Re: [問題] random 的不隨機

看板Python作者 (思辨成魔)時間7年前 (2016/11/09 00:55), 編輯推噓9(9015)
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做十次 文件1 相隔連號?差幾個位連號?(差不多同一豪秒取樣) 以下 [14, 16, 40, 1, 17, 5, 24, 30, 35, 12, 9, 36, 11, 9, 18, 16, 16, 39, 22, 44, 27, 22, 35, 0, 10, 25, 7, 17, 6, 4, 15, 24, 20, 29, 16, 38, 30, 24, 49, 44, 46, 30, 16, 29, 28, 0, 30, 29, 6, 46, 49, 31, 48, 6, 18, 45, 15, 4, 29, 15, 47, 19, 44, 7, 11, 32, 6, 48, 42, 25, 45, 9, 41, 46, 6, 3, 51, 51, 8, 11, 39, 5, 30, 49, 5, 47, 41, 37, 49, 23, 22, 14, 24, 11, 41, 30, 30, 34, 49, 18] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 16 30 29出現過多 且有多組連號 [40, 15, 39, 28, 48, 13, 45, 38, 27, 4, 3, 32, 23, 25, 47, 45, 32, 14, 5, 47, 33, 22, 10, 47, 46, 26, 19, 46, 1, 1, 48, 40, 10, 14, 48, 24, 36, 33, 33, 11, 27, 40, 22, 11, 5, 35, 23, 10, 32, 21, 26, 30, 7, 8, 28, 44, 43, 11, 0, 19, 9, 25, 5, 5, 8, 50, 21, 29, 44, 16, 49, 3, 34, 48, 49, 25, 42, 48, 12, 6, 31, 44, 10, 51, 35, 50, 34, 3, 4, 6, 27, 16, 34, 3, 47, 27, 0, 3, 12, 31] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 3 10 33 34出現過多 且有多組連號 [28, 39, 42, 23, 22, 49, 28, 50, 9, 17, 40, 5, 6, 18, 16, 46, 36, 9, 43, 9, 34, 49, 41, 8, 17, 23, 5, 10, 22, 46, 44, 38, 38, 25, 38, 44, 43, 18, 37, 45, 9, 6, 27, 41, 16, 14, 45, 50, 35, 7, 12, 3, 7, 51, 45, 20, 16, 25, 12, 42, 49, 0, 39, 29, 47, 18, 30, 11, 1, 39, 0, 35, 3, 43, 8, 1, 41, 2, 37, 46, 25, 12, 16, 21, 26, 46, 9, 3, 47, 24, 13, 4, 15, 40, 35, 8, 5, 0, 27, 4] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 38 9出現過多 且有多組連號 [22, 11, 10, 27, 2, 6, 32, 9, 9, 48, 27, 49, 7, 50, 9, 49, 31, 32, 44, 11, 16, 26, 37, 27, 2, 11, 51, 34, 4, 26, 10, 40, 42, 3, 26, 15, 31, 7, 23, 18, 27, 15, 9, 41, 15, 40, 37, 18, 7, 9, 25, 12, 32, 51, 24, 20, 21, 31, 46, 1, 44, 29, 41, 0, 24, 19, 46, 13, 10, 8, 3, 18, 11, 18, 9, 34, 5, 13, 19, 51, 10, 10, 15, 43, 26, 23, 49, 43, 9, 8, 32, 2, 36, 0, 11, 30, 1, 22, 20, 51] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 9 10出現過多 且有多組連號 [30, 44, 14, 45, 39, 32, 44, 51, 33, 18, 33, 19, 15, 26, 40, 9, 21, 15, 18, 30, 20, 39, 45, 18, 36, 42, 42, 29, 47, 2, 3, 10, 22, 28, 6, 5, 29, 44, 14, 31, 2, 33, 1, 11, 42, 2, 0, 0, 48, 27, 40, 48, 26, 47, 16, 49, 8, 11, 47, 48, 48, 32, 21, 27, 39, 19, 43, 10, 34, 23, 43, 34, 31, 48, 32, 5, 5, 3, 32, 6, 28, 4, 14, 3, 48, 37, 38, 16, 11, 44, 39, 14, 31, 38, 29, 24, 16, 36, 12, 42] [22, 1, 14, 49, 25, 8, 41, 16, 26, 37, 26, 26, 31, 21, 22, 1, 44, 11, 41, 16, 9, 0, 50, 31, 42, 44, 24, 29, 39, 31, 27, 51, 15, 20, 47, 26, 30, 11, 33, 16, 16, 2, 47, 12, 45, 4, 12, 40, 34, 28, 50, 41, 27, 28, 46, 10, 25, 40, 13, 38, 15, 41, 6, 46, 31, 27, 6, 14, 6, 8, 51, 51, 28, 32, 3, 37, 37, 26, 47, 7, 17, 1, 45, 35, 31, 35, 3, 17, 6, 36, 20, 30, 25, 43, 49, 2, 8, 22, 33, 39] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 31 26 出現過多 且有多組連號 [45, 37, 0, 29, 39, 45, 39, 37, 23, 12, 14, 4, 0, 13, 14, 37, 42, 37, 22, 15, 4, 15, 9, 10, 15, 49, 33, 30, 5, 42, 1, 13, 39, 46, 45, 38, 3, 32, 7, 3, 47, 40, 16, 41, 13, 7, 34, 27, 30, 41, 31, 38, 36, 19, 0, 26, 34, 23, 38, 46, 7, 40, 0, 23, 8, 13, 2, 44, 31, 29, 0, 15, 16, 42, 8, 14, 29, 31, 19, 2, 12, 19, 10, 20, 37, 1, 31, 45, 34, 0, 1, 7, 12, 5, 13, 0, 22, 1, 20, 22] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 39 45 19出現過多 [43, 30, 27, 15, 13, 34, 