Re: [討論]不覺得irving的劇情很像當年的歐布情結嗎

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※ 引述《johncena (speshow)》之銘言: : 以上種種的情節 : 跟現在上演的irving交易案實在太像了 https://goo.gl/Gka532 OCTOBER 18, 2016 的文章,Tyronn Lue,騎士隊總教練,曾經也是歐布連線的隊友, 隨著湖人隊拿下總冠軍,比較 Shaq-Kobe、LeBron-Kyrie 這兩組搭檔: "I told him, 'You want to have a Kobe mentality?'" Lue recalled to Bleacher Report. "'Kobe didn't give a f--k. He don't care. Whatever the outside is saying, he don't care. Kobe's going to be Kobe.'" Lue: 「我告訴 KI,你想要有『Kobe 的心理素質?』」 「『Kobe 從不會管別人說他啥。他從不在意這些。 不管外界說他什麼,他都不在意,Kobe 就是專心做他自己。』」 "It's like it's the same," Lue said. "Shaq was already established and was older than Kobe, and he was the most dominant player in the league. And Kobe was always striving to be better—to be the best player ever. That was his goal. 「這狀況很雷同,」 「Shaq 當時已經揚名立萬,也較 Kobe 年長,而且他是聯盟中最有宰制力的球員。 而 Kobe 永遠在努力要變得更強 — 他想當史上最好的球員。那就是他的目標。」 "After winning the championship last year, Kyrie had the chance to go win the gold medal. Coming back this year, you can tell he's really worked on his game —and he's worked on his body. He wants to take that next step. He's very capable of doing it." 「騎士去年贏了冠軍之後,Kyrie 得到了一個贏取奧運金牌的機會。 而今年,你可以說他非常致力於他的比賽上 — 他已經在雕塑自己身型上做出努力, 他想要從現在的境界邁進下一步。而他也是非常有能力去做到這點。」 "Not at all," Lue said. "They have a great relationship, LeBron and Kyrie. LeBron's been like a big brother, bringing Kyrie along, teaching him how to be a professional and take care of his body, saving energy, eating better. Things like that that Kyrie didn't have before LeBron got here because they had a young team. 但 Lue 也認為狀況,並不全和 Shaq-Kobe 一樣: 「他們有非常好的關係,LeBron 和 Kyrie。」 「LeBron 就像是老大哥一樣,把 Kyrie 帶在身邊, 教導他怎麼成為一個職業球員,怎麼照顧好自己的身體,養精蓄銳,注重飲食。」 「這些都是以前沒有人告訴 Kyrie 的,因為當時他身處在一支非常年輕的隊伍。」 "LeBron has showed him the right way—and he has the respect of being a champion before and being the best player in the league for several years, carrying the league. What better mentor could you have?" 「Lebron 對他展現那些正確的方式 — 而他做為一名冠軍、做為數年來聯盟裡最好的球員,肩挑起整個聯盟,早已倍受尊重。」 「有什麼樣的導師會比他還要好呢?」 "He talks to Kobe a lot," Lue said. "Offensively, he has the same mentality as Kobe. Offensively, like Kobe, he doesn't have any weaknesses. He can go left, he can go right. Shoot pull-ups going right and left. Shoot behind the screen on threes. Catch-and-shoot. Post up. He has no offensive weaknesses. It is a comparison." 「KI 和 Kobe 談了很多,」 「在進攻上,他和 Kobe 有著同樣的心態。進攻上,就像 Kobe,他不存在弱點的。 他可以從左邊、可以從右邊。可以急停跳投,左右開弓。可以利用掩護投射三分, 可以C&S,可以個人單打。他沒有進攻上的弱點。這是一個對照。」 "It really is a lot of the same, because LeBron's been to six straight Finals; his body's been beat up," Lue said. "Shaq was the same way, being beat up through his career, and taking summers to relax and get his body right. LeBron never takes time off, but Shaq was really beat up over those years. 「兩組組合真的有很多相似之處, 因為 Lebron 已經連續六年闖進總決賽了;他的身體受了不少折騰。」 「Shaq 也一樣,在他的生涯中經歷這些,然後利用夏天讓他的身體恢復過來。 Lebron 幾乎不停下腳步,但是 Shaq 是真的在那幾年受盡折騰。」 "The Lakers coming back, bringing Shaq back slow, letting him get in shape in camp, it's kind of the same way with LeBron. Kyrie's already in shape because he played in the summer, and he's ready to go." 「湖人就這樣回到賽季,帶著調整狀態較慢的 Shaq,讓他在訓練營中找回狀態, 這和 Lebron 現在做的相似。而 Kyrie 已經備戰完畢,因為他整個夏天都在打球。」 「他已經準備好要衝了。」 Kobe聊起當年OK連線解散的原因 https://youtu.be/W_OtmygQAg0
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07/23 20:22, , 1F
都是得分手,這點倒是很像。
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07/23 20:25, , 2F
#相信老大
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07/23 20:30, , 3F
KI今年數據跟KB當年數據差不多
07/23 20:30, 3F

07/23 20:32, , 4F
防守差太多
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07/23 20:40, , 5F
KI現在還是比不上老大
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07/23 20:40, , 6F
現在打的節奏這麼快,數據好很多吧
07/23 20:40, 6F

07/23 20:41, , 7F
KI雙夾就噴球了 老大三夾之內都能出手
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07/23 20:43, , 8F
侮辱KI
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07/23 20:44, , 9F
Ki防守跟kobe等級差太多
07/23 20:44, 9F

07/23 20:48, , 10F
a1684114你講話可以講人話嗎
07/23 20:48, 10F

07/23 20:55, , 11F
有差不多嗎 KOBE24歲數據 30+6.9+5.9 ..
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07/23 20:55, , 12F
攻擊數據差不多 只是KB更好 那時shaq開始數據下滑
07/23 20:55, 12F

