[專欄] 2K19看不到Barkley和R.Miller的原因

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http://0rz.tw/yjwLe Why You (Probably) Will Not See Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller in NBA 2K19 看了這篇文章覺得挺有趣 還有介紹NBA遊戲發展的一些歷程 跟大家分享 以下無逐句翻譯 僅簡單挑重點 翻譯如有問題請指教 The NBA 2K franchise prides itself on realism—so much so, that it markets itself more as a basketball simulator than a video game. But the NBA is defined by its personalities—athletes who love to play the hero or play the villain. Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller fall into the latter group; they were outsized antagonists in an outsized sports league. And because of this, their 'here again, gone again' appearances in NBA 2K have become glaring. 老巴和神米無疑是NBA中最著名的反派角色 因此他們在NBA 2K時而出現 時而消失就顯得引人注目 Will Reggie Miller or Charles Barkley be in NBA 2K19? We reached out for confirmation, and Barkley's camp had no comment. Miller's camp didn't respond. 2K Games demurred, stating they weren't ready to announce classic lineups or commentary teams for the upcoming game, due out September 11. 老巴和神米會出現在2k19中嗎?老巴不予置評 神米沒有回應 2K團隊則表示他們還沒準備好何時宣布2K19中的經典陣容或傳奇隊伍 We'll know soon enough, but don't hold your breath. Miller hasn't been playable in the NBA 2K franchise since 2K5 (2004). In NBA 2K18 (2017), he was absent from the All-Time Pacers team. His '99-'00 Pacers team, which went to the NBA Finals, wasn't a selectable classic lineup. And despite being a TNT commentator, The Knick-Killer's voice was nowhere to be heard in-game. 我們很快就會知道 但別太驚訝 早從2K5之後 玩家就已經無法選擇神米了 2K18中他也沒有在All-Time Pacers team中 玩家也無法選擇99-00那隻闖進總冠軍戰的溜馬隊 雖然神米是TNT評論員 但遊戲中聽不到這位尼克殺手的聲音 Barkley was playable in 2K13 and 2K17 as a member of the 1992 Dream Team. But in 2K18, he was absent from the All Time Suns team, and there are no Suns classic lineups from his era. Sir Charles' absence on commentary is even more glaring than Miller's; the other three hosts of Inside the NBA—Ernie Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kenny Smith—run the pregame and postgame shows without him. 在2K13和2K17中可以在92年夢幻一隊中找到老巴 但在2K18中他沒有出現在All Time Suns team中 也沒有他那時代的太陽隊經典陣容 The first NBA-licensed basketball game, NBA Basketball (1980) had no team names and no player names. But starting in the mid-'80s, developers licensed the biggest stars, which led to single/dual player-featured games like One on One: Dr. J vs. Larry Bird (1983), Jordan vs. Bird: One on One (1988) and Magic Johnson's Fast Break (1988). 第一個NBA授權的遊戲NBA Basketball (1980)中沒有隊伍和選手的名字 到了80年代中期 遊戲廠商獲得巨星的授權 得以推出一些一對一的遊戲 如J博士v.s大鳥 老喬V.S大鳥 魔術的快攻等 Developers made a leap with Lakers versus Celtics and the NBA Playoffs (1989), the first game to include multiple teams and multiple NBA stars such as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird. These appearances were negotiated individually, apart from the NBA Players Association (NBPA)—the union that represents active NBA players. 1989年廠商推出Lakers versus Celtics and the NBA Playoffs 有了大幅的進展 這是第一個包括數隻隊伍和多位球星(如MJ 魔術和大鳥)的遊戲 值得注意的是他們得以在遊戲中出現是廠商透過與個別球員協商 而非透過NBPA(代表現役球員的機構)進行 Things got hairy when Midway released NBA Jam (1993) in the arcades. For the first time, there was a glaringly notable holdout: Jordan. The greatest active player in the NBA, who helped make flashy dunks and hangtime a cultural phenomena, was somehow absent from the most notable game. Why? 當Midway在1993年推出NBA Jam時 情況變得更詭譎 因為當時NBA最偉大的球員 將灌籃和滯空能力變成一種藝術的Jordan 竟然不在這個最受矚目的遊戲裡面 為什麼? Jordan, the most coveted player off the court, had opted out of the NBPA licensing agreement to negotiate all his deals separately. And weeks before NBA Jam debuted, Jordan pulled out of all NBA licensed products because they conflicted with his Nike deal. There was nothing Midway could do to enforce his commitment. MJ選擇跳出NBPA 個別與廠商協商他的所有合約 就在NBA JAM發售的幾個星期前 由於和他與NIKE的合約有利益上的衝突 MJ選擇退出所有NBA授權的商品 因此Midway無法要求MJ The '90s weren't completely void of Michael Jordan in video games, however. He had his own video game, Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City, a side-scroller where you'd play as MJ and throw an assortment of different-powered basketballs at skeletons and spiders. For the next several years, developers used underhanded tactics to "sneak" Jordan into the game, whether through cheat codes, or by designating a shooting guard on the Bulls named "M. Guard" or "Roster