[外電] B.J. Upton Now Differently Confounding

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※ [本文轉錄自 MLB 看板 #1GJ_Yf8e ] 作者: JakeMcGee (Jake McGee) 看板: MLB 標題: [外電] B.J. Upton Now Differently Confounding 時間: Wed Sep 12 10:51:16 2012 B.J. Upton Now Differently Confounding http://ppt.cc/WpRN by Jeff Sullivan - September 10, 2012 Things to know before we proceed with this article about B.J. Upton: 關於B.J Upton 有些事情在閱讀下列文章前要了解: (1) B.J. Upton is set to become a free agent after the end of this season, and he is newly 28 years old. (1)B.J今年球季結束後將成為FA 他今年28歲 (2) Yesterday, in the last game of a series between the Rays and the Rangers, B.J. Upton slugged three home runs. They were his 19th, 20th, and 21st home runs of the year. (2) 在光芒跟條子系列賽的最後一場 B.J 單場擊出三響炮(19,20,21) I was tricking you before — this article about B.J. Upton began with the word "Things". Now let us move on to the rest of it! Upton is no stranger to transaction talk, and it's something of a minor miracle that he's still with the Rays considering how often he's been in the middle of trade rumors. Now people get to talk about him as a potential free-agent acquisition, and as a potential free-agent acquisition, Upton is as confusing as he's ever been. I mean, on the one hand, I guess he isn't confusing at all. He remains an everyday center fielder who is more than capable of handling the position. Here are Upton's wRC+ figures for the last three seasons: B.J轉隊的消息一直沒有少過 但是都沒有被光芒交易出去 看看近三年的wRC+ 2010: 113 wRC+ 2011: 115 2012: 113 [註]wRC+是根據wOBA來算出 再加上調整球場等 聯盟平均是100 I bet I can guess how projection systems are going to view Upton going forward. But remember that Upton was the second overall pick in 2002, and remember that he's always seemed capable of more than he's done. Upton, like his brother, is blessed with more tools than you can keep in one shed, but he only very seldom puts them all to proper use. Additionally, below the surface, there have been changes, and it's those changes that I'm here to talk about. 我打賭我大概可以猜出預測系統對於B.J未來的表現 但請記得他是2002選秀探花 而且他似乎可以做出超過他目前所能做到的表現 B.J就像他的弟弟(Justin)擁有一身非常好的天份 但B.J目前卻沒完全展露出來 他目前有些改變 而這些改變將是我接下來談的 I think the easiest way to lay this out is like so: five years ago, Upton finished with 93 unintentional walks and 134 strikeouts. That's a whole lot of patience, from a very young player. So far this season, Upton has 39 unintentional walks and 144 strikeouts. Forget about the different sample sizes and just focus on the ratios. Clearly, B.J. Upton has changed as a hitter. And the evidence suggests that he isn't done changing. 我覺得最簡單去瞭解的方法是看過去 五年前 Upton球季成績是 93BB(未含IBB) 134K 在年輕選手中 他是非常有耐心的 今年他只有39BB(未含IBB) 但是有144K 忘記那不同的樣本大小 我們來看看比率 明顯的Upton改變了 而且就目前觀察還再持續改變 Here is a very terrible graphic I whipped up to compare B.J. Upton to Bobby Abreu. I selected Upton because this article is about Upton. I selected Abreu because he was the first guy who came to mind when I thought about a consistent veteran. I put part of Abreu's name in parentheses because he seems old enough to just go by Bob now. We look at three different plate-discipline statistics: 下列是個滿可怕的圖表 是用Upton跟Abreu來相比 會用Abreu是因為他是位非常穩定的老經驗打者 我們來看看三種不同的數據(本壘板紀律XD) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/uptonabreu.png
I warned you before that this was terrible. Upton's overall swing rate is on the rise, his first-pitch swing rate is on the rise, and his contact rate is going down. Bobby Abreu has been Bobby Abreu. The once selective Upton has become more and more aggressive, and still it continues. 嗯 看起來相當可怕 Upton的揮棒率持續升高 揮第一球的比率也升高 然後contact持續下降 Abreu看起來還是Abreu 看起來Upton的攻擊慾望持續攀高 而且好像還沒有停喔 Through August 10 of this season, Upton owned a .676 OPS. The free-agent-to-be wasn't doing anything to boost his value, and then on August 11, Upton hit two home runs. Upton hit three home runs yesterday, on September 10. FanGraphs leaderboards have a very handy “Last 30 Days” option in the pull-down menu for splits, and the last 30 days capture both August 11 and September 10. Upton has been streaking. Over the last 30 days, Upton has posted the fourth-highest wRC+ in baseball, at 193. He's right in between Adrian Beltre and Miguel Cabrera, and that tends to be good company as offensive statistics are concerned. Yet at the same time, over the last 30 days, Upton has posted the very lowest contact rate in baseball, at 57 percent. The next-lowest belongs to Chris Carter, at 63 percent. Upton's hottest stretch at the plate by one statistic coincides with his coldest stretch at the plate by another. Not that contact rate is even close to being as important as wRC+, but this is weird. Upton has hit the crap out of the ball. At the same time he's posted a lower contact rate than Aroldis Chapman has allowed. 