Re: [外電] Prospect Report Redux: Brett Gardner

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大略翻一下 有錯請指正 ※ 引述《jdtrue (練習微笑每一次)》之銘言: : http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/9/1/1659461/ : prospect-report-redux-brett-gardner#storyjump or http://tinyurl.com/23bqng5 : by John Sickels on Sep 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT : Prospect Retro Redux: Brett Gardner : Yankees outfielder Brett Gardner is hitting .286/.387/.383 this year in 464 : plate appearances, with 61 walks, 80 strikeouts, and 37 steals in 44 : attempts. He's shown improved patience compared to last year (last year he : had 26 walks in 284 plate appearances), and his overall production of 113 : OPS+ is much better than last season's 93 mark or the 53 he put up in 2008. : His defense in left field is excellent. WAR rates him highly at 4.1 this : year, up from 2.2 in 2009. 腿弟今年在464個PA中打出了.286/.387/.383(這長打率....)、61個BB、80個SO以及 37次SB(7次CS),他展現了比去年更進步的耐心而且113的OPS+也勝過去年的93以及08 年登上大聯盟時的53,更別說他傑出的左外野防守能力。就算是在進階數據的WAR上 ,也是令人稱羨的4.1(去年2.2)。 : What was he like as a prospect? : I did a Rookie Profile of Gardner about two years ago, in September of 2008. : http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/9/24/620941/analysis-of-yankees-prospe : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Brett Gardner was drafted by the Yankees in the third round in 2005, from the : College of Charleston. Speed was his calling card, speed and the ability to : draw walks, but his power was questionable. He hit .284/.377/.376 with 19 : steals for Staten Island in the New York-Penn League after signing. I gave : him a Grade C+ in the 2006 book, noting that I thought he was a slight : overdraft, but that I thought he could be a useful player if he showed enough : pop to survive at higher levels. 那麼,讓我們來看看腿弟在小聯盟時的評價吧,林背我兩年前有寫了一份報告。 腿弟是洋基2005第三輪選進的,當時的主要武器是速度和選球能力,但是Power就慘 不忍睹了,在簽約後所待的第一個聯盟,繳出.284/.377/.376以及19次SB的成績,而 我在06年給他的評等是C+(譯註:通常這個等級要站穩大聯盟較難),請注意我認為他 有點overdraft(意指被選進的輪數太前面),但我認為如果他能在更高階段展現出一 些長打能力的話,將會是一位很有用的打者。 : Gardner hit .323/.433/.418 with 30 steals in 63 games for Class A Tampa in : 2006, then .272/.352/.318 with 28 steals in 55 games for Double-A Trenton. I : kept him as a Grade C+ in the 2007 book, noting his speed, willingness to : take walks, and defensive ability, but remaining doubtful that he would show : enough pop to start. I wrote that he had "an outside chance to become Juan : Pierre, but I think Jason Tyner-with-more-walks is more likely." 接著腿弟在1A的63場出賽繳出.323/.433/.418、30次SB,在AA的55場比賽繳出.272/ .352/.318、28次SB,我在07年還是給了他C+的評等,速度、選球、守備依然突出, 但是長打能力也仍舊沒有起色,我這樣寫著:有機會變成Juan Pierre,但更會撿BB的 Jason Tyner會比較有可能。 : Returning to Trenton to begin 2007, Gardner hit .300/.392/.419 in 54 games : with 18 steals, then hit .260/.343/.331 in 45 games for Triple-A Scranton : with 21 steals. My analysis didn't change: I kept him at Grade C+ in the 2008 : book, again noting his ability to get on base and swipe bags, but again : noting the lack of power and projecting him as a fourth outfielder. 07年在AA的表現依舊不錯,然後升到了AAA在45場比賽中繳出.260/.343/.331和21次SB ,我在08年的分析不變:C+評等,優勢與缺點依舊,使得他被認為是第四號外野手的料。 : Gardner hit .296/.414/.422 this year for Scranton, with 37 steals in 94 : games. In his major league action, he's hit .202/.263/.279 in 104 at-bats. : Obviously that kind of performance is unacceptable. He's stolen 11 bases in : 12 attempts, which is excellent, but otherwise he's been quite weak : offensively. His plate discipline, which was terrific in the minors, has not : translated well to the majors, with just eight walks and 26 strikeouts in 104 : at-bats. And the lack of power is obvious for all to see. 08年球季後半他升上MLB,104個AB裡繳出.202/.263/.279慘不忍睹的成績,這當然是 無法接受的,雖然12次嘗試盜壘就成功11次很棒,但也幾乎只有這項優點了,他在小 聯盟時優異的選球能力,無法有效的轉換到MLB,104個AB中只撿了7個BB而且被三振了 26次,而長打能力的貧乏更是顯而易見。 : What does the future hold? Despite the early problems, I still think he's got : a future as a fourth outfielder. Gardner's track record is to thrive at one : level, then struggle a bit in his first shot at the next level before : adjusting and doing better in the second try. The lack of power is always : going to be an issue, but he should get at least some of the plate discipline : back. Not all of it: he doesn't have enough pop to scare pitchers into giving : him excessive walks, but I expect much of the patience will return in time. 那腿弟的未來如何呢?雖然有上述的問題存在,我仍然認為他可以成為第四號的外野手 ,根據過往的紀錄,腿弟在升上新的層級時會先掙扎一陣子,調整之後便能適應的不 錯,Power的缺乏的確會是個問題,不過他的選球能力應該至少會恢復一些,雖然投手 會因為他長打力不足而不太保送他(應該是指不會投的太閃),但我期待大部分的耐心 會隨著時間回來。 : His MLEs show him as a .250-.280 hitter with a .340-.370 OBP. The bottom : range of that is unacceptable for a regular, but the upper range would be OK : given his speed and glovework. 預測他會是有著.25~.28打擊率和.34~.37上壘率的打者,當然對一個固定先發而言下 界是很不OK的,但上界伴隨著他的速度和防守會是很OK的。 : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : I think the original assessment of Gardner as Jason Tyner with more walks is : still a good one. Whether that's enough to be a regular depends on the style : of team I suppose. Gardner's glovework in center field is well-regarded; his : arm is weak but he has excellent range. If you're getting enough power at : other positions, Gardner in center field is plausable, but personally I still : think he's best off as a fourth outfielder. HIs offense will be marginal for : a regular, although if he hits at the top end you can make a case. : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 我認為之前所預測的成為更會凹保送的Jason Tyner還是很不錯,在某些隊伍裡足以擔 任先發了(不過當然不是洋基),腿弟中外野的防守也很不錯,雖然臂力不好但是廣泛 的守備範圍彌補了這點,如果你在其他位置的火力夠了,腿弟的中外野會讓你很蘇服 ,但我還是覺得他比較適合擔任第四號外野,畢竟在這個CASE上他的打擊能力要能夠 達到上界。 : This year at least, Gardner has performed at the upper range of my : projections for his career, with a batting average pressing .290 now. He got : the patience back, as I expected, but overall he's developing towards the : maximal range of his potential outcomes. 至少在今年,腿弟表現出上界的水準,接近.29的打擊率,選球的耐心也回來了,不過 我認為這也差不多是他潛力的天花板了。 : Is he "Jason Tyner with more walks?" Tyner hit .275/.314/.323 in his career. : Gardner is at .271/.357/.368 so far. He's shown a bit more pop than Tyner, : and yeah, a lot more walks, plus he's a better defender than Tyner was. : Overall, Gardner has turned out a bit better than I anticipated two years : ago, at least this year. : Yankees fans: would you be satisfied with Gardner as your regular left : fielder for the next few years? 那腿弟會是Jason Tyner嗎?就目前的數據來看腿弟甚至還超越了一些,而且,超會凹 BB的呢,總結來說,腿弟超出了我兩年前的預估。 對洋基迷來說,你們願意讓腿弟繼續當未來幾年的先發LF嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 123.192.70.248