Player," with no corresponding picture and high offensive ratings. His Airness wouldn't permit his likeness in a video game until 1999, with the release of NBA Live 2000. Nowadays, Jordan is signed exclusively to 2K Sports, and he credited their accuracy and attention to detail in a 2011 interview with ESPN: 儘管如此 90年代的遊戲並非完全沒有MJ的存在 他有他自己的遊戲Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City 在這個卷軸遊戲中玩家將扮演MJ 丟擲具有不同威力的籃球來消滅骷髏頭和蜘蛛 接下來幾年 廠商用了一些策略 如修改程式碼或創造名為"M. Guard" or "Roster Player"的球員 想辦法讓MJ進入遊戲中(當然就沒有照片 進攻數值也無法很高)_ 在1999年的NBA LIVE2000發售前 MJ的照片是無法出現在遊戲中的 現在MJ完全專屬於2K 他相當肯定2K的精確與對細節的注意 The only other notable omissions from NBA Jam were Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal, who were available to play on the arcade versions, but were removed from the Tournament Edition home console versions This was likely due to legal conflict. Barkley was starring in a bizarre RPG game called Barkley Shut Up and Jam! (1993), and Shaq was starring in a game called Shaq Fu (1994), which was as terrible as it sounds. Miller, lacking the notoriety of either man, never had a game conflict—he appeared in all versions of NBA Jam. NBA JAM中另外兩個消失的球員是老巴和歐肥 這是因為老巴有自己的rpg遊戲 BarkleyShut Up and Jam! (1993) 歐肥也有Shaq Fu(1994) 神米沒這兩個來得惡名昭彰 沒有遊戲的衝突 因此在各版的NBA JAM中都有他 The NBPA represents active players, and it is probably not a coincidence that both Miller and Barkley's video game appearances petered out after their retirements. Miller's last home console appearance was in NBA 2K5 (2004); he retired at the end of the 2004-2005 NBA season. And prior to his Dream Team appearances, Barkley's last home console appearance was in NBA 2K1 (2000) as a member of the 80's East team; he retired at the end of the 1999-2000 NBA season. Barkley's unexpected appearances in 2K13 and 2K17 only occurred due to JAY-Z's intervention. Hov was an executive producer of 2K13, and according to a Game Informer interview with senior producer Rob Jones from 2012, he would not stand for Barkley's absence: NBPA代表現役球員 因此神米和老巴在退休後就不在出現於遊戲中也許不是巧合 神米最後一次出現是2004年的2K5 04-05球季後就退休了 老巴最後一次出現是在2000年的2K1(之後2K13 2K17出現在夢幻隊這兩次如不算的話) 99-00球季後老巴退休 之後老巴會在2K13和2K17中意外出現 是因為JAY-Z的介入 JAY-Z got on the phone with Barkley, and talked him into making an appearance. Because under its current agreement with the NBPA, 2K only has the rights to use the likenesses of active players who are under the union's licensing agreement. For retired players, 2K must either get permission from the NBA Retired Players' Association, or many times, in the case of bigger stars like Barkley and Miller, from the players themselves. JAY-Z打了電話給老巴說服他能在遊戲中出現 根據2K和NBPA的協議 他們只有使用現役球員照片的權利 對於退休球員 就必須獲得退休球員工會的授權 而對於老巴和神米這種巨星 更必須獲得他們親自同意授權 If Miller has a motivation for saying no, he's never said so publicly. Barkley, however, has been more outspoken about his reasons. He stated to Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck that he wants 2K to donate money to the NBA Retired Players Association in exchange for his commentator participation. He reiterated this claim on Inside the NBA and on the Bickley and Marotta Friday radio show in 2017, this time with more specificity. He wants there to be an annual donation: 神米至今從未公開說過為何他不願意授權 老巴對他的理由則直言不諱 他說他希望2K能捐錢給退休球員工會來換得他的加入 他在Inside the NBA和Bickley and Marotta Friday radio show節目中都再三強調過 這次更直接希望他們能夠有每年定期的捐獻 "What I think would be fair is, if they gave a million dollars—and I’d even let them keep the tax write-off—if they gave a million dollars a year to the retired players association that went to a good cause—health plans or something like that or just gave them money to help them get on their feet, I ’d let them use my likeness in a heartbeat." 老巴說:只要2K每年捐一百萬美元給退休球員工會 讓工會可以運用錢做些好事 如健康計劃之類的 或是幫助工會的發展 就可以得到我的肖像權惹 Unless JAY-Z or someone equally famous individual wants to convince Sir Charles otherwise, the ball, metaphorically, is in 2K's court. And through it all, there's an irony here. In a weird, counterintuitive manner, Miller and Barkley are in the game because you can't stop thinking about their absence. And at least in Barkley's case, that appears to be the point. 現況就是除非JAY-Z或其他名人願意出面說服老巴 否則就只能看2K願不願意接受老巴的提議了 但諷刺的是 因為玩家都會一直注意到老巴和神米在遊戲中的缺席 從另一個角度看 他們已經是在遊戲中了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.143.184.150 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1532229651.A.726.html