32, 5, 36, 39, 7, 29, 4, 38, 25, 17, 1, 47, 8, 33, 18, 28, 41, 51, 1, 24, 5, 22, 6, 35, 6, 18, 4, 42, 0, 41, 16, 37, 2, 35, 11, 19, 18, 45, 26, 36, 48, 25, 26, 32, 12, 28, 48, 5, 24, 38, 44, 39, 13, 47, 45, 16, 9, 20, 25, 7, 34, 42, 45, 35, 23, 42, 42, 49, 29, 40, 29, 36, 35, 27, 45, 27, 12, 14, 43, 6, 8, 47, 15, 1, 37, 8, 32, 25, 42, 35, 40, 49, 5, 15] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 18 35 36出現過多 [51, 32, 26, 11, 4, 22, 50, 31, 10, 36, 43, 23, 21, 23, 43, 3, 50, 17, 26, 8, 12, 51, 32, 13, 0, 7, 2, 30, 15, 24, 24, 24, 17, 2, 46, 12, 14, 17, 13, 39, 26, 14, 3, 5, 10, 31, 29, 27, 16, 30, 43, 50, 42, 38, 29, 26, 34, 13, 14, 45, 4, 46, 16, 0, 22, 17, 12, 39, 37, 51, 39, 48, 33, 46, 44, 19, 27, 50, 9, 21, 31, 34, 13, 32, 13, 41, 34, 19, 43, 17, 11, 7, 9, 37, 19, 50, 40, 15, 16, 5] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 50 24 出現過多 24還3連號 [42, 18, 41, 42, 47, 23, 31, 0, 33, 47, 21, 6, 11, 9, 1, 45, 21, 51, 51, 3, 35, 51, 14, 48, 42, 20, 4, 48, 46, 1, 4, 25, 43, 30, 15, 9, 48, 42, 47, 30, 18, 30, 41, 30, 21, 44, 14, 15, 6, 30, 38, 47, 6, 3, 6, 44, 11, 9, 51, 38, 3, 28, 31, 36, 7, 8, 47, 1, 27, 2, 25, 24, 38, 47, 4, 16, 31, 0, 17, 18, 30, 33, 49, 11, 6, 9, 15, 3, 23, 20, 14, 46, 2, 15, 49, 15, 4, 6, 45, 24] 0-51 100個樣本 同一時間 15 51 30出現過多 ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ 做十次 文件2 整除52拿掉 沒時間間隔 同一組7位數可能瞬間在同一豪秒間產生 0-9 卻有相當多組 two pair,three pair,full house 十次樣本如下 (不足7位數是前面是0) [7920878, 642395, 1340535, 4120747, 2687308, 442264, 6853018, 7915810, 9356525, 3345958, 9549750, 4685518, 5392803, 9951446, 4610436, 7672741, 7385218, 3736069, 5221842, 7438140, 7719536, 6545791, 517633, 8626783, 6784951, 6412758, 7234942, 8150157, 2947894, 9629174, 277298, 4342083, 1600364, 289510, 4618654, 8032246, 8295750, 5733951, 1467470, 266584, 7319473, 4897356, 5736084, 3223462, 897213, 5647645, 9522721, 1907832, 385343, 5140648, 3270157, 8697193, 8540252, 1507012, 452038, 9594927, 619500, 4389951, 3381448, 301855, 9824436, 8785610, 2223433, 8911809, 121449, 7325594, 9287466, 4691286, 8894429, 8160171, 4115365, 9208094, 7948877, 1689062, 631593, 7197354, 2356175, 468669, 5029939, 5050897, 3854042, 8043430, 1737765, 7978719, 4257627, 1710949, 3703836, 7044944, 669013, 9559412, 5225738, 5723781, 130338, 990333, 591874, 3809388, 3174986, 5396086, 7217202, 6532455] [1230610, 1582865, 5479214, 6239699, 2320700, 3610052, 2951160, 1169133, 4137600, 8110662, 4105448, 5985173, 6152867, 2615359, 847596, 3582568, 3054316, 113191, 3437222, 4800577, 5373548, 6301156, 8380457, 879900, 9877863, 9176386, 9262673, 4400257, 8029934, 4709976, 8795595, 2328851, 764, 8777215, 6457038, 7847455, 5191261, 2885586, 5699159, 9148236, 2552881, 3411628, 1421342, 707710, 4089832, 7146700, 7500421, 6512506, 9254077, 6360750, 3712706, 2478919, 8472340, 4893719, 1571793, 2669428, 4402652, 6365144, 7957112, 2620431, 686450, 6938476, 2757670, 2557489, 5903526, 3857995, 6496643, 1610581, 2967312, 9780731, 7610850, 2994217, 6470883, 6976764, 9746444, 4185386, 5977295, 1601741, 189591, 6892771, 2724743, 9906034, 4393297, 322914, 4516156, 1637063, 3666348, 4971871, 6253437, 1115870, 8903293, 8301878, 415522, 3693885, 8700159, 5162597, 8982939, 1893643, 1124458, 177709] [1498031, 2158392, 1845236, 1433946, 1078140, 1216002, 