Re: [NFL!] PM和TB偉大程度？

看板NFL作者 (Benny Ice)時間10年前 (2016/02/08 18:31), 10年前編輯推噓19(19推 0噓 10→)
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※ 引述《owke (owke)》之銘言： : Hi,各位朋友,相信各位都還沉浸在這場極其精彩的SB50,筆者也是. : 雖然比賽尚未結束,但相信結果八九不離十,PM將拿下他生涯第二冠, : 不意外地他可能會退休,也是時候討論他的歷史地位了. : PM 超級盃兩冠(抱腿一冠),五次MVP,一次FMVP : TB 超級盃四冠(作弊一冠),兩次MVP,三次FMVP : 但PM同時還保有大量的例行賽記錄,這也是筆者猶豫之處, : 筆者想或許BF、AR這種franchise QB已無法和兩位legend相比, : 可兩者間卻很難分出高下, : 不知道各位認為? 本身為TB迷，但是我也是PM的愛好者 首先要先搞清楚的是 Peyton那不叫抱腿 而是因為Indy認為以當時Peyton所受的傷 讓人非常不放心 加上又要挑Luck當接班人 (以及cap的問題) 所以才會被Indy釋出 這跟抱腿相差甚遠 另外，Brady的作弊一冠 是指哪一座可以說清楚嗎? 如果是要提去年那一冠 憑良心講，就算是最死忠的小馬迷 都不認為Deflategate是被痛宰的主因 所以這邊我很想知道原PO到底是指哪一冠 要不然就只是潑墨汁罷了 如果論生涯季賽成績來說 Peyton的確遠勝過Brady 但是在此同時也要考慮到Brady以及Peyton 身邊有什麼武器? Brady是到了近十年 才有了像是Moss、Welker、Gronk等 極具破壞性的傳球目標 Peyton則是不斷有像是 Harrison、Wayne、Garcon、Thomas等咖 光是這就可以爭論很久 究竟是因為有Peyton/Brady 這些人才可以發光發熱? 還是因為這些接球大物 造就了兩位傳奇? 無論如何，這都是很有意思的討論 而在季後賽的部分 就戒指數來說 那就是Brady樂勝 但是如果只看H2H的話 其實是Peyton些微占優勢 甚至連兩位所得到的高層和教練 也對他們的生涯造成了不小的影響及變數 所以要直接評斷誰比較強 誰比較偉大 簡直是不可能的任務 總而言之 與其在這邊爭吵這兩位傳奇的高下 還不如替兩位陪伴我們十餘年 獻給我們無限驚奇及經典的大師 起立 鼓掌 致意 因為這兩位宿敵之間精采絕倫的對決 是如此珍貴 如此值得回味 而隨著Peyton的淡去 這一切 終將成為絕響 身為美足迷 如何不感慨? 如何不感傷? 如何不感動? Thank You, Peyton! Thank You, Tom! -- Don't ever think that the world owes you anything, because it doesn't. The world doesn't owe you a thing. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.42.64.89 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NFL/M.1454927503.A.652.html
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02/08 18:35, , 1F
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02/08 18:37, , 2F
Push
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02/08 19:06, , 3F
太謙虛了，雖然我不喜歡TB，但TB是跟Montana在爭GOAT
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02/08 19:07, , 4F
Manning贏了這座後，大概有機會爭前五名吧
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02/08 19:34, , 5F
個人喜好一回事,成就又是一回事
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02/08 20:12, , 6F
Montana still the GOAT 100% winning percentage in SB
02/08 20:12, 6F
Agree...but he did have Jerry Rice XD
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02/09 00:51, , 7F
我也是TB迷，也極為敬重PM
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02/09 00:54, , 8F
推 TB迷+1 但是請尊重PM 兩個真的無法比較 各有擅長地方
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02/09 00:58, , 9F
推這篇 戰這個沒意思 都是偉大四分衛
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02/09 01:07, , 10F
今天的表現就是抱防守組的大腿啊
02/09 01:07, 10F
TB去年某種程度也是靠防守喔.......
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02/09 01:37, , 11F
Manning!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TB也ＯＫ啦
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02/09 01:37, , 12F
H2H的話，單看數據Brady的平均rating是比較高的。
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02/09 02:05, , 13F
Manning季賽強 Brady季後賽強 但對戰結果相反
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02/09 02:20, , 14F
很替 Manning 高興.. 但是 the argument of Brady vs Peyton
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02/09 02:21, , 15F
"was" over last year, even if Brady retires today.
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02/09 10:56, , 16F
@oplz i think it depends on how you think about the
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argument
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※ 編輯: BHviolin88 (114.42.64.89), 02/09/2016 11:05:59
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02/09 11:08, , 18F
提到PM就是PM，提到TB就要提到BB，更不用說帶著*
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02/09 13:07, , 19F
Montana won 2 SBs prior to Jerry Rice. Every QB he beat
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in SB is in the Hall of Fame (Elway, Ken Anderson,
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02/09 13:08, , 21F
Boomer, & Marino). Brady needs to win another SB to
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02/09 13:08, , 22F
separate him from Montana in the GOAT conversation.
02/09 13:08, 22F
KA and Boomer not in HoF but respectable careers... Marino and Elway games were mismatches because of defense Not saying that Montana isn't great...But the 49ers were just too good. So it's difficult to say that if the QB weren't Montana,the 49ers of 80s would not win.
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02/09 13:35, , 23F
3跟5F的說法就總結了
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※ 編輯: BHviolin88 (114.42.64.89), 02/09/2016 16:36:41
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02/09 17:02, , 24F
ah... my mistake. Just saying that Brady needs another
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ring to conclusively seal the deal being the GOAT. Now
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02/09 17:03, , 26F
it's more like 1 and 1A. Some say TB is 1, some say 1A.
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02/09 17:04, , 27F
It's just a shame that he missed the chance winning at
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his hometown this time...
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Agree...Though the two super bowl losses (at least 42) were kind of unlucky Eli Manning happened...... I thought the crowd was surprissingly hostile to him yesterday...... ※ 編輯: BHviolin88 (114.42.64.89), 02/09/2016 17:15:23
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02/09 17:35, , 29F
I've my explanation, but I'm not gonna say it here. ha~
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