Re: [外電] Twenty-three guys better than Wang? …

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※ 引述《JilSander (Doer brokenheart)》之銘言： ※ [本文轉錄自 CMWang 看板] 作者: wesun (統一獅王重返榮耀^^) 站內: CMWang 標題: [外電] Twenty-three guys better than Wang? No chance 時間: Tue Apr 8 13:12:52 2008 網路上看到到的...不知道有沒有PO過我不會縮網址 sorry= =" http://www.bugsandcranks.com/new-york-yankees/twenty-three-guys-better-than-wang-no-chance/ My post about whether or not Chien-Ming Wang is an ace seems to have stirred up the passions on both sides. 關於我寫的文章探討小王究竟是不是Ace似乎引起了很大的討論, 無論這些討論是贊成或者是反對 ‘Chad’ goes so far as to take up my challenge to name 10 better starters — with stats — by dropping 23 names with ERA as his sole piece of evidence. Let’s be serious here and take Chad’s entire list, from my perspective, and I’ll tell you which pitcher I think is better right now. 查德(我猜是有人針對他前一篇評論Wang的文章作的回應)舉了23個他認為比小王好的先發投手,並且付上ERA以資證明.現在讓我們認真面對查德先生的這份名單,我將會闡述我的觀點並且告訴你,我認為那些投手目前確實是比小王好. Here is the list. 這裡是查德的名單 1. Jake Peavy 傑克皮維,教士隊 2. Johan Santana 猶漢山塔納,大都會隊 3. Josh Beckett 賈許貝克特,紅襪隊 4. CC Sabathia 西西薩巴西亞,印地安人隊 5. Erik Bedard 艾瑞克貝達德,水手隊 6. Brandon Webb 布蘭登韋伯,響尾蛇隊 7. John Smoltz 約翰史摩茲,勇士隊 8. Dan Haren 丹海倫,響尾蛇隊 9. Chris Young 克力士楊,教士隊 10. Cole Hamels 寇海默斯,費城人隊 11. John Lackey 約翰雷奇,天使隊 12. Gil Meche 吉兒梅許,皇家隊 13. Justin Verlander賈思汀瓦蘭德,老虎隊 14. Matt Cain 麥特該隱,巨人隊 15. Mark Buerhle 馬克柏里,白襪隊 16. Oliver Perez 歐力佛培瑞茲,大都會隊 17. Scott Kazmir 史考特凱茲摩,光芒隊 18. Kelvim Escobar 凱爾文愛思科巴,天使隊 19. Tim Hudson 提姆哈森,勇士隊 20. Chad Billingsley查德畢林思利,道奇隊 21. Roy Oswalt 洛伊奧士華,太空人隊 22. Fausto Carmona 法士多卡默納,老虎隊 23. Brad Penny 布瑞德潘尼,道奇隊 Now let’s go one-by-one and break it down, looking at their numbers from 2006 and 2007. Those are, in fairness to Wang, his only full major league seasons. 我們現在讓小王和這些投手比較一下2006及2007球季的數據, 這兩季是小王的完整球季,這樣比較會比較公平. 1. Jake Peavy vs. Wang — 19-6 with a terrific 2.54 ERA last season. But, 11-14 with a worse than league average 4.09 ERA in 2006. Oh, and in two post-season starts, an 0-2 record with a 12.10 ERA. Wang in those two years is 38-13, having lost fewer games in two seasons that Peavy did in one. Advantage: Wang 皮維在07球季有著恐怖的2.54自責分率以及19勝6敗的成績,但是06球季卻是11勝14敗高於聯盟平均的4.09自責分率,季後賽0勝2敗與高達12.10的自責分率. 而小王這兩季則是38勝13敗,兩季加起來輸的場數比皮維06年輸的還少小王占上風 2. Johan Santana — The Mets’ prized acquisition is clearly the best left-handed starter in the game (sorry, CC Sabathia). He has won 34 games in the past two seasons, and at least 15 in each of his four years as a starter. I’m not going to argue here, because Santan’s presence would make Wang a No. 2. One thing I will say, though, is a check of Santana’s post-season record reveals only a 1-4 career mark with a 3.97 ERA. So, regular season greatness does not always translate to post-season success. Advantage: Santana 大都會隊的山塔納無疑是當今最好的左投手(薩巴西亞抱歉囉). 這兩季共贏得34勝,而且作為一個先發投手,山塔納過去四年每季至少都有15勝. 毫無疑問的,在山塔那優異表現的面前,小王只能是個二號投手. 但我必須要說一句,季賽的好表現並不一定會帶來季後賽的成功. 你看看山塔納的季後賽表現也不過是1勝4敗,3.97的自責分率. 山塔納占上風 3. Josh Beckett — The only question there has ever been with Beckett has been health. He has answered that the last two seasons, pitching 200 or more innings each season. Beckett won 20 last year, but remember that he did post a 5.01 ERA in 2006. Still, his post-season work — 6-0 in 10 starts with a miniscule 1.73 ERA — separates him. Advantage: Beckett 過去貝克特唯一的問題是他的健康.過去兩季貝克特以每年至少200局的貢獻告訴大家 "我是健康寶寶"去年貝克特贏了20場,但請別忘記他06年5.01糟糕的自責分率.另外他每到季後賽就好像變成超人一樣,總共十次先發就贏了六場,而且自責分率是很變態的 1.73. 