在8/10以前 Upton只有.676的OPS 這對即將成為FA爭取下份合約的他 毫無幫助 然後8/11 他單場扛出兩發HR 接著9/10單場三響炮 在FanGraphs leaderboards的最近30天裡(8/11-9/10) Upton成績狂奔 近30天 他的wRC+是193 就在Adrian Beltre跟Miguel Cabrera之間 但在這30天 Upton的Contact下降到57% 在這之上的是Chris Carter的63% contact跟wRC+的關係算是密切 但這麼低的Contact卻有這麼高的wRC+ 滿奇特的 As the Rays have scrambled back into the playoff race, Upton has done a lot to boost his value as a free agent, but even his value boost carries a major red flag. He's hit, and he's hit for power, but how much of that can continue if he keeps on swinging and missing? What is the story behind all of the swings and misses? 正當光芒在進軍季後賽的路程中 Upton的火力讓他的價值暴升(尤其是FA) 但他的表現事實上舉了紅旗 他打出了很多的HR 但他可以持續這樣的表現? 尤其是在他持續降低的contact Let's break Upton's 2012 season down, splitting after August 10. A table: 我將Upton的成績以8/10做為分界點 Split O-Swing% Z-Swing% Swing% Contact% 1st% OPS Through 8/10 29% 71% 50% 73% 44% 0.676 Since 8/11 35% 73% 53% 57% 52% 1.050 I can't stop staring at the recent contact rate. It is such a low contact rate. That is three whiffs for every seven swings. But one can't ignore the far right column, and one can't ignore that the numbers in the far right column correspond with increased aggressiveness in the other columns. Upton's swung at more balls, more strikes, more first pitches — more everything, and when he's hit the ball, he's pummeled the ball. He's hit the ball some. 我無法不去注意那Contact% 幾乎是揮7次就會有3次揮空!!! 但是卻也無法忽視那漂亮的OPS 他揮多更積極 但是球也飛的越遠 Right now, what's important isn't B.J. Upton's free agency. Upton and the Rays are trying to get to the playoffs, and lately Upton has done a lot more helping than hurting. Over 28 games over those last 30 days, he’s hit 11 home runs and also stolen eight bases for good measure. But what matters for Upton's free agency is also what matters right now. And that's the question of: how good is B.J. Upton going to be? He's a tricky one to pin down. Some numbers suggest that right now he's locked in, and some numbers suggest the very opposite. Some numbers suggest that Upton is beginning to really tap into his abundant potential, and some numbers suggest that he's going to get exposed once pitchers figure out what he's doing. 現在最重要的不是Upton是不是FA Upton跟光芒正在為季後賽奮戰 近30天的28場比賽他擊出11發HR外加8次盜壘 問題是Upton到底能有多好? 各種數據指出不同的面相 有的好 有的壞 For the final month or so, the Rays will have a player who is very good, very frustrating, or somewhere in between. It'll probably be the same story for Upton after this last stretch is over and he finds a new home. I don't know what Upton's numbers are going to look like between now and the end of the year, but for a month he's seemingly been all-or-nothing to an extreme degree. B.J. Upton's hot streak has undeniably been a hot streak, but it's been a hot streak far different from most. 在球季的最後一個月 光芒將會有一個很強,很掙扎或是在兩者其中的打者(Upton) 這種表現也會出現在球季後 或許在換個新家後 我完全無法預測Upton未來的成績 他現在很燙 但這跟一般進入暴衝期的打者完全不同 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 1.171.112.236

09/12 10:52, , 1F
先猜75M/5Y
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09/12 10:53, , 2F
要來談論Crawford的case嗎
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09/12 10:55, , 3F
Uptonz的reputation太差了 三四年40M上下就差不多了
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09/12 10:56, , 4F
如果Tampa 的 payroll 也有 125~150M or above
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09/12 10:56, , 5F
我記得前幾年還有人說他跟當時的Melky Cabrera同級
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09/12 10:56, , 6F
然後能留下這幾個core,未來幾年真的很難動搖這隊的地位
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09/12 10:57, , 7F
還是SI上的文章 不是嘴砲酸民
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09/12 10:58, , 8F
光芒應該是不會續簽才對
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09/12 10:59, , 9F
感覺蠻像A.Soriano的窮人版
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09/12 10:59, , 10F
TB誇張的是投手 整個輪值都農場出來的
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09/12 11:00, , 11F
.....一堆不對框HR的意思
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09/12 11:01, , 12F
光芒出品 還有誰敢賭嗎?