07/22 11:24, 6年前 , 1F
好文,推
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07/22 11:26, 6年前 , 2F
"It's in the game"
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07/22 11:27, 6年前 , 3F
這種2K文就能讓人接受 推
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07/22 11:27, 6年前 , 4F
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07/22 11:27, 6年前 , 5F
對小時候玩NBA遊戲裡Jordan叫Player的印象很深
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07/22 11:28, 6年前 , 6F
推推推
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07/22 11:34, 6年前 , 7F
支持使用者付費 QQ
07/22 11:34, 7F

07/22 11:39, 6年前 , 8F
jay-z:給我個面子
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07/22 11:39, 6年前 , 9F
記得NBA Live 2000的1990年代明星隊還有喬丹
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07/22 11:41, 6年前 , 10F
是NBA Live 2001才沒有他
07/22 11:41, 10F

07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 11F
其實玩家都能自己製作名單跟人物,數值跟面補也蠻
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07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 12F
像的,其實沒差
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07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 13F
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07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 14F
玩LIVE98,當時還以為不出MJ是怕公牛太強
07/22 11:42, 14F

07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 15F
不過我懶得去翻PS1遊戲光碟用PS2確認了
07/22 11:42, 15F

07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 16F
MJ都授權了,兩個沒戒指的也不知道在耍什麼大牌
07/22 11:42, 16F

07/22 11:42, 6年前 , 17F
2K最猛的是對於潛力球員的個別數值
07/22 11:42, 17F

07/22 11:43, 6年前 , 18F
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07/22 11:43, 6年前 , 19F
我推老巴 而且他是要求捐錢給工會
07/22 11:43, 19F

07/22 11:43, 6年前 , 20F
我印象中98也沒有MJ,99沒玩過,01好像就有了
07/22 11:43, 20F

07/22 11:44, 6年前 , 21F
01沒有經典球隊,記得只能在1vs1用一些神獸
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07/22 11:44, 6年前 , 22F
這其實就不只是遊戲,而是退休球員的授權與經紀考量
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07/22 11:44, 6年前 , 23F
這個推老巴
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07/22 11:45, 6年前 , 24F
然後我的98是用PC玩的不知道跟PS有沒有不一樣
07/22 11:45, 24F

07/22 11:45, 6年前 , 25F
早年NBA Live只選有歐肥的球隊 只要你掌握住他的手
07/22 11:45, 25F

07/22 11:45, 6年前 , 26F
感 中距離外線都能穩定進球
07/22 11:45, 26F

07/22 11:46, 6年前 , 27F
好文推推
07/22 11:46, 27F

07/22 11:46, 6年前 , 28F
我當時是用神米,我哥用老史互飆三分
07/22 11:46, 28F

07/22 11:49, 6年前 , 29F
Live 98應該還有喬丹 因為他該季現役球員
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07/22 11:49, 6年前 , 30F
好文給推 反觀
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07/22 11:50, 6年前 , 31F
現在玩家自製很多時候選秀結束都能第一時間玩到新秀
07/22 11:50, 31F

07/22 11:50, 6年前 , 32F
,臉用複製照片的貼圖大部分也比遊戲公司自己做的像
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07/22 11:50, 6年前 , 33F
對了!Live 2001打金手指喬丹就有在90年代明星隊
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07/22 11:53, 6年前 , 34F
LIVE98還99的國王隊韋伯強得跟鬼一樣
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07/22 11:53, 6年前 , 35F
我剛剛去查一下98真的沒有MJ,是89號的player
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07/22 11:55, 6年前 , 36F
Number 99
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07/22 11:55, 6年前 , 37F
然後99的MJ變99號的player
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07/22 11:57, 6年前 , 38F
原來我是玩過98 99,沒玩過00啊 0.0
07/22 11:57, 38F