貝克特占上風 4. CC Sabathia — 19-7 last season with a 3.21 ERA while winning the Cy Young Award, but only 7 games over .500 in the three seasons prior to that. Oh, and what did CC do in the playoffs last season? A 5.40 ERA against the Yankees and 10.45 in two starts against Boston. Again, regular season success means nothing in the post-season. Sabathia pitched 241 innings last season, the first time since 2002 he topped the 200 mark. I need to see him do it again. Advantage: None 薩巴西亞去年以19勝7敗3.21的自責分率贏得了賽揚獎(後半句看不懂) 但是季後賽呢?對洋基的自責分率高達5.40,對紅襪的自責分率更是慘不忍睹的10.45. 再一次的,我們印證了"季賽的好表現並不一定會帶來季後賽的成功". 去年薩巴西亞一共投了241局,但這是他唯一投超過200局的一季,他必須持續證明他能夠吃下這麼多的局數. 平手 5. Erik Bedard — Bedard is a nice pitcher, and I give him tons of credit for going 28-16 over two seasons with the bumbling Orioles. His 3.16 ERA pitching largely in that bandbox in Baltimore — almost 1.5 runs below league average — is impressive. But, Bedard has never pitched 200 innings in a season and you can’t be an ace if you haven’t proven you can carry the workload — which he hasn’t. Also, despite his nice numbers can you name a meaningful game the guy has ever pitched in. Let’s see what he does this season with Seattle before we even consider Bedard for ‘ace’ status. Advantage: Wang 貝達德是個好投手,我可以為他背書,因為他居然能在三不五時就要大爆炸的金鶯隊裡取得過去兩季28勝16敗的成績.在大爆炸的金鶯隊裡,他的自責分率是3.16,甚至遠遠地低於聯盟平均達1.5分,這十分令人印象深刻.但是貝達德從來沒有在一季投超過200局, 如果他無法證明他能夠吃下這麼多局數,那麼他也無法成為真正的Ace. 而且在他這麼亮眼的數據中,你卻無法說出他有任何一場令人印象深刻的比賽. 再稱呼他為Ace之前,我想,我們先看看他在西雅圖的表現再說吧. 小王占上風 6. Brandon Webb — The reigning NL Cy Young Award winner is a sinkerballer and maybe the most similar guy to Wang on this entire list. Webb has won 34 games the past two seasons and has pitched at least 229 innings each of the past three seasons. He strikes out more hitters than Wang and gives up fewer hits, but I would like to see how he would fare against American League lineups. For now, though, I’d give him a slight edge. Advantage: Webb 韋伯是現任的國家聯盟賽揚獎得主,同時他也是這份名單中最性質最接近小王的人 ----伸卡球.韋伯過去兩季贏了34場,而且過去三年每年至少投229局.他比小王三振了更多的人,被打出更少的安打,可是,我很想看看如果是在美國聯盟的話,他還能有這樣的表現嗎? 但是就現在而言,我認為他還是贏了小王一丁點. 韋伯勝出! 7. John Smoltz –The Braves’ righty has been a great pitcher for a long time, there is no arguing that. He has won 30 games combined and pitched more than 200 innings in each of the past two seasons. He has been a terrific post-season pitcher as well, going 12-12 with a 2.65 ERA and four saves in 40 appearances. If I was choosing someone to build around I would take Wang. If I need someone to start one game, there is probably no one else I would rather give the ball to than Smoltz, who will soon be 41. Advantage: Smoltz 這位勇士隊的右投手長久以來毫無疑問的都有好的表現.過去兩季共贏得30場勝投而且每季都至少投200局以上,季後賽的表現更是棒得沒話說,在他40次的出賽中,一共是 12勝12敗4救援2.65的自責分率.如果要選球員來組成球隊,我會選王,但是如果只是選一個人來先發一場,沒有人可以取代史摩茲讓我將手中的球交給他,雖然他即將要41歲了史摩茲勝出! 8. Dan Haren — When was this guy ever the ace of any staff he has been on? He’s certainly not the ace this year in Arizona, so I’m not sure he should even be in this conversation. His 15-9 record last season was the most games he has ever won, and the first time in his career he has finished more than two games above .500. He’s a good pitcher and an innings-eater, having pitched at least 217 innings in each of his three full seasons, but that’s all. Advantage: Wang 什麼時候海倫兄擁有過Ace般的身手了?我很確定他不會是響尾蛇隊的Ace,我甚至不確定我該不該花時間在這裡討論他.去年他拿下15勝9敗的成績是他生涯最好的一次(我還是看不懂後面那句).他是個好投手也是個可以吃下很多局數的投手,過去三個完整球季裡他每季都至少能吃下217局,但就只有這樣而已. 小王輕鬆穫勝! (好累~有沒有人要接手) (待續) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 208.170.67.192

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