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09/12 11:02, , 13F
原來他才28阿~
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09/12 11:12, , 14F
光芒留不下他
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09/12 11:13, , 15F
因為光芒沒錢 而且還有建寧在等中外野的位子
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09/12 11:29, , 16F
正常價一年10M左右 不過有些GM是會花克勞佛或沃斯等級的約
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09/12 11:29, , 17F
給他吧~ 10M我都覺得貴了="=
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09/12 11:31, , 18F
他成績跟誇佛或Werth又不能比 reputation也差
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09/12 11:31, , 19F
不會有人給他肥約的
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09/12 11:38, , 20F
今年外野FA有什麼好貨嗎?
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09/12 11:39, , 21F
如果今年是TB 金鳥 NYY 3搶2個季後賽席次就好玩了
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09/12 11:39, , 22F
10-12M/year可能就很不錯了....
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09/12 11:40, , 23F
光芒休息區唯一要留下來的只有西瓜
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09/12 11:42, , 24F
Michael Bourn, Cody Ross, B.J. Upton, Shane Victorino
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09/12 11:42, , 25F
推樓上~還有Longoria+Zoby
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09/12 11:42, , 26F
10M感覺很少 這年頭隨便一個叫得出名字的大概都10M了...XD
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09/12 11:42, , 27F
他今年在低點...我是很想叫我家GM Amaro簽下來
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09/12 11:42, , 28F
但TB應該沒本錢也沒意願留他吧...
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09/12 11:42, , 29F
Josh Hamilton, Nick Swisher 等
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09/12 11:44, , 30F
每次看他打擊都覺得很奇怪, 怎麼可以揮空率這麼高
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09/12 11:45, , 31F
每次跟Pena排在一起的時候 對手應該都很涼 XD
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09/12 11:45, , 32F
但是他的身材實在不像是這麼瞎的砲哥阿~..
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09/12 11:48, , 33F
前半季對BJ的打擊不期不待...Pena我至少還能等BB或HR
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09/12 12:02, , 34F
08季後賽把紅襪打爆 ><
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09/12 12:02, , 35F
光芒這個也不留,那個也不留,難怪球迷培養不起來
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09/12 12:04, , 36F
老闆:不進場看球 那我哪來的錢留住球星 ( ̄□ ̄|||)a...
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09/12 12:09, , 37F
寧願光芒把錢留下來往後處理龍哥的約
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09/12 12:11, , 38F
每個城市市場大小本來就不一樣
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09/12 12:12, , 39F
球迷又不是像玩三國志一樣 一直徵兵就會長出來
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09/12 12:12, , 40F
龍哥的約從14年開始連三年的Team option 而且他這兩年好痛..
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09/12 12:13, , 41F
事實上光芒戰機開始成長後 上座人數是一直在成長的...
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09/12 12:13, , 42F
放走 CC 後 馬上跌回去魔鬼魚時期...
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09/12 12:17, , 43F
他明年才28不要5年約應該很多隊會買單
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09/12 12:18, , 44F
就沒錢...
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09/12 12:19, , 45F
光芒是票房探底, 沒什麼多餘的錢留人好嗎==
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09/12 12:20, , 46F
而且就重要性而言留龍哥絕對是當務之急
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09/12 12:21, , 47F
就算再痛我覺得打線還是不能沒有他...
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09/12 12:24, , 48F
不管誰簽走 變爛約的可能性很高...
