[外絮] 投票者回顧了15年FMVP投票的情形

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記者Howard Beck在最新的一期專題報導裡,針對所有2015年總決賽的投票者進行採訪,回 顧當時投票的情形。IGGY得到7票當選總決賽MVP,LeBron得到4票,Curry得到0票。 Stein: Very seriously. Those Warriors revolved around Steph and frankly they sti ll do. But I ultimately went with Iguodala, because he changed the series when h e became a starter. People forget he scored 25 points in the clinching Game 6 wi n. People also forget that the Warriors were a shaky mess at 2–1, down against a heavy underdog that won TWO games without Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving to take a series lead. Iguodala changed the series, and that's why he got my vote. Stein: 勇士以Curry為中心,他們現在仍然如此。 但我最終選擇了IGGY,因為他成為先發 後改變了這個系列賽。 外界都忘記了他在G6中得到了25分。 人們也忘了勇士系列賽1-2落 後的爛攤子,面對沒有Love和KI的實力佔下風的弱隊,而那樣的騎士贏得了兩場比賽,取得 系列賽的領先。但IGGY改變了這個系列賽,這就是為什麼他得到了我的選票。 Lowe: Very seriously. If I had voted for a Warrior, I’d have voted for Curry. I just thought what LeBron did, getting that Cavs team without Kyrie Irving and K evin Love a 2–1 lead—and keeping them competitive in all but one of their four losses—was pretty remarkable. Too many people focus on LeBron’s shooting perc entages in that series, which were not great. They weren’t horrid either, and h e was doing pretty much everything. Lowe:如果我要投票給勇士,我會投給Curry。 我只是認為LeBron所做的,他讓沒有KI和Lov e的騎士以2-1領先,並且在四場失利中保持了他們的比賽競爭力,這是非常了不起的表現。 太多人關注在LeBron在那個系列賽中的投籃命中率並不是很好。 但那個數據也不糟糕,而 他幾乎做了所有的事情。 Spears: There was no other NBA Finals MVP, All-Star MVP or final season award vo te that I have agonized over more than this one. There was not a lot of time to think about it, either. Ultimately, the defensive impact of Iguodala on LeBron s wayed me. Spears:沒有任何一個NBA總決賽MVP、全明星MVP或賽季末的獎項投票比這次更讓我苦惱。 我也沒有多少時間去思考這件事。 最終,IGGY在防守端對LeBron的影響動搖了我。 Berger: For me, LeBron was the runaway leader in the clubhouse after the first t hree games. How could he not have been after putting up 44-8-6 in 45 minutes, 39 -16-11 in 50 minutes, and 40-12-8-4 in 46 minutes? Steph was the best player on the Warriors through three games ... but not even close to the best player in th e series. The series changed when Steve Kerr inserted Iguodala into the starting lineup in Game 4. In that pivotal game, LeBron was human (20-12-8 in 40 minutes ) as the Warriors tied the series at 2–2 and avoided the dreaded 3–1 deficit. So at that point, Curry was a distant second to LeBron in my MVP thoughts. Berger: 對我來說,LeBron在前三場比賽後是選票的領先者。 他在45分鐘內打出44分8籃板 6助攻、50分鐘內打出39分16籃板11助攻、46分鐘內打出40分12籃板8助攻4抄截的表現,他 怎麼可能不是呢? 而Curry在前三場過後都是勇士隊內最好的球員……但離系列賽最佳球員 還差得遠。 當Kerr在G4將IGGY放進先發陣容後,這個系列賽發生了變化,勇士以2-2追平系 列賽,避免了可怕的1-3落後。 所以在那個時候,在我的MVP評選中,Curry是遠遠落後於Le Bron。 Lloyd: If the Cavs had gotten it to a Game 7 and stretched the series as far as it could go (as Jerry West did the year he won it in a losing effort), LeBron wo uld’ve gotten my vote, regardless. The fact the Cavs lost in six, and three str aight to end the series, eliminated him from my ballot. So then it became Steph or Iggy. The fact remains the entire series swung on Iggy entering the Warriors ’ starting lineup. When Iguodala was off the court in these Finals, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs outscored the Warriors by 30 points. When Iguodala was on the court, he was James’s primary defender and LeBron shot 38%—and the Warriors ou tscored the Cavs by 55. Without Iguodala, the Cavs win the series. That’s prett y valuable to me, even if it doesn’t fit the narrative today. Lloyd:如果騎士能打到第七場,把系列賽拉長(就像Jerry West當年在輸球的情況下贏得總 決賽MVP那樣),不管結果如何,LeBron都會得到我的選票。 