07/22 12:00, 6年前 , 39F
2K不願幫助退役球員其實真的滿沒品 吃人夠夠
07/22 12:00, 39F
還有 60 則推文
還有 2 段內文
07/22 16:09, 6年前 , 100F
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07/22 16:09, 6年前 , 101F
2K 靠這些賺錢 給人家一點也不過份
07/22 16:09, 101F

07/22 16:26, 6年前 , 102F
100萬美金換一張肖像?盤子才會幹
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07/22 16:31, 6年前 , 103F
100萬美金 如果可以回收100萬以上效益呢
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07/22 16:53, 6年前 , 104F
在那邊嘴戒指的真的很可愛,呵呵
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07/22 16:53, 6年前 , 105F
就是你們這群人現在的價值觀才會是要抱團拿冠軍
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07/22 16:54, 6年前 , 106F
整體嘴戒指的人價值觀跟KD差不多啦
07/22 16:54, 106F

07/22 17:17, 6年前 , 107F
推 終於知道原因了
07/22 17:17, 107F

07/22 17:19, 6年前 , 108F
某人如果哪天出意外結果賺的錢全都在治療時用光窮困
07/22 17:19, 108F

07/22 17:19, 6年前 , 109F
潦倒那也是他沒好好理財活該
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07/22 17:20, 6年前 , 110F
這文就很明白了老巴又不在意那點小錢 但不是每個退
07/22 17:20, 110F

07/22 17:20, 6年前 , 111F
休球員都可以有安穩的下半生
07/22 17:20, 111F

07/22 17:38, 6年前 , 112F
其實新玩家也不會想玩老人... 2K自己一定調查過
07/22 17:38, 112F

07/22 18:04, 6年前 , 113F
live系列記得以前玩過Kobe單挑紅色光頭
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07/22 18:20, 6年前 , 114F
一堆人觀念很差,肖像給你做遊戲又不是義務,不爽
07/22 18:20, 114F

07/22 18:20, 6年前 , 115F
給還要被嘴大牌笑死
07/22 18:20, 115F

07/22 18:42, 6年前 , 116F
這種商業版權戰爭沒什麼對錯,利益為主,不爽給人用
07/22 18:42, 116F

07/22 18:42, 6年前 , 117F
是他的自由,遊戲公司不想付這筆費用也是遊戲公司的
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07/22 18:42, 6年前 , 118F
自由,玩家也有選擇是否買單(消費)的自由,沒有對錯
07/22 18:42, 118F

07/22 20:11, 6年前 , 119F
老巴當球評的年薪還比不少總教練高 也不用扛戰績
07/22 20:11, 119F

07/22 20:11, 6年前 , 120F
他只是想為那些退休不久就破產的人一些幫助
07/22 20:11, 120F

07/22 20:26, 6年前 , 121F
miller不給就算了吧 不過記得古早nba hang time有他
07/22 20:26, 121F

07/22 20:26, 6年前 , 122F
推老巴
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07/22 20:26, 6年前 , 123F
應該只有鐵粉有差
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07/22 20:28, 6年前 , 124F
然後2k都不太捐也是有點沒品 不是義務 但他賺多少錢
07/22 20:28, 124F

07/22 20:28, 6年前 , 125F
的公司…
07/22 20:28, 125F

07/22 23:21, 6年前 , 126F
2K有付肖像權費用給遊戲中使用的退休球員 過世的付
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07/22 23:22, 6年前 , 127F
給誰不知道 有可能已經有付退休球員工會了
07/22 23:22, 127F

07/22 23:23, 6年前 , 128F
可能是覺得1個人的肖像權就要付1百萬美金太高吧
07/22 23:23, 128F

07/22 23:26, 6年前 , 129F
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07/22 23:26, 6年前 , 130F
其實只是要捐工會的話 可以把付他的錢轉捐給工會
07/22 23:26, 130F

07/22 23:27, 6年前 , 131F
破局應該就只是這筆錢不會高到1百萬...
07/22 23:27, 131F

07/23 01:37, 6年前 , 132F
老巴幫其他沒那麼大咖的退休球星爭取錢很合理阿
07/23 01:37, 132F

07/23 02:05, 6年前 , 133F
我比較疑惑的是記得之前都可以自創球隊然後再複製球
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07/23 02:05, 6年前 , 134F
員到我這隊,現在好像變成只能換隊不能創球隊複製球
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07/23 02:05, 6年前 , 135F
員來了 不知道為什麼
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07/23 03:42, 6年前 , 136F
早期球員薪水很少,老巴希望可以多給他們一些照顧
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07/23 09:44, 6年前 , 137F
2k 已經變課金糞了 還不願意出錢拿肖像
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07/23 20:21, 6年前 , 138F
我都直接找玩家自製的名單
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07/24 04:46, 6年前 , 139F
我看我親戚小朋友2k都只玩宇宙勇
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