Re: [閒聊] Zimmerman on statistics and 'nerds'

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※ 引述《ug945 (ug945)》之銘言： : http://goo.gl/HkQDk : Ryan Zimmerman on statistics and ‘nerds’ : By Dan Steinberg, Published: May 31, 2013 at 2:54 pm : If you’re an athlete and you’d like to find yourself in more blog : headlines, say something about statistics and nerds. Works every time. 身為一位運動員，你會想要自己多出現在部落格的頭條上，討論數據和笨蛋(??) 這每次都是成立的! : Ryan Zimmerman was the latest to discover this truth, after starring in the : last section of Friday’s Boz column. Zimmerman最近出現在Friday’s Boz的專欄的不部分。 : The reigning kings of geekdom reside at Baseball Prospectus. They’re so : respected inside the industry that the Nats have a “Baseball Prospectus Day” : at Nats Park on July 7. PECOTA, a Baseball Prospectus site, uses computer : simulations to project performance. They think the Nats have a 41 percent : chance to reach the playoffs and a 3.9 percent to win the Series (down from : 11 percent preseason). The Orioles currently have only a 17.9 percent playoff : chances, in part because they’re in the tough AL East, a minuscule 0.7 : percent chance to win the Series…. : 一群統治棒球章程的網友(???)，在這個領域備受敬重。所以國民對有個棒球章程日，在每年的七月七日於國民隊主場慶祝，PECOTA是一個棒球章程的網站運用電腦模擬去計劃表現。他們認為國民隊有41%的機率會進入季後賽，3.9%的機會奪得世界冠軍。(由季前的11%下降為3.9%) 而金鶯隊目前只有17.9%的機率會進入季後賽，部分原因是因為他們身處激烈的美東戰區，僅有微小的0.7%機率會奪得世界冠軍。 “How did that [model] work out for them the last couple of years? Not : very well, right?” said Zimmerman. “That’s why nerds shouldn’t do that : stuff.” : Zimmerman表示:最近幾年那個系統運作得如何?不好對吧!!那就是為什麼笨蛋不應該做那些工作!! Nerds! “Ryan Zimmerman Thinks You Are All A Bunch Of Nerds,” wrote : Deadspin. “Ryan Zimmerman thinks “nerds” should not do playoff projections, : ” wrote Hardball Talk. Nerds! said the rest of the Internet. : Well, Zimmerman was on ESPN 980′s Sports Fix Friday afternoon, and Thom : Loverro — a longtime antagonist of stats lovers — brought up the nerds : quote. (Audio here.) Zimmerman immediately groaned and laughed, saying he had : made that nerds! quip “in casual talk” with Boz. Deadspin寫到:笨蛋!!!Zimmerman認為你們都是一群笨蛋。Hardball Talk寫到: Zimmerman認為笨蛋不應該做季後賽預測!Zimmerman在禮拜五下午的 ESPN 980′s Sports Fix和一位長期數據反對者Thom Loverro在一起。談到這些笨蛋的引用， Zimmerman馬上大笑，說道他對這些笨蛋.....(這句不會翻) : “I have nothing against nerds, believe me,” Zimmerman said. “I’m just, I’ : m so tired – not just in baseball, in every sport – of the new infatuation : with stats and numbers and using this stuff to compare players. The best : thing about sports is people can hit the same in the first inning and the : ninth inning, but you’re trying to tell me that you’re gonna take someone : other than Derek Jeter in the playoffs in the ninth inning? If Derek Jeter’s : hitting .150, I’m taking Derek Jeter, compared to a guy hitting .450. That’ : s something that you can’t put in the numbers. You know, the new way to : compare people, it’s been a hit, or whatever people want to call it. And : some of it’s true; I’m not saying all of its wrong. But the great thing : about sports is how people handle pressure and how people handle adversity, : and there’s just no way that numbers can do that justice.” : Loverro and Sheehan both chimed in, mostly in agreement, and then opened the : floor to Zimmerman again. Zimmerman表示:我沒有要針對這些笨蛋，我只是很疲憊，不只是棒球，在每個運動項目中，在這對數據和數字朝迷的風潮下，用這些去比較球員們。