alex Speier: I do agree that there’s a pretty significant drop beyond the top seven — not a lot of guys beyond that who combine high probability with high ceiling, but that’s the nature of the beast. It was, frankly, ridiculous that the Sox had as deep a pool of high-end prospects as they did prior to the Kimbrel trade. Alex Speier: 我同意Top 7跟後面有不小差距,農場裡高成功率與高天花板兼具的球員 畢竟是少數,但是在Kimbrel交易案前紅襪農場中的高級新秀深度只能用誇張來形容。 -- Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): Red Sox first baseman of the future, Travis Shaw or Sam Travis? Which player has the better all around skills? Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): 紅襪未來一壘手,Travis Shaw or Sam Travis?哪一位 選手較為全面? Alex Speier: Good question. Travis has a better hit tool. Shaw has more present power and is a better defender. He’s also lefthanded, which helps. Somehow, I see the Sox gerrymandering playing time for both for a number of years. Alex Speier: 好問題。Travis有比較優的hit tool,Shaw展現出更多power,防守也比較 好─而且是左打,這點有不小幫助。我的感覺是紅襪有幾年會給兩個人分享上場時間。 -- Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): How do scouts grade Espinoza's secondary pitches? Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): 球探對Espinosa的變化球評價? Alex Speier: The changeup and curve were both viewed as being at least average now, albeit without the consistency one would seek out of a major leaguer. But Espinoza has super-long fingers that let him perform some feats of prestidigitation when it comes to manipulating and spinning a baseball. Alex Speier: changeup和curve至少都是average,但還缺乏大聯盟球員的穩定性。 題外話,Espinosa擁有超長的手指,這給他操控球種的優勢。 -- Athletic frame. High baseball IQ. Xander Smooth, fluid swing. Bogaerts Elite batspeed. #01 Strong and explosive hands. Above-average-to-better power ceiling, potential 30 home run bat. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.79.163.76 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/RedSox/M.1450798853.A.49E.html

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Manuel Margot如果只能長成後三棒,那趁現在賣是對的
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有看有推。哇嗚,年輕版神右,有沒這麼high 啊
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推!
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每次看這種都覺得很熱血
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每次看到有小Pedro之類的都有無限想像空間
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Benintendi模板竟然是Kotsay,整個對他從超期待到冷一半
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這篇是過度捧嗎? 很擔心這麼看好是為了賣相
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12/23 09:49, , 10F
選秀時就有說可能是power比較好的Jon Jay啦
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12/23 09:51, , 11F
這篇還不到過度捧 至少一般鄉民版球探報告都差不多
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這樣
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蠻喜歡benintendi 不過他好像沒上場空間了
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Kotsay 不差了 是可以打到15發,ops110的有手套外野
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Mark Kotsay生涯才三個球季OPS+110以上,同時拿
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Kotsay,M. Betts跟Ellsbury來比較,Kotsay跟他們根本不
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同等級,Benintendi是有可能只變成Kotsay這Level,但天
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花板絕不是Kotsay
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覺得比較像腳程更快的NIXON
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抱歉收回 這樣太強了
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模板不是天花板。Ellsbury跟Kotsay怎樣不同級?
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長成Kotsay很不錯了,可以在大聯盟先發6個球季的新秀已
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經非常成功
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Margot本來就是個四號外野,可能有兩三個先發不錯的球季
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,要在大聯盟每天先發是很了不起的
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Speier是不是低估了Benin
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去看看Betts跟Kotsay在高階打怎樣先
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看完再想想在A打3/4/5的Benin拿他們當模板有沒有道理
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Kotsay很棒,跟Betts比我還不敢說,不過肯定和Ells不
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是ㄧ個等級
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洋基再凱也不會給Kotsayㄧ年2000up的大約
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不過如果只比power這三人的確是同等級。。
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M. Betts>J. Ellsbury>M. Kotsay
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差了十年比價錢是什麼概念啊?2004年洋基也不會給David
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Price 30M
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M. Margot是4th OF,是指天花板,模板還地板?
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4th OF,怎能當金寶交易案主菜
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你是真的知道Kotsay是誰還是看BR在說故事?
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還有 106 則推文
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要你學會對事不對人大概是不可能的,但是Margot+Guerra
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跟其他你本人也堅持不是雜魚的去換頂級CL,那麼他講的MM
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換後段輪值並沒錯呀
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至於講一大堆Magort怎樣,為什麼不去翻翻你認為不如Ells
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的Kotsay在minor的數字呢?
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如果在2A打3/4/5的Kotsay如此不堪,那.27/.32/.42的MM
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可以一片光明又是什麼理由呢?怎麼看下來都只是你對他太
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有愛而已
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一般認為Elite CL價值等同3號不是嗎? 怎會是後段?
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更何況近期GM對CL的價值評估似乎是提高了,即使
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Margot+Guerra換CL 二換一,但除非開始皺掉的新秀,
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否則Top 30左右的新秀單換一個後段輪值我印象中是
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沒有
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Kotsay的部分我認同啊,前面推文就承認我並不了解這
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老球員過去的背景,承認低估了他
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小聯盟三圍本來就參考用的不是嗎? 你斷言Margot
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PS+90的依據在哪? 單純因為他今年三圍?
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Elite CL價值是3號,然後Margot單換換不到啊-_-到底有沒
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沒有在看別人寫什麼啊?誰又斷言MM打90了?
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MM就是加了一堆你自己認為很威的新秀才換得到等同三號的
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CL,啊說MM單換後段有很突兀嗎?
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要這樣挑著看,我無話可說
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挑著看什麼?你要硬把我沒說過的話塞過來然後怪我不回應
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跟你這貨認真真的浪費生命
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XDD
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你也不過是拿只小聯盟數據來評估的傢伙
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只拿
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12/25 14:23, , 173F
講得好像自己除了數據還懂得什麼一樣XD
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那篇除了你最愛的百大排名之外什麼數據都沒有啊BP專家哥
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12/25 14:51, , 175F
"拿小聯盟數據預估大聯盟表現不可靠"這不是基本常識
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跟你看法不一就是錯的?一再拿這種不可靠的方法來說嘴
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是?
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互酸攻擊已失去討論本意,過去我在這跟其他版友吵干擾
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到別人,我不再讓版主難做人,你要堅持己見是你的自由,
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我不再回覆
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大哥,你不要拿你寫信問我時我跟你講的東西跑來強調好嗎
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更正第一行 這不是基本常識?
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到底是誰拿小聯盟數據來預測啊?腦補惱羞還有什麼賴皮招
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呀?
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斷章取義好猛
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