Re: Lost: the Velocity and Command of Joba Cham …
看板NY-Yankees作者KennyKuo (Gee Gee Gee)時間14年前 (2009/10/10 02:32)推噓19(19推 0噓 4→)留言23則, 23人參與討論串2/3 (看更多)
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之前的翻譯翻一半拖稿真抱歉,這裡是完整的,我把之前未完成版刪掉了。
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簡單文意翻譯來囉... 譯者完全不保證照原文翻,但我想意思應該差不多。
整篇主要在討論喬巴這兩年投球姿勢的差異,原文連結有圖片可看。
※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言:
: http://www.baseball-intellect.com/lost-the-velocity-and-command-of-joba-chamberlain/
: I was asked by a few people to diagnose the problems of Joba Chamberlain. I
: went to the tape and didn’t really see anything that looked like an obvious
: problem.
有人問我喬巴怎麼了?? 我摸著下巴的鬍子掐指一算!! 發現算不出來...
只好跑去看了他比賽的錄影帶,看完以後,還是什麼都看不出來XD
: Joba’s problems persisted and I saw a Buster Olney blog entry detailing Joba
: ’s velocity decline (Insider-only), so I decided to take another look and I
: think might have found something.
不過喬巴在場上的表現一整個有問題啊!! 有個鄉民在網誌上說他球速沒了。
同樣都是鄉民,除了有30公分以外,我也會嘴砲啊~ 不過我會很有禮貌,
所以我不能抄襲別人網誌寫的,我要寫得很專業,看看在PTT會不會被鄉民推爆!!
: I’ll also be ignoring the yo-yo act the Yankees have used with Joba. Should
: he be in the rotation or should he be put in the pen? To use Joba rules or
: not? I’m sure he’s been mentally all over the place and that’s had
: something to do with his performance, but for this piece, we’ll ignore that
: factor.
有一堆專家喜歡評論「喬巴應該當先發」或是「喬巴應該是隻牛」這樣的問題,
喬巴應該拉回牛棚嗎?? 以前那套保護年輕肉體的「Joba Rule」要不要重出江湖??
我個人心裡想的其實是「喬巴是吃了人人果實的藍鼻子麋鹿」,但我不會寫出來。
喬巴他自己也很清楚,該當先發就是先發,該當牛就當隻牛,麋鹿永遠都是麋鹿。
這種鄉民嘴砲到爛的議題(SP/RP)我不想討論,想看這種文章的請按左鍵。
: Now, let’s compare Joba from September this year to Joba back in the middle
: of last season…
讓我們現在來看看喬巴去年季中之後到今年九月的表現吧!!
: 2008 Joba is on the left, 2009 Joba is on the right. First thing I notice are
: the hands…as Joba lifts his knee, the hands in 2009 lift with it while in
: 2008 they stay steady. That’s why in 2009, at the point the knee starts to
: drop, Joba’s hands are up by his head and in 2008 they are out in front of
: his chest. So right off the bat, we see a subtle change that might have an
: impact on his timing.
我把一台電視放左邊,播2008喬巴投球錄影帶,
再把一台電視放右邊,播2009喬巴投球錄影帶。
看到這裡鄉民一定會覺得我家很有錢,我有兩台電視,我有鬍子我很帥。
總之,比較喬巴這兩年投球的樣子,我發現他的手怪怪的。
在喬巴抬起膝蓋的時候,2009的他會同時把兩隻手舉起來,
可是2008的他在抬起膝蓋的時候,兩隻手是保持不動的。
這就是為什麼在2009的時候,當喬巴開始把膝蓋放下時,
他的兩隻手都快舉到他頭上了,但在2008的時候只會舉起到胸前的高度。
所以站在打者的角度看,我們會發現他藏球的時機有著一點點的改變。
: Joba actually breaks his hands (when the ball breaks from the glove) a couple
: frames earlier in 2008 than 2009. In 2009, Joba lowers the hands and then
: breaks.
