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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1NVD12F_ ] 作者: jackie0414 (哇哈哈) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] Reggie Miller對KD轉隊的想法 時間: Wed Jul 6 17:32:45 2016 Reggie Miller對於KD轉隊有感而寫了一篇專文 以下做簡單翻譯 http://0rz.tw/QCgUT Reggie Miller: Kevin Durant Traded a Sacred Legacy for Cheap Jewelry The gravity of Kevin Durant's decision to join the Golden State Warriors hit me on Tuesday when a friend texted me, saying: "Holy s--t! What an NBA weekend. KD is crazy. Will they lose a game?" KD決定到勇士的消息讓我感到震撼 一個朋友傳訊給我說到:好個NBA周末 KD瘋了嗎 明年他們應該可以拿82勝了吧? I wrote back: "It's a bad look for the league once again. Between the huge signings of mediocre players and now KD defecting to the Warriors, there are really only five or six teams you are interested in watching—and only three of those have a real shot to win the championship. It's going to be a boring season unless the Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, Knicks, Celtics are on TNT or ESPN every week." 我回傳:這又一次傷害了聯盟 一堆普通球員拿了高薪 現在KD轉到了勇士 現在球迷只會對5-6支球隊感興趣了 其中又只有三支有機會拿冠軍 除非勇士 騎士 馬刺 尼克 青賽能夠每個禮拜出現在TNT或ESPN的轉播 否則下個球季無聊透了 He wrote back: "The rich get richer. If you're KD, would you go for the ring?" 他回傳:富者愈富很正常啊 如果你是KD 你不想追求冠軍戒嗎? And then I wrote back: "At the end of the day, what's more important, rings or legacy? The media only cares about rings, and rightfully so. We are judged on jewelry, so that's why I can't argue with it. From a personal standpoint, I'm upset that a small market will never recover from it. I like having stars/superstars in small markets. It evens the playing field and helps the overall product. It's why having Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay is great. In today's age of social media, you don't need to be in L.A., New York City or Chicago to get all the endorsements. Case in point: LeBron James and KD. Both have been the faces of the league in small markets." 我回傳:職業生涯終結時 冠軍戒和生涯評價 何者更為重要? 媒體現在只關心戒指 有沒有戒指成了唯一衡量的指標 我無法反駁 但從個人角度來看 我對於一個小市場球隊將因KD的轉隊而無法從傷害中回復感到難受 我喜歡小市場球隊有著自己的球星或超級巨星 這對於聯盟整體的發展有幫助 這也是為何Aaron Rodgers能在綠灣是一件好事 現在社群媒體如此發達 即使不在LA 紐約或芝加哥也能獲得球員的認同與支持 LBJ和KD現在不就是身處於小市場球隊的聯盟超級巨星嗎? That's the conversation that really got me thinking. 這段對話真的讓我開始思考 Look, I understand this isn't about money, because people like LeBron, Durant, Russell Westbrook and the retired Kobe Bryant make more money through their shoe contracts than they do on the court. So yes, we know this decision isn't about money. 我知道這無關金錢 像LBJ KD RW或老大 光賣鞋賺的就比他們在場上賺的多 我們都知道這個決定無關金錢 To me, it's about your legacy versus rings. 對我來說 這是生涯評價與冠軍戒指的問題 Durant would have been a god if he stayed in Oklahoma City. People always say to me, "I'm so glad you stayed with us"—that I stayed for 18 years with a small-market team in Indiana. KD如果繼續留在Oklahoma將擁有神一般的地位 人們常告訴我:我很高興你一直與我們同在-職業生涯18年始終留在印第安納 But the media, of which I am a part, always says, "Well, he never won a championship." And I get that; I understand that. Not winning a championship burns me to this day. 但是媒體只會如此評價包括我在內的球星:嗯 他從來沒獲得冠軍 我能了解這種觀點 沒得冠至今依舊讓我感到痛楚 After reaching six Eastern Conference Finals and an NBA Finals only to finish without a title, I sympathize with Durant's dilemma. A rebound, loose ball, free throw, missed assignment, missed box-out can change everything. Being so close and ultimately losing sucks. 六次東區冠軍賽以及一次總冠軍賽 但最後與冠軍無緣 我對於KD的困境感到同情 也許只差一個籃板 一個罰球 一次犯規 一個卡位沒卡好 事情就都不一樣了 如此接近冠軍卻得不到 這感覺爛透了 Nevertheless, it was the fight to put Indiana on the map that, in my mind, is my greatest accomplishment. 然而 也是這樣的拼鬥讓印第安那站上了舞台 在我心中這是我所完成的最棒成就 I lost to Michael Jordan. I battled Patrick Ewing and his Knicks. I lost to Larry Bird and his Celtics. I lost to Isiah Thomas and his "Bad Boys" Pistons. I lost to Shaquille O'Neal and Penny Hardaway's Magic. You want to go against those guys, against the absolute best, even if you don't win. 