事實上,騎士在六場過後失利 ,並以三連敗結束了系列賽,這使得他從我的選票中消失了。 然後就變成了Curry和IGGY之 間的抉擇。 事實上,整輪系列賽都取決於IGGY是否進入先發陣容。 當IGGY不在場上的時候 ,Lebron的命中率達到了44%,騎士比勇士多得了30分。 當IGGY在場上的時候,他是Lebron 的主要防守球員,Lebron的命中率為38%,勇士比騎士多得55分。 沒有IGGY,騎士就會贏得 那輪系列賽。 這一點對我來說很有價值,即使它不符合現今的輿論導向。 Aschburner: I considered Curry as seriously as any of the players in that series . I think I heard the Iguodala chatter, but wasn’t persuaded. My view of Curry was that he had been good, but not GREAT, and had had plenty of help at various points in the series. Meanwhile, LeBron had little or no help with Kyrie out aft er one game and Kevin Love not available at all. Aschburner:我認真的考慮過Curry。我聽到了一些關於IGGY的議論,但我沒被說服。 我對C urry的看法是,他表現不錯,但並不偉大,而且他在系列賽的各個階段都得到了很多幫助。 與此同時,在KI打完G1報銷之後,LeBron幾乎沒有得到任何幫助,而Love也完全不能上場 Simmons: I barely considered Curry, but I definitely waffled on whether I was vo ting for the NBA Finals’ best player or most valuable player. LeBron James was clearly the best player in the series, and Andre Iguodala was clearly the most v aluable player to the winning team in the series. Curry was ultimately not part of my choice, even with the understanding that he got the Warriors to a place th at they hadn’t been for 40 years. He simply was not among the most impactful pl ayers in that best-of-seven series, and I believe that’s what I was called to v ote on. Simmons:我幾乎沒有考慮過Curry,但我肯定是在為NBA總決賽最佳球員還是最有價值球員而 投票感到糾結。 LeBron顯然是這輪系列賽中最好的球員,而在獲勝的隊伍裡IGGY是最有價 值的球員。 Curry最終不是我選擇的一部分,即使我知道是他讓勇士達到了40年來從未達到 的水準。 在那輪七戰四勝的賽制的系列賽中,他根本不是最有影響力的球員之一,我相信 這就是我進行投票時考慮的原因。 Amick: After three games, it just felt like LeBron was eviscerating the Warriors ; and more importantly, that Steph was getting mauled in this matchup, and he ha d a really bad Game 2. Games 1 and 3 looked fine in the box score, but defensive ly, he was getting picked on a bit. The thing that gets overlooked a bit is that when (Andrew) Bogut was in there, it was inviting the Cavs to trap with Tristan Thompson and making life really tough on Steph. So when Iguodala entered the st arting lineup in Game 4, it wasn’t just a case of slowing LeBron a little bit, it was also that on the offensive end, he was spacing the floor and making thing s easier on Steph. Amick:三場比賽之後,感覺LeBron就像是在摧毀勇士;更重要的是,Curry在這輪對位中受 到了重創,他在G2打得非常糟糕。 他在G1和G3的數據看起來不錯,但在防守端,他受到了 一些批評。 有一件事被忽視了,當Bogut在場上的時候,這是在歡迎騎士利用TT上前包夾, 這讓Curry變得很艱難。 所以,當IGGY在G4進入先發陣容時,這不僅僅是在防守端限制了Le Bron,而且在進攻端,他還拉開了空間,讓Curry打得更輕鬆。 Van Gundy: I thought it was clear cut (for James). And then the next clear-cut o ne was, if it was from the Warriors, it was Curry. But you’re also happy for a guy like Iguodala, who’s had a terrific career, and he played great. My second pick would have been Curry. Sometimes when you don’t play to the level—this in credibly high level of expectation that he’s created for himself—you get overs crutinized. And I think that’s been him a lot in his career. Van Gundy:我認為這很明顯(投詹姆斯)。 然後下一個明確的人選是Curry。 但你也會為IG GY這樣的人感到高興,他有一個偉大的職業生涯,他發揮得很好。 我的第二順位應該是Cur ry。 有時候,當你沒有達到預期時——這是他為自己創造的高得難以置信的期望,你就會 被過度審查。 我認為這在他的職業生涯中反覆發生。 https://pse.is/49m7nz -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 101.137.213.65 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1655053125.A.0E8.html