2008的喬巴,投球時把兩隻手打開(也就是把球從手套拿出來)的時間點,
要比2009的喬巴早一些。在2009,因為喬巴兩隻手跟著膝蓋舉起來,
所以他得先把手放下,然後才把球拿出來。
: In 2008, Joba broke his hands and then they kinda hover there. This is
: something I detailed last time I looked at Chamberlain. It’s an adjustment I
: think he made in hopes of improving his timing, which in turn would help his
: command. The hands hovered as Joba started striding.
在2008,喬巴把球拿出來,握球的右手會稍稍停在那一會兒,這件事我之前說過了。
我猜那是他的一種自我調整,讓他投球的手可以掌握好放球時機,以幫助控球。
鄉民可以自己去看原文連結,長襪版喬巴把球拿出來時,右手會橫在那停兩格。
2009的喬巴則是把球拿出來幾乎直接讓右手往下垂,沒有手臂橫在那停格的階段。
: In 2009, the hands also hover, but they don’t hover for as long a period.
: The reason for this is because his hands are higher from the start, so the
: time it took for them to lower ate into the time that his hands were supposed
: to hover. Hopefully that make sense.
在今年,也就是2009,他還是讓手在空中停一下,只是這一下沒有像過去那麼久。
啊我之前就講了啊,老師有講你有沒有聽?? 有聽就知道理由啦!!
因為他今年抬起膝蓋的時候(開始投球動作)會把手一起舉起來,
所以要多花時間放下來,啊當然在拿出球的時候就沒空停這麼久了咩...
這麼簡單的事我都可以寫這麼多字,還寫得超有道理的,我覺得我好厲害。
: Now, there are postural, hip turn, and arm action difference. Here are some
: of those changes…
好啦~ 接下來我要寫的是關於喬巴的投球姿勢、扭腰跟揮臂動作,
在2008和2009兩年有什麼差異。
(鬍子梗太多好像就low了,所以接下來的翻譯決定不再使用鬍子梗。)
: 1. Chamberlain in 2008 is a bit more seated.
1.喬巴在2008年投球時蹲得比較低。
: 2. Take the clip below and watch the front leg…
: It looks like there is a bigger, more forceful step over move in 2008. That
: is something that could make an impact from a velocity standpoint.
: In fact, just comparing his pitches from his last start, when he would throw
: in the upper 80’s – low 90’s, there was less of step-over move than when
: he threw 93 or 94.
2.請各位瞧瞧他投球時的前腳...
(原文有動態照片,不過他的左右似乎放反了,長襪版的應是2008喬巴。)
他在2008年投球時的跨步比較大,跨得又兇猛又有氣勢。
請不要小看這小小一步,正所謂釘子鬆了就打造不了好馬蹄鐵,
沒有好馬蹄鐵馬兒跑步就跑不好,馬兒跑不好就送不了信,
信沒送到將軍手裡,就會打輸戰爭... (詳情請見《東京甩尾》)
反正這一步就是會影響到喬巴的球速啦!!!
事實上,光看喬巴最近一次的比賽就可以觀察到這個差異:
當他跨步比較小時,球速大約在90英哩上下跑;
當他跨步比較大時,球速會來到93或94英哩。
: 3. For the clips below, focus on the arm action…
: In the 2008 version, as Joba is making that step-over move, watch the arm
: action really start to load. The elbow goes up with a little bend.
: Compare it to 2009…the arm swings back a bit, but it’s still pretty
: straight and it hasn’t really begun to load. So Joba loads his arm later in
: the process and this creates a timing problem.
3.再來看看他的揮臂動作...
2008版的喬巴在右手從手套抓出球時,手肘順勢向上,手臂呈現些許的彎曲。
2009版的喬巴右手拿出球時,會向後多伸一點,手臂呈現直直往後揮的樣子,
看起來他根本還沒開始用力,所以喬巴在2009年投球時右手比較晚開始用力,
這也造成了一些投球時機的問題。
(譯者妄想: 我不知道我的理解對不對,但我是這樣看的。
請仔細看喬巴拿出球時的動作,也就是小白球在最低點時的右手。
2008版的右手有點彎曲,看起來像是手肘帶動手臂往上揮,手臂已經開始用力;
2009版的右手一開始是直直垂下的,看起來像是由抓球的手掌帶動手臂往上揮,
這時候的手臂還是比較放鬆的狀態,肌肉還沒開始用力,也就是還沒load。)
: Now, I think a pitcher’s “timing” is subjective. Some regard a problem in
: timing as just the throwing arm not being vertical prior to the front foot
: landing. That’s not really true, however.