我輸給了MJ 我跟Ewing和尼克隊血戰 我輸給了大鳥和青賽 我輸給了Isiah Thomas和壞孩子們 我輸給了大鯊魚和一分錢的魔術 但我還是想要跟這些傢伙們對抗 跟這些最棒的傢伙 即使我輸了 That's what Durant gave up by leaving the Thunder. And that matters. Had he stayed in Oklahoma City, people would have said, "He spurned all the other offers and continued to fight the giant." 這正是為何KD要離開雷霆的原因 而這很重要 如果他續留Oklahoma 人們會說:他拒絕了所有的合約 繼續留下奮戰! Even if Durant didn't win a championship like me, John Stockton or players who briefly spent time elsewhere like Ewing, Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon, the rest of the world would have looked at him in a different light because he fought, rather than joined, the giants—LeBron, Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Chris Paul, etc. And to me, that's a true legacy. 即使KD像我 老史或其他曾短暫待在別隊的球星如大猩猩 馬龍或大夢一樣沒有拿到冠軍 但人們一樣會因為他的奮戰而給予高評價 而不是加入LBJ 咖哩 追夢綠或CP3這些巨星們 對我而言這才是一個球星真正的價值 It would obviously be great to have both—your kingdom and an untarnished legacy. But there are only so many people who enjoy that luxury. 能同時擁有冠軍及好的生涯評價當然是最棒的 但只有少數人能享受這樣的奢華 Jordan had both, because he already won six rings before going to Washington. Magic Johnson. Larry Bird. Kobe Bryant. You can even put Olajuwon in there, since he won two championships before going to Toronto. MJ有 在他去巫師前已經有六座冠軍 魔術強生 大鳥 老大也都有 你也可以將大夢加入此名單 在他被交易去多倫多前已經拿了兩座冠軍 But I can't loop LeBron into that company. He left his kingdom in Cleveland for Miami, which was Dwyane Wade's kingdom. 但我無法將LBJ放入此名單 他離開了他在克里夫蘭的王國到了邁阿密 那是WADE的王國 Yes, LeBron did win two titles with the Heat. So I get why Durant, like James, decided to go elsewhere. And I'm not here to say he cannot redeem himself, or that everyone will look back on his decision to leave and focus on that alone. 當然 LBJ在熱火也拿了兩冠 我猜這也是KD要轉隊的原因 我並不是要說他以後無法由黑轉白了 或是所有人只會將焦點放在他轉隊這個點上面 Winning solves everything. Let's say the Warriors go out and win the next three NBA championships. Will people really look back and only think about Durant defecting from OKC? Probably not. 因為只要贏得冠軍就解決一切了 假設勇士隊未來拿下三連霸 人們還會一直討論KD轉隊嗎 恐怕不會了 And here's the other thing: Owners turn their backs on players all the time. So as a player, you have to do what's right in your heart. I get that 100 percent. 另外 老闆們也常對球員無情無義 所以身為一個球員 對自己真正想做的事 我百分百支持 Still, there's a difference when you are "the man" and everything about a team is built around you. It's even more different for Durant. He had the best of both worlds: the reins of a franchise and another top-10, maybe top-five player in Westbrook. 然而 當你是球隊的老大 整個球隊繞著你運轉時 事情就有點不同了 對KD來說 他擁有對球隊的控制權 還有一個也許是聯盟前五的隊友-西河 When LeBron left Cleveland, the Cavaliers had Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Daniel Gibson, among others. His running mates were not of Westbrook's caliber—or even on the same level as Steven Adams. 當LBJ離開騎士時 騎士隊只有Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Daniel Gibson 這些人 他的隊友沒有一個有到西河的等級 甚至連Steven Adams的等級都不到 Comparatively, it isn't like Durant spurned a team that needed to be redone. The Thunder finished with the league's fifth-best record in the regular season and were up 3-1 on the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. They would have been right there again next season. 另外 雷霆隊並不是一隻需要重建的隊伍 今年他們的戰績是聯盟第五佳 還差點淘汰了勇士隊 沒意外的話明年他們依然是聯盟的強隊 That's why I can't help but wonder if he had a conversation with Westbrook. I'm speculating, but maybe he found out Westbrook planned to leave in free agency next summer if the duo couldn't win a title after what would be nine years together. Though Durant could've still signed a one-plus-one deal that would've put him in free agency with Westbrook, their conversation would at least shed some more light on why he left. 