07/23 20:56, , 13F
我是看KB第六年跟KI第六年
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07/23 21:07, , 14F
a1684114 無腦亂噓真可悲 哈哈
07/23 21:07, 14F

07/23 21:09, , 15F
你們幹嘛跟邊緣人計較...人家好不容易出桶可以講話
07/23 21:09, 15F

07/23 21:26, , 16F
Kobe這年紀已經是一陣一防的常客了 KI還差很遠
07/23 21:26, 16F

07/23 21:32, , 17F
當年kobe真的比現在irving強很多
07/23 21:32, 17F

07/23 21:40, , 18F
平靜迷好生氣XD
07/23 21:40, 18F

07/23 21:41, , 19F
Shaq>LBJ Kobe>KI
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07/23 21:42, , 20F
我其迷 KI 跟 KB 差太多了 阿鼻地獄
07/23 21:42, 20F

07/23 21:49, , 21F
KI還是先去丹佛練一下,不然當不了KOBE
07/23 21:49, 21F

07/23 21:51, , 22F
不過 KI 三分 比Kobe準多了 Kobe才33%
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07/23 21:52, , 23F
以現代籃球 影響力來看 Kobe大概DDR強化版
07/23 21:52, 23F

07/23 21:59, , 24F
Kobe怎麼跟DDR類比 別開玩笑惹好嗎
07/23 21:59, 24F

07/23 22:02, , 25F
不愧是Liao 說出這種話真的不易外
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07/23 22:05, , 26F
ddr都能跟kobe比 太神啦
07/23 22:05, 26F

07/23 22:20, , 27F
三分不準 中距離強啊 哈哈哈 DDR強化版還嫌哦
07/23 22:20, 27F

07/23 22:21, , 28F
你還是去看看當年Kobe怎麼切馬刺雙塔的吧
07/23 22:21, 28F

07/23 22:22, , 29F
嘖嘖 連MJ都被三分迷 戰三分不準了 Kobe不能戰3
07/23 22:22, 29F

07/23 22:22, , 30F
分?
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07/23 22:22, , 31F
拿DDR這種東區過譽咖來比......
07/23 22:22, 31F

07/23 22:23, , 32F
東區的DDR、KI還有將渦真的很..........棒
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07/23 22:25, , 33F
影響力這樣看的廠廠
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07/23 22:26, , 34F
只看三分綜觀影響力
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07/23 22:26, , 35F
一下JR一下DDR 還有沒有啊XDD
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07/23 22:27, , 36F
ddr的切入差科比差蠻多的其實 他就是攻擊手段太少才
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07/23 22:27, , 37F
會在季後賽打那麼掙扎
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07/23 22:28, , 38F
他是說強化版啊 只是強化幅度有點大 www
07/23 22:28, 38F

07/23 22:29, , 39F
不愧4幸運JR
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07/23 22:33, , 40F
要看廖騎士說的強化是強化多少啦 搞不好是巨幅強化
07/23 22:33, 40F

07/23 22:33, , 41F
你是不是只看過最後三年KOBE阿 強化DDR都汙辱KOBE
07/23 22:33, 41F

07/23 22:37, , 42F
不過通常講強化版不會找差太多的啦
07/23 22:37, 42F

07/23 22:38, , 43F
不然之前喇棒被說是強化版的嘴綠就引起很多不滿
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07/23 22:49, , 44F
5亞詹跟嘴綠很像阿,都會踢蛋阿XDD
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07/23 23:07, , 45F
跟個詹迷認真喔....人家可是天天會批酸酸怎樣的酸
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07/23 23:07, , 46F
酸呢!
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07/23 23:34, , 47F
DDR強化版!XD 光得分手段就比DDR多出不知道多少 防
07/23 23:34, 47F

07/23 23:35, , 48F
守也聯盟頂尖的 DDR有嗎?
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07/23 23:37, , 49F
是有的增強才叫強化 但Kobe連DDR沒有的都有了...
07/23 23:37, 49F

07/23 23:47, , 50F
KI比Kobe弱就不能當球隊一哥嗎?
07/23 23:47, 50F

07/23 23:52, , 51F
菜鳥只看過kb斷腳就在那變強化DDR 菜蟲掉滿地了都
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07/23 23:52, , 52F
不知道
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07/23 23:54, , 53F
究極強化版?
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07/24 00:04, , 54F
整天喊東區爛LBJ組團又變大腿...
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07/24 00:04, , 55F
DDr又不爛
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07/24 00:09, , 56F
DDR強化版XDDD好啦暑假到了不意外 一堆妖魔鬼怪
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07/24 00:14, , 57F
暑假水準不意外
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07/24 00:15, , 58F
肯定不會像DRR這咖說我們有LBJ也會贏
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07/24 00:16, , 59F
泡泡龍雙寶就是個笑話
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07/24 00:18, , 60F
某Liao 真的跳梁小丑還不自知
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07/24 02:43, , 61F
暑假小朋友真的到處跑
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07/24 07:13, , 62F
KOBE10年才奪過冠 也要被嘴不是現代籃球
07/24 07:13, 62F

07/24 08:40, , 63F
我還以為是JR強化版呢
07/24 08:40, 63F

07/24 13:31, , 64F
當時聯盟強度極高 老大能有那樣數據真心猛
07/24 13:31, 64F

07/24 13:31, , 65F
現在季賽大家都隨便刷 數據沒什麼參考價值
07/24 13:31, 65F

07/24 13:53, , 66F
少來 KI有老大的夢幻步?
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07/24 13:54, , 67F
還兩個人都進攻端無所不能zzz
07/24 13:54, 67F
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