06/13 01:03, 1年前 , 1F
一堆人在鬼扯,如果說沒有IGGY勇士會輸,那沒有CUR
06/13 01:03, 1F

06/13 01:03, 1年前 , 2F
RY勇士可能被橫掃,況且一個防守球員取代性遠比戰
06/13 01:03, 2F

06/13 01:03, 1年前 , 3F
術核心高
06/13 01:03, 3F

06/13 01:05, 1年前 , 4F
投給LBJ更可愛,有沒有LBJ騎士都會輸,這不是自打
06/13 01:05, 4F

06/13 01:05, 1年前 , 5F
嘴巴
06/13 01:05, 5F

06/13 01:06, 1年前 , 6F
誰不會維護過往的說法 不然就自打臉了
06/13 01:06, 6F

06/13 01:06, 1年前 , 7F
實至名歸沒話說
06/13 01:06, 7F

06/13 01:06, 1年前 , 8F
原來有iggy沒iggy 差了6%命中率
06/13 01:06, 8F

06/13 01:06, 1年前 , 9F
沒有IGGY騎士會不會贏我不知道,但沒有Curry勇士100
06/13 01:06, 9F

06/13 01:07, 1年前 , 10F
%會輸
06/13 01:07, 10F

06/13 01:07, 1年前 , 11F
投給Kerr算了
06/13 01:07, 11F

06/13 01:07, 1年前 , 12F
IGGY跟Curry拿其實都合理就是了
06/13 01:07, 12F

06/13 01:08, 1年前 , 13F
只有Van Gundy還算說了句人話,對Curry標準太高
06/13 01:08, 13F

06/13 01:08, 1年前 , 14F
給lbj投20球會少進一個顆球
06/13 01:08, 14F

06/13 01:08, 1年前 , 15F
對缺KI和Love的騎士打到1:2落後,實在扣分太多
06/13 01:08, 15F

06/13 01:08, 1年前 , 16F
如果今年賽冠軍 Curry FMVP 有機會拿到幾張票嗎
06/13 01:08, 16F

06/13 01:08, 1年前 , 17F
有爭議也是難免
06/13 01:08, 17F

06/13 01:09, 1年前 , 18F
今年勇士贏Curry有87%全票FMVP吧
06/13 01:09, 18F

06/13 01:09, 1年前 , 19F
今年勇士如果冠軍咖哩沒FMVP那就真的很扯
06/13 01:09, 19F

06/13 01:09, 1年前 , 20F
就沒有強到無異議
06/13 01:09, 20F

06/13 01:10, 1年前 , 21F
Lloyd:小AI不在場上騎士多得30分在場上勇士多得55分
06/13 01:10, 21F

06/13 01:10, 1年前 , 22F
沒有curry 直接包一包回家了 管你多會守LBJ
06/13 01:10, 22F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 23F
光聽到這個講就覺得根本放屁了
06/13 01:11, 23F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 24F
如果圍巾接下來連爆三場35鎖死塔圖還有得選
06/13 01:11, 24F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 25F
面對澳洲人有一場三分2-15真的扣分很多
06/13 01:11, 25F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 26F
反正就X因子理論阿 小AI讓姆斯降低6%命中率所以他
06/13 01:11, 26F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 27F
是FMVP 我是不信其他年守對面主將的球員就沒有能降
06/13 01:11, 27F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 28F
低6%以上的
06/13 01:11, 28F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 29F
就是要投LBJ啦 講一堆廢話
06/13 01:11, 29F

06/13 01:11, 1年前 , 30F
當年小AI跟咖哩少一個都很難贏就是了
06/13 01:11, 30F

06/13 01:12, 1年前 , 31F
沒小AI勇士一樣回家啊
06/13 01:12, 31F

06/13 01:12, 1年前 , 32F
你不信就去查數據啊 我也想知道到底有沒有
06/13 01:12, 32F

06/13 01:12, 1年前 , 33F
其實就是大家都想投給Lebron,問題是他是敗隊球員
06/13 01:12, 33F

06/13 01:12, 1年前 , 34F
,那只好投給Lebron的主要防守者。
06/13 01:12, 34F

06/13 01:12, 1年前 , 35F
但是沒咖哩連冠軍賽都打不到吧XD
06/13 01:12, 35F

06/13 01:13, 1年前 , 36F
沒人說IGGY拿不合理 是Curry不至於0票吧
06/13 01:13, 36F

06/13 01:13, 1年前 , 37F
G大說法我信了
06/13 01:13, 37F

06/13 01:13, 1年前 , 38F
事實就是咖哩AI缺一不可 真正該怪的是跑票給LBJ
06/13 01:13, 38F

06/13 01:13, 1年前 , 39F
按照這標準 西決MVP該給77阿 他數據屌打curry
06/13 01:13, 39F
還有 975 則推文
06/13 12:24, 1年前 , 1015F
用他們的說法 重要改變賽局的綠葉有資格拿 那KI也
06/13 12:24, 1015F