因此我忍不住懷疑KD到底有沒有跟西河談論過此事 也許KD發現在經過九年的合作卻無法得冠後 西河明年夏天也許會離隊 雖然KD也可能簽一個1+1的合約 屆時他將與西河一起成為自由球員 但無論如何 如果他們有談話 至少事情可能不一樣 Maybe this has nothing to do with Westbrook potentially leaving—or even any existing rivalry or conflict between the two. Perhaps Durant's desire to win rings is just that strong, or maybe he took this past postseason as a sign. 也許這跟西河要離隊 或是外傳的兩人有心結一點關係也沒有 也許KD對冠軍的渴望就是如此強烈 或是他認為這次的季後賽對他而言有某種意義 I am only here talking about Durant joining the Warriors thanks to a perfect storm of circumstances: a salary-cap spike, Oklahoma City's collapse in the Western Conference Finals against Golden State and the Warriors' NBA Finals collapse versus the Cavaliers. Durant isn't a Warrior without all of those things happening. 溢價簽約 雷霆在西冠中輸給勇士 勇士又在總冠軍戰中輸給騎士 如果這些事情沒有發生 也許KD根本不會加入勇士 And while I get all of this, stars in small markets have a greater obligation to their fans. 當我了解這些事後 我覺得小市場球隊的球星應該對他們的球迷有更多的責任 People always ask, "What made you stay in Indiana for all those years?" This is the best way I can answer that question: Your checkout teller at the grocery store, the attendant at the gas station, the ushers, the waiters, the waitresses—all these fans laughed and cheered with me, and they cried with me after the losses to Shaq, MJ and the Knicks. We were in it together. 人們常問我 什麼原因讓你在印第安納待這麼多年? 我的回答是 商店中的櫃台結帳人員 加油站員工 接待員 服務生 所有的球迷們總是給我鼓勵與微笑 當我們輸給湖人 MJ和尼克時 他們與我們一起哭泣 我們是一體的 I could not look at those fans had I gone somewhere else. I could not win a championship in Miami like LeBron, popping bubbly and all that, knowing there's a group in Indiana that stayed with me when I wasn't able to win a title. I couldn't turn my back on that fanbase and say, "Yay, I got a ring!" 如果我去了別的球隊 我甚至無法再與這些球迷們互動 只要想到在印第安納有一群球迷一職支持著我 我就無法跟LBJ一樣到邁阿密拿了冠軍 我無法無視這些球迷們然後說 嘿 我得冠了 That's why I believe Durant took an unnecessary shortcut by joining the Warriors. Fans in smaller markets, like Oklahoma City, live and die with their teams. Going to playoff games and driving through the neighborhood, almost every house has signs and banners from kids. 正因此我才相信KD加入勇士是走了一條非必要的捷徑 小市場球隊的球迷 如Oklahoma 是與球隊一體的 當季後賽開打時 如果到附近晃晃 幾乎家家戶戶都懸掛著來自孩子們的加油標語 It gives me chills thinking about those experiences in Indiana. And that's not to say Durant won't encounter this with Golden State. He might. But he's in someone else's kingdom now. 每當想到在印第安納的美好經驗就讓我感到開心 這並不是說KD到了勇士不會得到如此熱烈的支持 他會的 只是這裡是別人的王國 Don't get me wrong, Durant will be the alpha dog. On the court, the pecking order will be Durant, Curry, Green, then Klay Thompson. But Durant will forever play in Curry's kingdom. He was with them first. He won a title for them first. 無疑KD在勇士會是領袖 球場上的主角會是KD 咖哩 追夢綠和K湯 只是KD永遠是在咖哩的王國打球 他會先為他們贏得冠軍 If Durant would have won in Oklahoma City, it would just be better. It would have been better if he joined any team that wasn't a ready-made contender. But in Oklahoma City, winning one title would be like getting three or more in Golden State. Failing to win one with the Thunder would arguably be more admirable than collecting any number of titles with the Warriors. 如果KD為雷霆贏得冠軍 是不是好多了 如果他加入的不是一隻已經建構好的強隊就更好了 在雷霆奪得一冠的意義還是高於在勇士拿三冠甚至更多 即使在雷霆無法奪冠 還是比起在勇士收集冠軍還得令人敬佩多了 This is just my opinion. Others will feel differently. People will read this and say, "This is coming from a guy who never won a championship." That's fine with me. And again, I get Durant's decision. I understand that temptation. 這只是我的個人想法 想法不同的人看完這篇文章會說 這只是一個沒有冠軍球員的廢話 沒關係 重申一次 我了解KD的決定 我了解那種對於奪冠的誘惑 The Celtics wanted me to come out of retirement in 2007-08, when they won a title with Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. I couldn't do it. There was an opportunity to join the Lakers at one point. I couldn't do that, either. And maybe I should have. 青賽曾經在07-08球季邀請我復出 那個球季他們有Ray和狼王並奪得冠軍 但我拒絕了 也曾有機會加入湖人 但我也拒絕了 也許我應該這麼做才是 But to me, a king should never leave his kingdom. 但對我來說 身為王者就該留在自己的王國裡 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.143.188.136 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1467797570.A.3FF.html

