Re: Lost: the Velocity and Command of Joba Cham …

看板NY-Yankees作者 (Gee Gee Gee)時間14年前 (2009/10/10 02:32), 編輯推噓19(1904)
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================================================================== 之前的翻譯翻一半拖稿真抱歉,這裡是完整的,我把之前未完成版刪掉了。 ================================================================== 簡單文意翻譯來囉... 譯者完全不保證照原文翻,但我想意思應該差不多。 整篇主要在討論喬巴這兩年投球姿勢的差異,原文連結有圖片可看。 ※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言: : http://www.baseball-intellect.com/lost-the-velocity-and-command-of-joba-chamberlain/ : I was asked by a few people to diagnose the problems of Joba Chamberlain. I : went to the tape and didn’t really see anything that looked like an obvious : problem. 有人問我喬巴怎麼了?? 我摸著下巴的鬍子掐指一算!! 發現算不出來... 只好跑去看了他比賽的錄影帶,看完以後,還是什麼都看不出來XD : Joba’s problems persisted and I saw a Buster Olney blog entry detailing Joba : ’s velocity decline (Insider-only), so I decided to take another look and I : think might have found something. 不過喬巴在場上的表現一整個有問題啊!! 有個鄉民在網誌上說他球速沒了。 同樣都是鄉民,除了有30公分以外,我也會嘴砲啊~ 不過我會很有禮貌, 所以我不能抄襲別人網誌寫的,我要寫得很專業,看看在PTT會不會被鄉民推爆!! : I’ll also be ignoring the yo-yo act the Yankees have used with Joba. Should : he be in the rotation or should he be put in the pen? To use Joba rules or : not? I’m sure he’s been mentally all over the place and that’s had : something to do with his performance, but for this piece, we’ll ignore that : factor. 有一堆專家喜歡評論「喬巴應該當先發」或是「喬巴應該是隻牛」這樣的問題, 喬巴應該拉回牛棚嗎?? 以前那套保護年輕肉體的「Joba Rule」要不要重出江湖?? 我個人心裡想的其實是「喬巴是吃了人人果實的藍鼻子麋鹿」,但我不會寫出來。 喬巴他自己也很清楚,該當先發就是先發,該當牛就當隻牛,麋鹿永遠都是麋鹿。 這種鄉民嘴砲到爛的議題(SP/RP)我不想討論,想看這種文章的請按左鍵。 : Now, let’s compare Joba from September this year to Joba back in the middle : of last season… 讓我們現在來看看喬巴去年季中之後到今年九月的表現吧!! : 2008 Joba is on the left, 2009 Joba is on the right. First thing I notice are : the hands…as Joba lifts his knee, the hands in 2009 lift with it while in : 2008 they stay steady. That’s why in 2009, at the point the knee starts to : drop, Joba’s hands are up by his head and in 2008 they are out in front of : his chest. So right off the bat, we see a subtle change that might have an : impact on his timing. 我把一台電視放左邊,播2008喬巴投球錄影帶, 再把一台電視放右邊,播2009喬巴投球錄影帶。 看到這裡鄉民一定會覺得我家很有錢,我有兩台電視,我有鬍子我很帥。 總之,比較喬巴這兩年投球的樣子,我發現他的手怪怪的。 在喬巴抬起膝蓋的時候,2009的他會同時把兩隻手舉起來, 可是2008的他在抬起膝蓋的時候,兩隻手是保持不動的。 這就是為什麼在2009的時候,當喬巴開始把膝蓋放下時, 他的兩隻手都快舉到他頭上了,但在2008的時候只會舉起到胸前的高度。 所以站在打者的角度看,我們會發現他藏球的時機有著一點點的改變。 : Joba actually breaks his hands (when the ball breaks from the glove) a couple : frames earlier in 2008 than 2009. In 2009, Joba lowers the hands and then : breaks. 2008的喬巴,投球時把兩隻手打開(也就是把球從手套拿出來)的時間點, 要比2009的喬巴早一些。在2009,因為喬巴兩隻手跟著膝蓋舉起來, 所以他得先把手放下,然後才把球拿出來。 : In 2008, Joba broke his hands and then they kinda hover there. This is : something I detailed last time I looked at Chamberlain. It’s an adjustment I : think he made in hopes of improving his timing, which in turn would help his : command. The hands hovered as Joba started striding. 在2008,喬巴把球拿出來,握球的右手會稍稍停在那一會兒,這件事我之前說過了。 我猜那是他的一種自我調整,讓他投球的手可以掌握好放球時機,以幫助控球。 鄉民可以自己去看原文連結,長襪版喬巴把球拿出來時,右手會橫在那停兩格。 2009的喬巴則是把球拿出來幾乎直接讓右手往下垂,沒有手臂橫在那停格的階段。 : In 2009, the hands also hover, but they don’t hover for as long a period. : The reason for this is because his hands are higher from the start, so the : time it took for them to lower ate into the time that his hands were supposed : to hover. Hopefully that make sense. 在今年,也就是2009,他還是讓手在空中停一下,只是這一下沒有像過去那麼久。 啊我之前就講了啊,老師有講你有沒有聽?? 有聽就知道理由啦!! 因為他今年抬起膝蓋的時候(開始投球動作)會把手一起舉起來, 所以要多花時間放下來,啊當然在拿出球的時候就沒空停這麼久了咩... 這麼簡單的事我都可以寫這麼多字,還寫得超有道理的,我覺得我好厲害。 : Now, there are postural, hip turn, and arm action difference. Here are some : of those changes… 好啦~ 接下來我要寫的是關於喬巴的投球姿勢、扭腰跟揮臂動作, 在2008和2009兩年有什麼差異。 (鬍子梗太多好像就low了,所以接下來的翻譯決定不再使用鬍子梗。) : 1. Chamberlain in 2008 is a bit more seated. 1.喬巴在2008年投球時蹲得比較低。 : 2. Take the clip below and watch the front leg… : It looks like there is a bigger, more forceful step over move in 2008. That : is something that could make an impact from a velocity standpoint. : In fact, just comparing his pitches from his last start, when he would throw : in the upper 80’s – low 90’s, there was less of step-over move than when : he threw 93 or 94. 2.請各位瞧瞧他投球時的前腳... (原文有動態照片,不過他的左右似乎放反了,長襪版的應是2008喬巴。) 他在2008年投球時的跨步比較大,跨得又兇猛又有氣勢。 請不要小看這小小一步,正所謂釘子鬆了就打造不了好馬蹄鐵, 沒有好馬蹄鐵馬兒跑步就跑不好,馬兒跑不好就送不了信, 信沒送到將軍手裡,就會打輸戰爭... (詳情請見《東京甩尾》) 反正這一步就是會影響到喬巴的球速啦!!! 事實上,光看喬巴最近一次的比賽就可以觀察到這個差異: 當他跨步比較小時,球速大約在90英哩上下跑; 當他跨步比較大時,球速會來到93或94英哩。 : 3. For the clips below, focus on the arm action… : In the 2008 version, as Joba is making that step-over move, watch the arm : action really start to load. The elbow goes up with a little bend. : Compare it to 2009…the arm swings back a bit, but it’s still pretty : straight and it hasn’t really begun to load. So Joba loads his arm later in : the process and this creates a timing problem. 3.再來看看他的揮臂動作... 2008版的喬巴在右手從手套抓出球時,手肘順勢向上,手臂呈現些許的彎曲。 2009版的喬巴右手拿出球時,會向後多伸一點,手臂呈現直直往後揮的樣子, 看起來他根本還沒開始用力,所以喬巴在2009年投球時右手比較晚開始用力, 這也造成了一些投球時機的問題。 (譯者妄想: 我不知道我的理解對不對,但我是這樣看的。 請仔細看喬巴拿出球時的動作,也就是小白球在最低點時的右手。 2008版的右手有點彎曲,看起來像是手肘帶動手臂往上揮,手臂已經開始用力; 2009版的右手一開始是直直垂下的,看起來像是由抓球的手掌帶動手臂往上揮, 這時候的手臂還是比較放鬆的狀態,肌肉還沒開始用力,也就是還沒load。) : Now, I think a pitcher’s “timing” is subjective. Some regard a problem in : timing as just the throwing arm not being vertical prior to the front foot : landing. That’s not really true, however. 我認為,評論一個投手在投球動作的時間點問題是很主觀的。 