09/03 21:33, , 1F
推翻譯…看到這篇才發現剛才那篇沒翻譯……
09/03 21:33, 1F

09/03 21:35, , 2F
腿弟很棒啊,真的沒必要多花一千多萬簽CC....
09/03 21:35, 2F

09/03 21:35, , 3F
有看有推
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09/03 21:36, , 4F
翻得不錯喔,雖然這篇英文不難懂,推一個
09/03 21:36, 4F

09/03 21:38, , 5F
怎麼有種作者被打臉還不承認的感覺= =
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09/03 21:40, , 6F
不過加上今年的表現 腿弟生涯OPS+還是只有97 我想今
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09/03 21:40, , 7F
年的表現還得再多出現幾年才行
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09/03 21:41, , 8F
腿弟還比CC年輕個兩三歲 錢省起來搶Lee或werth
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09/03 21:41, , 9F
有沒有打臉等Gardner二三年後的表現再說吧
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09/03 21:41, , 10F
Sickels應該早就不怕打臉了才對
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09/03 21:43, , 11F
還要再一年還是這種好成績才能證明吧 不過Gardner
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09/03 21:43, , 12F
能夠拿到明年的先發LF嗎 自家農場出來比較爽阿XD
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09/03 21:44, , 13F
腿弟的上壘率就值回票價 更不用說他的速度跟防守
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09/03 21:44, , 14F
真的能夠這種成績 哪需要去搶Crawford或是Werth
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09/03 21:45, , 15F
是說Kevin Long好想很會把人家砲管變大,說不定以後有
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09/03 21:46, , 16F
機會讓slg上升多一點
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09/03 21:47, , 17F
我願意 不需要呢
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09/03 21:48, , 18F
腿弟很棒 腿弟先發一票 存銀兩簽峭壁李
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09/03 21:48, , 19F
gap power比較實際 Gardner飛球一年比一年少了
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09/03 21:51, , 20F
請問樓上什麼是gap power?
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09/03 21:56, , 21F
打到外野手之間一路往fence滾過去的那種長打
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09/03 22:03, , 22F
他逐月的K%看的讓人很擔憂阿
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09/03 22:17, , 23F
喔~~了解謝謝jd大!
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09/03 22:22, , 24F
Tyler我記得曾經1XXX AB沒HR 腿弟沒這麼慘吧
09/03 22:22, 24F

09/03 22:27, , 25F
我很喜歡Gardner 但我很怕以後洋基把他交易掉 Q_Q
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09/03 22:32, , 26F
Gardner HR的確不多 如果一兩年之後能在今年的水準
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09/03 22:32, , 27F
或是季初的打擊能力能維持或練起來 那真的是很划算y
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09/03 22:58, , 28F
建議簽TB那隻
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09/03 23:00, , 29F
願意!
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09/03 23:33, , 30F
把腿弟的淨SB算成是二壘安打的話長打率應該還不錯吧
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09/03 23:36, , 31F
哪有人這樣算的 2B長打是可以把跑者清光的
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09/03 23:38, , 32F
畢竟只看OPS是看不出任何在跑壘上跟盜壘的貢獻囉
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09/04 00:21, , 33F
那就分開看阿~ 硬合在一起反而又失真的
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09/04 01:16, , 34F
外野說不定得留一個位子給隊長 XD
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09/04 01:43, , 35F
隊長的打擊不復甦,是絕不可能守外野的...
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09/04 01:43, , 36F
而且也沒找到SS的接班人
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09/04 14:30, , 37F
腿弟加油~~SS應該會用簽的吧~~不過我還是比較希望
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09/04 14:31, , 38F
隊長恢復水準 >"<!!
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09/04 15:33, , 39F
腿弟借用了隊長跟鐵爺的魔法棒XD..........
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