5917697, 9586309, 4785948, 2510914, 6784859, 2409194, 3074941, 3879807, 1374504, 5835881, 5216836, 6994564, 5752587, 4141722, 1060351, 553029, 8767364, 6266297, 5110844, 5806108, 3056766, 6100383, 2689933, 1231327, 4333681, 4029260, 6935119, 9483985, 489357, 4571574, 1280671, 5527502, 574692, 9279963, 4845840, 7027840, 3202274, 1198942, 580190, 4813717, 5483720, 8311585, 709913, 3902666, 6544314, 2901602, 1202620, 7434857, 3291246, 8120, 4482382, 8655589, 9637697, 7113065, 9296079, 6944671, 7726472, 2630980, 267146, 9434832, 3989957, 1618925, 9284741, 3784395, 3692265, 2174789, 963900, 210949, 2081587, 9343990, 1959633, 2408633, 2483029, 7757193, 2981489, 5695151, 4726271, 9351993, 5716740, 1360693, 9703409, 7936825, 9597531, 1406492, 2392909, 4024313, 2218424, 8197047, 5211599, 6322963, 3463761, 5131412, 7707689, 8218931] [3856841, 5894953, 6279310, 6913919, 6189920, 2176470, 3640178, 9006671, 6997401, 505410, 2445889, 802435, 6910744, 6626844, 3532708, 6688442, 641298, 4788727, 3979102, 5520731, 1249225, 7040952, 2615420, 1528601, 7191506, 5158859, 2920442, 6715719, 4688333, 5961253, 2600495, 6305390, 3060368, 7036992, 6308514, 4718863, 6099201, 8551826, 1547078, 1527973, 794149, 7101900, 6087442, 621726, 7383604, 9044685, 7307566, 7268251, 7131813, 8829124, 1019382, 7083610, 8000970, 8691099, 2698243, 540355, 8624344, 6890980, 7260611, 2844506, 2039747, 6669945, 6169423, 120426, 9921621, 1453778, 2270746, 9210149, 1701350, 2690850, 5467781, 8446045, 3841541, 9985545, 1669744, 740433, 7987414, 7241059, 907490, 8510453, 930738, 7481752, 6189844, 2276132, 1424460, 6466983, 7485615, 1542704, 3281520, 1130023, 2222534, 9521384, 3096171, 3247744, 5416575, 266820, 1918633, 9251174, 8080684, 9629931] [9421397, 5941795, 958744, 989253, 8786382, 9721125, 1810501, 8923995, 6602120, 4177894, 714193, 1208944, 1172556, 3940134, 8177259, 6452268, 5280493, 7489825, 3377069, 1461370, 3768120, 3795582, 1345387, 5946303, 6172251, 8867678, 1897354, 2899818, 518240, 6004195, 7982019, 3150110, 12816, 8886153, 9657069, 9675706, 2850500, 7913053, 975878, 2623368, 4532188, 9726243, 2614176, 4236322, 410071, 9114265, 5562956, 697073, 7341918, 6492963, 1056444, 2171320, 119216, 3872990, 2342530, 894055, 5829949, 9829998, 2145821, 6328564, 1270906, 499059, 1705706, 5707976, 7535235, 9902114, 1322265, 2196676, 2629286, 3601437, 9951250, 9651850, 4071552, 3661090, 5824691, 401028, 2926567, 1332499, 7929917, 8865996, 3330018, 6061329, 8037511, 2971598, 3840935, 7609832, 7975540, 8027887, 7967725, 9668231, 5807152, 4756091, 6448619, 4055950, 2137064, 3615911, 5025299, 2827778, 2094766, 9939491] [6402398, 1614908, 565465, 9260611, 8780396, 6186257, 3058244, 7532577, 1247452, 5351262, 180713, 2052012, 5004724, 3884099, 4653182, 4595486, 9694191, 9200401, 8551842, 8506930, 3112516, 5796838, 102654, 4864168, 6787830, 7251332, 7597031, 8668085, 6865663, 9286505, 9701658, 3747321, 5628002, 1225540, 6505818, 9582702, 8033831, 1019750, 9980542, 7446711, 8199264, 9625428, 3751293, 1592864, 644818, 3921711, 915541, 3988523, 1539455, 5975110, 491653, 5567120, 5417134, 1273321, 5744446, 7461267, 1956965, 9486712, 1481858, 8862298, 4202623, 9284238, 9510028, 2659470, 7996418, 9541337, 396291, 8741672, 4491295, 6172201, 4197740, 1734295, 1955477, 4409604, 