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借轉神板
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※ 轉錄者: k960674 (218.166.130.107), 07/06/2016 17:59:41 唯一不認同的是,我覺得當年騎士的陣容也蠻強的XD ※ 編輯: k960674 (218.166.130.107), 07/06/2016 18:00:47

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列治米拿好長一篇文..... 雖然一半算是廢話了
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騎士陣容當年其實有點黃昏了 主要還是羞辱式出走太扯
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Reggie forever
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只能推了
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只能推了
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不過騎士不強吧 主力陣容差不多 沒姆斯就崩潰成那樣..
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已哭,推神
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ralf大可以看看隔年騎士,除了LBJ出走,還換了教練、遭逢
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嚴重的傷病問題與交易案,整季換了24套先發陣容,騎士沒
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有LBJ就墊底是當時很多LBJ迷拿來說嘴的,但事實上這幾年
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也證明了,LBJ並不是搭配誰都能夠像當初連續兩年60勝。
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11騎士不換教練 不換先發陣容 球隊還是沒有競爭力
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07/06 19:21, , 14F
禁區大歐 大Z都是隔年就退休
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大V是可以和Steven Adams比 但生涯傷病太多
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不算今年守開特力 生涯出場率也只有57%
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季後賽最高的一年只有6.9分 6.4板
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Adams今年是10分 9.5板 Miller提Adams不是沒道理
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已哭。
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神米真的帥爆了 太令人敬佩… 哭
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11騎士傷兵影響最大的是Mo米粉頭Jamison 其他10年的輪替
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陣容沒傷很大 話說我們15年也沒崩成那樣
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這不就說明11騎士少了姆斯體系整個落差超大嗎
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LBJ的球隊13和14也有傷兵問題 其他沒60勝也算接近了吧XD
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體系為他打造找來相應人手,他走了體系垮了,恐怕不足以
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說明這些人就是蝦兵蟹將吧?
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神米讚!
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本來就是如此,就像一支球隊只有Mutombo、McKie、Snow和
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Tyrone Hill當先發大概也是墊底程度的球隊一樣XD
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覺得有些焦點錯誤 Miller說不如Steven Adams
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沒有說騎士弱or強 為什麼不能認為Adam也蠻強的
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問題是他們就打很爛啊=.= 我原本也以為他們很強 結果是
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靠姆斯德道升天的廖化
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季後賽10分 9.5板只有8個人 除了Adams外都有千萬合約
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說到這個,我蠻好奇為啥神米沒提到LBJ那時還有Jamison以
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及Shaq的XD,另外我一直記得好像是對老賽的關鍵第五戰,
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LBJ完全隱形,靠的是Shaq賣老命在打。
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還有 42 則推文
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的話,記得James的疲軟表現來替這些人護航也只是剛好而已
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是是是,他很弱只會傳球大家都知道的
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沒什麼好護航就是弱啊要靠強隊友
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不要隨便開大絕嘛,當然這裡是溜馬板不太合適,但我認為
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去總板分析一下當年的騎士應該可以有很熱烈的討論,加油
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這種戰力弱成這樣的在總版會被姆酸幹爆吧,別害他
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在小板偷偷推個文是比較適合的方式~
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07/22 23:32, , 88F
是啊貴版分析能力之強,早就能幹爆它隊,貴版應該是扁
07/22 23:32, 88F