有些人認為這類問題通常是指: 在揮臂動作中,右手從身體後面拉起來, 手臂彎曲,使上下臂呈現垂直的那個時間點,是否在自由腳踏地之前。 喔... 這並不是絕對正確的真理。 (譯者註: 老實說這段我用猜的成分大於翻譯的成分,其實我看不大懂orz) : I’ll keep try to keep this simple because there are a lot of variables here… : despite the fact that Joba has always been borderline as to whether he gets : the arm up to vertical before the front foot lands, he’s been able to : generate pitches of high velocities and command them for the most part. When : you’re able to combine high velocities with command, it’s a sign of : mechanical efficiency, not a problem in timing. Proper timing for one pitcher : may not be proper timing for another. 我會試著把話講得簡單一點,即使這東西牽扯一大堆有的沒的因素... (譯者註: X的!! 這篇文章有夠繞口令的,你現在才想到要講點單一點!!) 儘管喬巴在「右手臂抬起呈垂直 必須早於 自由腳踏地」這件事上做得馬馬虎虎, 有時候會做到有時候不會,但他的確有能力在大部分的時候把球投得又快又準。 當你有能力把球投得又快又準,那就表示你的投球機制很有效率, 問題並不是出在那個「右手臂抬起呈垂直 必須早於 自由腳踏地」的時機問題。 投球動作裡,每個動作都有所謂正確適當的「時機」, 或許這些正確的「時機」對某些投手來說正確,對某些人則不然。 : But what happens when something is altered in a mechanically efficient : pitcher? It’s what you’d expect…you see a decline in velocity and a : deterioration of command…in Joba’s case, the arm is later in 2009. The : timing of each sequence in the kinetic chain is thrown off. 那麼,當一個投球機制沒有問題的投手,在投球動作上有了小變化時, 會發生甚麼事咧?? 沒錯,各位鄉民一定都猜到了,你知道我知道獨眼龍也知道, 你會看到這個投手的球速降低外加控球變差。(譯者註: 真的是廢話...) 以喬巴來說,他在2009年手臂開始用力的時間遲了一點點(請看上述第3.點), 開始就遲了一點點,後面的一切當然也跟著遲了一點點,於是, 整個投球動作裡,每件事情都遲了一點點。 : So what advice do I have for Joba? It’s pretty simple…go back to what made : you successful. Sit down a little more, keep your hands low, aggressively : step-over into foot plant, and the timing should correct itself. The changes : themselves won’t be too hard to implement, but Joba has to know what’s : wrong first. 所以咧... 你問我有什麼建議可以給喬巴?? 吼~ 這麼簡單的問題你還問我。 我都嘴砲這麼多了,結論當然要又帥氣又有詩意外加餘音繞樑三日不絕於耳, 我的建議就是: 「找回那個過去成功的你。」 怎樣?? 帥吧?? 是不是等於沒講?? 是不是想用100mph的速球打我的頭?? 拜託... 其實我就是要喬巴用2008那個方式投球啦!! 講得玄一點不行喔?? 把上面寫過的那幾點看清楚,手不要跟著膝蓋一起抬高、蹲低一點、跨大步一點, 跨步的時候要面露殺氣,兇狠一點,給他跨出去不要怕,問題自然就會解決了。 這些問題不難解決,想改也很容易,問題是喬巴必須要聽進去我說的, 他必須知道他今年的投球方式錯在哪裡,就這麼簡單,洋基快點聘我當投教。 -- 終於翻完了,原來翻譯外電這麼累orz 很多原文看不太懂的地方,我是對照喬巴投球動作去猜的, 如果有謬誤請各位不吝指正。這種投球動作的小變化還真難觀察啊... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.121.69.129 ※ 編輯: KennyKuo 來自: 122.121.69.129 (10/10 02:41)

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快推到關鍵部位... 樓上各位也真合作>///<
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我下次試試看這樣投會不會比較好XD
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你有鬍子 你很帥 >/////<
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你很有禮貌 ^^
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原來關鍵部位 是小腿 (筆記
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原來n大的關鍵部分長在膝蓋下 (筆記..)
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