Re: [討論] 想台獨原因

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有關中日合約及開羅宣言的部份, 底下有些正式的官方文件及新聞, 底下 的時間點都在臺北合約過後. 也就是說, 臺北合約簽了, 不過臺灣及澎湖 主權依然不屬於中華民國或中華人民共和國. 開羅宣言只是statement of intention. 建議多看官方文件, 畢竟戰爭是人家派兵打贏的. 英國官方文件: filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/large/cab-129-73.pdf JURIDICAL ASPECTS OF THE FORMOSA SITUATION ....In the Japanese Peace Treaty of April, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores, but again this did not operate as a transfer to Chinese sovereignty, whether to the Chinese People's Republic or to the Chinese Nationalist authorities. ... 大略意思: ...1952年日本正式放棄所有關於臺灣澎湖權利, 但是這並不構成轉移成 為中國主權, 不論是中華人民共和國, 或中華民國... 換句話說, 中華民國跟中華人民共和國無台灣澎湖主權. http://i.imgur.com/KuM4lxP.png
Sir anthony explained that under the peace treaty of april 1952, japan formally renounced all right and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores, but this did not operate as a transfer to chinese sovereignty, whether to the People's Republic or to the Chinese Nationalist authorities. Anthony 說明,1952年日本只正式放棄對臺/澎湖所有權利(right), 但這並 不構成主權轉移, 不論是中國人民共和國或中華民國. http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1977-80v13/d183 美官方文件 時間: December 30, 1978 略譯: 國民黨官員不斷請求(美國官員)承認中華民國對臺灣de jure的主權(這應該 表示中華民國沒有臺灣主權). 國民黨官員無法接受美國跟中華民國非官方 (government-to-government basis)的關係因為對國民黨官員來說是"生死" 問題. 美國官員答覆美國不會變更其立場. 另外美國的一中政策: ... Secretary Kelly 說到 "..美國的一中政策非北 京建議的..." 參考 http://goo.gl/G4g4iq 中國(包括PRC and ROC)沒有臺灣主權: http://goo.gl/IDMfYP The Taiwan officials were pre-occupied during the discussions with one point: Taiwan’s legal status under U.S. law. They used this point as a surrogate for rearguing our basic recognition decision and repeatedly asked us to reconsider our position. I explained that our position could not be changed. Nevertheless, they repeatedly urged us to recognize “the Republic of China as de jure, entitled to exercise governing authority in respect of the territories presently under its control.” In this way, they argued, they could continue to have government-to-government relations with the United States. They said repeatedly, with great emphasis and feeling, that they cannot accept relations with the United States on other than a government-to-government basis and that they considered this a matter of “life and death” importance. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.243.91.31 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1402297594.A.3E3.html

06/09 15:19, , 1F
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06/09 15:45, , 2F
所以現在國共兩者是想合作把這個名不正言不順的地方給收為
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06/09 15:45, , 3F
己用?
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06/09 16:38, , 4F
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06/09 21:06, , 5F
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06/09 21:07, , 6F
趕快撿起來跟胖虎說 這個給你 我做你小弟 你給一點好康的吧
06/09 21:07, 6F

06/10 01:51, , 7F
最後一段是表示國民黨曾想透過獲得台灣主權維持邦交?
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06/10 01:53, , 8F
但因為美國不給,國民黨才“只能”走一個中國路線?
06/10 01:53, 8F
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