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09/12 12:25, , 49F
球場才是毒瘤 老闆有想花錢 但他想搬離聖彼得市
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09/12 12:26, , 50F
他的起伏很大...
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09/12 12:27, , 51F
Upton很謎啊 當年的選球耐心完全消失
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09/12 12:44, , 52F
想當年以為他上mlb能守SS
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09/12 12:52, , 53F
光芒母球團其實不窮 只是因為球場偏僻加上球迷不願進場....
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09/12 12:58, , 54F
照他這樣經營法,當然沒有球迷呀
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09/12 13:10, , 55F
longoria目前是光芒的臉吧? 打線沒他差蠻多的...
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09/12 13:11, , 56F
其實沒有理由要放他走 球迷也很愛他
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09/12 13:21, , 57F
Upton轟出去的感覺很順很舒服~~跟揮空一樣舒服
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09/12 13:25, , 58F
光芒這玩法真的蠻猛的
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09/12 13:59, , 59F
感覺就是誰簽誰倒楣,囧
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09/12 14:04, , 60F
TB這城市依稀記得是60萬的人口,大部分都是養老的人
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09/12 14:05, , 61F
打錯,是聖彼得市,一場能有兩萬人進場真的算很厲害了
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09/12 14:09, , 62F
這比例很高了...你看那個...算了說了難過
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09/12 14:26, , 63F
佛州棒球似乎不算是主流的大眾運動
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09/12 14:27, , 64F
所以進場人數都不太多
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09/12 14:27, , 65F
球場也不是說搬就搬, 主要還是馬大魚搶先進駐邁阿密,
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09/12 14:28, , 66F
結果今年還是擺爛...
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09/12 14:29, , 67F
佛羅里達主要還是瘋美足啦, 聽前輩說10支大學頂尖隊伍有
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09/12 14:30, , 68F
四支在此... 但聖彼得堡遠離塵囂才是票房差的主因...
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09/12 14:31, , 69F
留不住大牌有影響但不是主因, CC穿紅襪後票房有跌但也不
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09/12 14:32, , 70F
多, 因為原本就沒有多少... 希望TB趕快搬離那個鬼地方==
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09/12 14:32, , 71F
剛剛前面筆誤是聖彼得市
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09/12 17:08, , 72F
有腿有手套的威力魔
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09/12 17:12, , 73F
9M to 12M的約 勉強可以簽得到
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09/12 19:13, , 74F
15M跑不掉...他絕對是今年FA最好的CF
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09/12 19:14, , 75F
Michael Bourn比他老一歲 生涯平均OPS又比他低
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09/12 19:15, , 76F
推一樓的75M/5Y
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09/12 19:22, , 77F
15M也太多了吧@@
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09/12 20:01, , 78F
BJ 一直都沒有醒過來 要是醒了價值絕對超過15M
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09/12 20:02, , 79F
而且他守備有時候會心不在焉 不然的話他算是向後跑很快的
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09/12 22:26, , 80F
15M太多+1 OPS+105 WAR平均2.5 12M差不多吧 15M簽下去難保
09/12 22:26, 80F

09/12 22:27, , 81F
Crawford的狀況重演
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09/13 02:38, , 82F
這篇是光芒出的報告吧,批評讓他下跌,再趁亂簽下
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09/13 09:30, , 83F
他今天又轟了...
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※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: JakeMcGee (114.25.233.44), 時間: 09/13/2012 15:42:40

09/13 15:43, , 84F
忘記轉回隊板XD
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09/13 16:00, , 85F
不知道會不會留...
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09/13 20:06, , 86F
不太會留 Jennings移防CF CP值更高 LF可以嘗試放砲..
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09/13 20:07, , 87F
並且BJ期待很久 目前看來固定的輸出就差不多如此
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09/13 20:08, , 88F
另外一直使用仲裁的方法 也代表球團對他看重度還好
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09/13 20:08, , 89F
是重要核心的成員就會想辦法延長合約 不過一直沒動靜
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09/13 20:08, , 90F
可行的話,希望BJ能替光芒賺到選秀權就更好了
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09/13 23:00, , 91F
雖然是BJ讓我開始支持光芒,不過也覺得他不會留~~@@
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09/13 23:03, , 92F
100%不會留.....
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09/13 23:03, , 93F
我會永遠記得08年冠軍戰BJ跟龍哥聯手狂轟濫炸襪子的
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