9318637, 9254620, 5938826, 5264054, 2621440, 1459891, 8080576, 3060893, 135540, 7252578, 5139685, 1237519, 3221413, 91700, 418698, 2450404, 3754781, 6235563, 5905260, 570052, 2534718, 1099441, 3472938, 616797, 2993072, 3691173] [8656783, 7319527, 9136879, 5605836, 3002277, 2997693, 195596, 9016542, 6478301, 7878547, 2470783, 5414418, 3429961, 5755451, 6761681, 4897398, 9675455, 6548558, 6171305, 5100079, 5128371, 7989423, 1501222, 6332037, 800107, 8467074, 1358832, 8880283, 860632, 7629971, 6659928, 6507404, 8064712, 8004665, 5825082, 2088918, 1708733, 8999878, 7263572, 1042887, 9605439, 9058087, 2794985, 5120899, 9838195, 2518392, 9840941, 2067949, 84170, 7791572, 7809295, 9891294, 7006618, 7733147, 7477743, 7855546, 3219336, 9838806, 6720948, 2466007, 8252047, 6083868, 9060146, 276829, 8634443, 8583526, 6711977, 1996095, 2518079, 6530700, 7408528, 3798153, 5535555, 9998888, 65075, 8106905, 3078372, 9865067, 6176907, 4833482, 566596, 7033236, 1715057, 4124813, 9628156, 6100320, 3670479, 2882677, 8455373, 7622549, 9456359, 9566235, 9267452, 6977816, 5679517, 543658, 9941834, 5848878, 1494584, 6667274] [4917416, 812122, 3962000, 6389623, 7147834, 3252579, 8074218, 5895215, 1131568, 1226680, 348662, 6150006, 4431484, 2521525, 557853, 5866112, 8904414, 8443069, 4666964, 4951781, 1300318, 8312404, 4006088, 3388560, 8827386, 5941001, 909040, 9209728, 5193622, 673379, 9263358, 8419384, 7779838, 3305094, 8589689, 5559959, 5754428, 2184616, 229016, 2286678, 2278358, 5220041, 5028883, 9057865, 7621130, 6358973, 4998837, 9033257, 6024062, 7313908, 4136985, 9613387, 9547173, 9494551, 151971, 1212544, 2003859, 7295470, 5924742, 634514, 5897106, 5159389, 583737, 5560506, 3686124, 5638139, 1909971, 9610905, 1185401, 5774513, 6029899, 5158259, 2717219, 1263476, 2949331, 1358561, 256796, 1077574, 8814756, 8446960, 6968633, 3037782, 1589029, 514639, 227675, 8094653, 5801288, 2000566, 407222, 5242907, 2183390, 1015044, 5003082, 2641396, 2957154, 1229671, 1524433, 356633, 8421745, 718564] [606817, 5521196, 3093044, 6185088, 4202010, 5267795, 8993224, 3334863, 7862658, 3725552, 8700038, 3521754, 7087460, 7131149, 9211238, 9298599, 6954587, 9859759, 129248, 851159, 837670, 6959776, 2132748, 5906381, 7153912, 5985028, 48238, 7594730, 1227539, 4607327, 1669740, 6479963, 6961389, 2944115, 7198902, 43369, 865788, 6014512, 6025540, 5518026, 3212065, 7149501, 1766413, 262294, 313775, 2606912, 4280236, 2861332, 4295083, 3073887, 2171088, 1692992, 4126755, 2676882, 7057128, 4385602, 3424231, 369478, 1172465, 4324029, 8602803, 9258379, 1398252, 8678638, 5329826, 8930659, 8222191, 7356264, 3890623, 7182640, 3698990, 4650928, 4719754, 1482575, 1945472, 8835431, 5491039, 2934084, 6636719, 5769869, 5545061, 7049084, 8714712, 5368607, 7842667, 4120427, 7832121, 2047072, 577909, 3169574, 3399215, 7466966, 4553039, 1192690, 9175739, 9119995, 7960292, 2532365, 4728645, 180801] ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ ※※※※ 怎麼看都是很不隨機的咬時間序 特別是時間相鄰很容易出現同一個號碼(或二個 或三個) 52個不同號碼當中二三個 瞬間相鄰 隔1 隔2 一直出現 也別怪我會把它當不隨機 7位數的更是明顯 two pair,three pair,full house的問題就不只是巧合重根 是樣本在那瞬間就那兩三個 我試過很多次了 很奇怪都如此 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 101.138.71.93 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Python/M.1478624101.A.05F.html