我認為,評論一個投手在投球動作的時間點問題是很主觀的。
有些人認為這類問題通常是指: 在揮臂動作中,右手從身體後面拉起來,
手臂彎曲,使上下臂呈現垂直的那個時間點,是否在自由腳踏地之前。
喔... 這並不是絕對正確的真理。
(譯者註: 老實說這段我用猜的成分大於翻譯的成分,其實我看不大懂orz)
: I’ll keep try to keep this simple because there are a lot of variables here…
: despite the fact that Joba has always been borderline as to whether he gets
: the arm up to vertical before the front foot lands, he’s been able to
: generate pitches of high velocities and command them for the most part. When
: you’re able to combine high velocities with command, it’s a sign of
: mechanical efficiency, not a problem in timing. Proper timing for one pitcher
: may not be proper timing for another.
我會試著把話講得簡單一點,即使這東西牽扯一大堆有的沒的因素...
(譯者註: X的!! 這篇文章有夠繞口令的,你現在才想到要講點單一點!!)
儘管喬巴在「右手臂抬起呈垂直 必須早於 自由腳踏地」這件事上做得馬馬虎虎,
有時候會做到有時候不會,但他的確有能力在大部分的時候把球投得又快又準。
當你有能力把球投得又快又準,那就表示你的投球機制很有效率,
問題並不是出在那個「右手臂抬起呈垂直 必須早於 自由腳踏地」的時機問題。
投球動作裡,每個動作都有所謂正確適當的「時機」,
或許這些正確的「時機」對某些投手來說正確,對某些人則不然。
: But what happens when something is altered in a mechanically efficient
: pitcher? It’s what you’d expect…you see a decline in velocity and a
: deterioration of command…in Joba’s case, the arm is later in 2009. The
: timing of each sequence in the kinetic chain is thrown off.
那麼,當一個投球機制沒有問題的投手,在投球動作上有了小變化時,
會發生甚麼事咧?? 沒錯,各位鄉民一定都猜到了,你知道我知道獨眼龍也知道,
你會看到這個投手的球速降低外加控球變差。(譯者註: 真的是廢話...)
以喬巴來說,他在2009年手臂開始用力的時間遲了一點點(請看上述第3.點),
開始就遲了一點點,後面的一切當然也跟著遲了一點點,於是,
整個投球動作裡,每件事情都遲了一點點。
: So what advice do I have for Joba? It’s pretty simple…go back to what made
: you successful. Sit down a little more, keep your hands low, aggressively
: step-over into foot plant, and the timing should correct itself. The changes
: themselves won’t be too hard to implement, but Joba has to know what’s
: wrong first.
所以咧... 你問我有什麼建議可以給喬巴?? 吼~ 這麼簡單的問題你還問我。
我都嘴砲這麼多了,結論當然要又帥氣又有詩意外加餘音繞樑三日不絕於耳,
我的建議就是: 「找回那個過去成功的你。」
怎樣?? 帥吧?? 是不是等於沒講?? 是不是想用100mph的速球打我的頭??
拜託... 其實我就是要喬巴用2008那個方式投球啦!! 講得玄一點不行喔??
把上面寫過的那幾點看清楚,手不要跟著膝蓋一起抬高、蹲低一點、跨大步一點,
跨步的時候要面露殺氣,兇狠一點,給他跨出去不要怕,問題自然就會解決了。
這些問題不難解決,想改也很容易,問題是喬巴必須要聽進去我說的,
他必須知道他今年的投球方式錯在哪裡,就這麼簡單,洋基快點聘我當投教。
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終於翻完了,原來翻譯外電這麼累orz
很多原文看不太懂的地方,我是對照喬巴投球動作去猜的,
如果有謬誤請各位不吝指正。這種投球動作的小變化還真難觀察啊...
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