棒球運動最棒的地方在於人們可以在第一局和第九局打出同樣的東西。但是你要說服我你要在季後賽的第九局裡把Jeter換成其他人?!如果JeterK的打擊率只有一成五，我仍然會選Jeter，跟一個打擊率四成五的比較。那是一種你不能用數字衡量的東西。你知道，這是一種新的方式去比較選手，這是一個衝擊，或是你想叫他甚麼都好。而那一有一部份是對的，我不是說全部都是錯的。但是我覺得運動美好的地方在於選手們如何調適壓力和克服逆境，而這是數據和數字完全無法客觀呈現的!Loverro和Sheehan大致上同意Zimmerman的看法。 : “It’s gotten, I don’t want to say out of hand, because it’s part of the : game, and part of every sport now is this huge fantasy football market, or : fantasy baseball,” Zimmerman said. “And it’s good for the game, because it : gets us more fans who might have never paid attention to baseball before. And : that’s what this game is all about, is getting fans and having people watch : the game and grow the game. But it gets to a point sometimes where they do so : many comparisons and so many stats. Just let people go out and play the game. : It kind of gets away from what baseball’s really about.” : Still, the hosts promised Zimmerman, he would hear more about this quote. Zimmerman說，我不想說這是比賽的一部份，而現在每種運動的很大部分是幻想的橄欖球市場或是棒球。(????)而這對比賽有好處，因為這讓那些不曾對棒球產生注意力的人們產生關注。而這就是比賽的目的:得到球迷，讓人們進場看球。然而發展成有時候他們做了太多的比較和數據，就讓選手們去比賽吧!這有點脫離棒球的真義了。 “Oh, I woke up this morning and I already heard about it,” he said with a : laugh. “I didn’t even remember it. I talk with Boz all the time. Boz is : great, he’s one of the smartest writers out there and loves the game. And I : woke up this morning, and honestly, I didn’t even remember saying that. We : were just talking at my locker about stats, about things like that. I didn’t : mean any harm by it. You know, whatever. It wasn’t meant to do any damage.” : This nerd thinks it’s all good. And also would like more outtakes from the : Boz locker room sessions. : 我今早起床我就聽到這件事了，他笑道。我甚至不記得了，我常跟Boz聊天，Boz是個好人，他是個聰明又熱愛比賽的作家。而今早起床的時候，老實說，我甚至不記得我有說過那樣的話，我們只是在我的更衣室內討論數據之類的事情，我沒有任何不敬的意思。沒有任何有傷害人的意思。我些笨事情是好的，看起來更像是Boz的斷章取義。 As for the Nats bats, Zimmerman was asked what hitters are saying to each : other as they try to exit this season-long slump. : “Nobody’s more frustrated than us,” he said. “And we might not show it. : That’s just kind of how we’re wired. And we have to deal with the media and : other people, but there’s nobody on the planet that’s more disappointed and : frustrated than us right now. And we’re doing everything we can to work and : try and get better and score more runs. At this level the coaches can only do : so much. The first people to always get the blame are Rick [Eckstein], the : hitting coach, and Davey. But when it comes down to it, we’re grown men : playing baseball. And when we get to the batter’s box, it’s US up there. : And in the end, we’re the ones that have to make the adjustments, we’re the : ones that have to get better. They can only tell us so much. We have to go up : there and do it, and score runs.” : Also, nerds! 而談到國民隊的打擊，Zimmerman被問到打者之間有說甚麼來討離這季的低潮嗎?! 他表示:沒有人比我們更沮喪了，而且我們不能表現出來。這真是怪極了，而且我們要和媒體和其他人打交道，但是我想這世界上沒有人比我們更沮喪和失望的了。我們正極盡任何努力去嘗試變好和得更多分。在這個階段教練只能做的就是這樣了!每次最先被指責的都是我們的打教--Rick Eckstein和Davey，而當我們站在打擊區時，就只有我們了。到最後，我們是那個需要去調整的人，我們是需要變好的人。他們只能告訴我們這麼多。我們需要走出去，做到他。得更多分!!!! 初次翻譯，請多指教!!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.121.177.92

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