06/13 12:25, 1年前 , 1016F
有機會
06/13 12:25, 1016F

06/13 12:25, 1年前 , 1017F
蛹迷真是灰小小,要魯到什麼時候啦,煩死人
06/13 12:25, 1017F

06/13 12:26, 1年前 , 1018F
你們以為花了這麼多時間在這個版黑白灰,會改變什
06/13 12:26, 1018F

06/13 12:26, 1年前 , 1019F
麼結果
06/13 12:26, 1019F

06/13 12:26, 1年前 , 1020F
不順你們的意就說記者都是腦殘,那你們又是什麼東
06/13 12:26, 1020F

06/13 12:26, 1年前 , 1021F
西啊
06/13 12:26, 1021F

06/13 12:31, 1年前 , 1022F
與其怪小ai&投票的,怎麼不檢討哭狸?當初kd都作球
06/13 12:31, 1022F

06/13 12:31, 1年前 , 1023F
讓哭狸了,結果爛泥扶不上牆一樣拿不到,真D爛
06/13 12:31, 1023F

06/13 12:34, 1年前 , 1024F
大家都知道要給Curry打Curry還打就會打得更困難啊!
06/13 12:34, 1024F

06/13 12:35, 1年前 , 1025F
所以說爭FMVP要的不見得利於贏球。拿有無FMVP回過頭
06/13 12:35, 1025F

06/13 12:35, 1年前 , 1026F
來當作總冠軍貢獻的指標是倒果為因。
06/13 12:35, 1026F

06/13 12:36, 1年前 , 1027F
還給Curry硬打
06/13 12:36, 1027F

06/13 12:37, 1年前 , 1028F
其實也是太重視數據表現而忽略實質影響的問題
06/13 12:37, 1028F

06/13 12:41, 1年前 , 1029F
論點看上去都很有理,但沒curry,可能一場都不會贏
06/13 12:41, 1029F

06/13 13:16, 1年前 , 1030F
沒事兒沒事
06/13 13:16, 1030F

06/13 13:27, 1年前 , 1031F
蛹迷繼續灰,你們不如拿這種盧小精神來幫今年的Cur
06/13 13:27, 1031F

06/13 13:27, 1年前 , 1032F
ry加油
06/13 13:27, 1032F

06/13 13:38, 1年前 , 1033F
記得小AI進很多高位中距離大空檔 因為人都去包Curry
06/13 13:38, 1033F

06/13 13:55, 1年前 , 1034F
沒咖哩連冠軍戰都沒有了,就噁心聯盟跟nike,還需要
06/13 13:55, 1034F

06/13 13:55, 1年前 , 1035F
吵什麼,看不懂?
06/13 13:55, 1035F

06/13 14:00, 1年前 , 1036F
結論:該年拿冠的勇士curry 0票,沒拿冠的LBJ有四
06/13 14:00, 1036F

06/13 14:00, 1年前 , 1037F
票。 這些投票者都是專業記者。
06/13 14:00, 1037F

06/13 14:10, 1年前 , 1038F
還在氣?這麼氣你可以當記者去投給咖哩啊
06/13 14:10, 1038F

06/13 14:13, 1年前 , 1039F
就算咖哩表現97分,但輸給別人98分就是輸,能有點
06/13 14:13, 1039F

06/13 14:14, 1年前 , 1040F
風度嗎
06/13 14:14, 1040F

06/13 14:14, 1年前 , 1041F
系列賽表現最好就是姆斯,拿四票也符合
06/13 14:14, 1041F

06/13 14:16, 1年前 , 1042F
咖哩就算0票也不代表沒人看到他重要性,他就是輸給A
06/13 14:16, 1042F

06/13 14:16, 1年前 , 1043F
i跟姆斯罷了
06/13 14:16, 1043F

06/13 14:58, 1年前 , 1044F
Curry得到很多幫助真的是幹話
06/13 14:58, 1044F

06/13 15:22, 1年前 , 1045F
狗屁不通
06/13 15:22, 1045F

06/13 16:28, 1年前 , 1046F
解釋的很合理中肯啊 怎麼一堆人氣成這樣XDD
06/13 16:28, 1046F

06/13 19:39, 1年前 , 1047F
照這種選X因子的邏輯 暴龍FMVP應該是VV吧
06/13 19:39, 1047F

06/13 19:40, 1年前 , 1048F
場均23的不選 選一個突然表現出乎意料的
06/13 19:40, 1048F

06/13 19:45, 1年前 , 1049F
過這麼久柯粉還在耿耿於懷哦
06/13 19:45, 1049F

06/13 20:52, 1年前 , 1050F
這話題竟然有JT 什麼咖 怎麼敢的啊
06/13 20:52, 1050F

06/13 23:19, 1年前 , 1051F
沒小AI勇士未必會贏,沒Curry必輸。然後Curry只拿0
06/13 23:19, 1051F

06/14 07:16, 1年前 , 1052F
代言廠商的問題啦xd
06/14 07:16, 1052F

06/15 23:26, 1年前 , 1053F
那2014沒可愛未必贏沒TD必輸所以fmvp該還TD了吧
06/15 23:26, 1053F

06/17 20:01, 1年前 , 1054F
NIKE養的*?
06/17 20:01, 1054F
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