07/22 23:32, , 89F
低它隊明星為樂,尊重你們的看法,反正這幾年事實是怎
07/22 23:32, 89F

07/22 23:32, , 90F
樣拿出成績比較實際點
07/22 23:32, 90F

07/23 02:12, , 91F
靠勒,你愛在這吠是ok,哪隻狗眼看到"貴版都是貶低它
07/23 02:12, 91F

07/23 02:16, , 92F
隊明星"?你很常來?很懂我們版? 戰力弱開大絕又惱羞
07/23 02:16, 92F

07/23 02:17, , 93F
開群嘲一竿子打翻一船人?被嗆不是剛好嘛 XDDDD
07/23 02:17, 93F

07/23 02:18, , 94F
K9大講的明明是那時的事,你扯到這幾年來,再跳針啊?
07/23 02:18, 94F

07/23 08:45, , 95F
點出事實也認為是貶低我也沒辦法,自己愛跑到其他人隊板
07/23 08:45, 95F

07/23 08:45, , 96F
串門子又惱羞我也是給跪了XDD
07/23 08:45, 96F

07/23 08:48, , 97F
嫌隊友不夠好的也是LBJ、當年系列戰打得爛的也是他這兩點
07/23 08:48, 97F

07/23 08:49, , 98F
身為只能嘴砲的小小球迷真的愛莫能助QQ,你是不是去請官
07/23 08:49, 98F

07/23 08:50, , 99F
方把他當年的數據往上修一下,還是去把他轉隊新聞稿偷偷
07/23 08:50, 99F

07/23 08:50, , 100F
改一下比較實際一點?至少你不用和一堆人奮戰~
07/23 08:50, 100F

07/23 09:03, , 101F
不好意思,不是針對原Po,只是我想把推文數修成31 XDD
07/23 09:03, 101F

07/23 09:05, , 102F
個人的想法是,LBJ在出走前的隊友也不弱就是了,當時騎士的
07/23 09:05, 102F

07/23 09:06, , 103F
制服組也很努力想把LBJ身旁的奪冠拼圖湊齊,但市場上礙於克
07/23 09:06, 103F

07/23 09:07, , 104F
城的大小讓許多當時的首選球星:Ray Allen,Michael Redd等
07/23 09:07, 104F

07/23 09:07, , 105F
甚至是我們的葉王都最後選其他隊伍加入,所以只能挑選比較
07/23 09:07, 105F

07/23 09:08, , 106F
不算第一線的球星,例如休四哥,Jamison兩位前任巫師隊成員
07/23 09:08, 106F

07/23 09:09, , 107F
或是已經邁入晚期的Shaq和大班,不過雖然他們不能算得上是
07/23 09:09, 107F

07/23 09:10, , 108F
巔峰球星,但好歹有一定的實力認證,只是LBJ打法雖然善於傳
07/23 09:10, 108F

07/23 09:10, , 109F
球,但還是有一定相容性的問題
07/23 09:10, 109F

07/23 09:12, , 110F
幫31
07/23 09:12, 110F

07/23 09:12, , 111F
當然,他是沒有像KD今年一樣有另一位超猛隊友Westbrook還跳
07/23 09:12, 111F

07/23 09:13, , 112F
槽到73勝的勇士隊那麼誇張,但是以兩屆MVP之身在當打之年去
07/23 09:13, 112F

07/23 09:14, , 113F
降薪跟同梯的全明星組隊,基本上也是讓他的歷史評價打折扣
07/23 09:14, 113F

07/23 09:14, , 114F
好像噓過頭了....sorry~
07/23 09:14, 114F

07/23 09:24, , 115F
推回來XD
07/23 09:24, 115F

07/23 09:51, , 116F
維持31~ PG對阿根廷表現不錯~
07/23 09:51, 116F
※ 編輯: k960674 (218.173.150.141), 07/23/2016 13:30:58

07/23 13:37, , 117F
果然海巡還是腿迷的專屬技能阿,大家都不能說姆斯壞話喔!
07/23 13:37, 117F

07/23 14:32, , 118F
海巡從熱火牽到騎士還是海巡
07/23 14:32, 118F

07/24 22:29, , 119F
看到這麼多噓文以為來錯版XD
07/24 22:29, 119F
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