11/09 01:43, , 1F
你的隨機定義?度量標準呢? 離散程度?平均?
11/09 01:43, 1F

11/09 01:56, , 2F
這就是為什麼CS學歷很重要
11/09 01:56, 2F

11/09 02:03, , 3F
你自己把抽樣一萬個 算一算落點是不是趨於線性
11/09 02:03, 3F

11/09 02:04, , 4F
累進分布圖應該都是趨於45度的直線
11/09 02:04, 4F

11/09 02:16, , 5F
0~51抽100次, 你覺得同一個數字出現3次叫過多?
11/09 02:16, 5F

11/09 02:51, , 6F
我說啊, 你知道生日問題嗎 ...
11/09 02:51, 6F

11/09 06:46, , 7F
這也難怪常有人說隨機播放不隨機
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11/09 08:14, , 8F
"隨機當然要每個都平均出現阿 在座的各位都不懂隨機"XD
11/09 08:14, 8F

11/09 09:22, , 9F
你可以抽抽看 /dev/random,覺得這個也不夠隨機再來
11/09 09:22, 9F

11/09 12:45, , 10F
樣本數太少了
11/09 12:45, 10F

11/09 13:16, , 11F
單這個case就算用random.org應該也是差不多結果
11/09 13:16, 11F

11/09 19:21, , 12F
你要不要數學上的隨機定義看一遍
11/09 19:21, 12F

11/10 00:45, , 13F
100次跑出來滿"平均"的阿 http://imgur.com/a/3UUDF
11/10 00:45, 13F

11/10 00:46, , 14F
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11/10 00:50, , 15F
反過來想,你要一百組數字都沒連號又不重複,可能嗎?
11/10 00:50, 15F

11/10 08:31, , 16F
我是覺得頻率太高 如果取樣直接n倍 再間隔取樣 這樣好嗎
11/10 08:31, 16F

11/10 11:22, , 17F
你直接手動key一些"夠隨機"的list去shuffle不就好了XDD
11/10 11:22, 17F

11/10 11:23, , 18F
suffle&substitute
11/10 11:23, 18F

11/12 18:09, , 19F
你思考有點怪 用"感覺"去評斷,你要的不是隨機,是你的感
11/12 18:09, 19F

11/12 18:09, , 20F
覺,這樣變成你要自己做一個你感覺的隨機。
11/12 18:09, 20F

11/12 18:10, , 21F
e.g. 實作一個你的隨機抽籤機,保證抽100次不連號超過n次
11/12 18:10, 21F

11/12 18:11, , 22F
相同數字不超過 m 次,至於是不是隨機根本不重要
11/12 18:11, 22F

11/12 18:11, , 23F
最重要的是你要知道你要的是什麼...
11/12 18:11, 23F

11/12 18:12, , 24F
大家提供的 "隨機" 根本不會滿足你的需求拉...
11/12 18:12, 24F
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