[專欄] 詹姆斯季後賽比喬丹遇到更艱難的競爭

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http://tinyurl.com/k2gtkrd Proof that LeBron James faced tougher playoff competition than Michael Jordan 詹姆斯季後賽面臨比喬丹更艱難的競爭的證據 With the Cleveland Cavaliers one win away from locking up their 2017 NBA Finals rematch with the Golden State Warriors, and with those Finals not slated to start until June 1, we're going to spend a lot of time over the next week talking about Michael Jordan. 在總冠軍開打前，我們來花時間討論一下喬丹 That's fine! We're all adults here. We can discuss how LeBron stacks up against the Greatest of All Time like reasonable people — and that conversation starts with their postseason competition. 我們可以討論詹姆斯的生涯怎麼很合理的跟公認史上最偉大的球員比較，首先我們可以先比較他們季後賽遇到的強度 People have been throwing around takes on LeBron's dominance of the Eastern Conference and Jordan's relatively easy Finals matchups lately, but we've yet to see a year-by-year, series-by-series breakdown of each superstar's postseason history. 人們總是說姆斯統治了東區，但喬丹的總決賽很輕鬆，但我們沒有看見任何年對年的比較 For the sake of this exercise, we went through Jordan's last 12 playoff runs, compared them to LeBron's 12 trips to the playoffs, year-by-year, and picked a winner for who faced tougher playoff competition in Playoff Year One, Year Two, and so on. 因此，我們拿喬丹最後12年的季後賽跟姆斯這12年的季後賽做比較。並選出哪隊的對手比較難搞。 For a truer comparison, we excluded Jordan's rookie season — when the Bulls made it to the playoffs and were quickly eliminated by the Celtics — in order to compare 12 years to 12 years, and to account for LeBron entering the league as an 18-year-old, relative to the 21-year-old rookie Jordan. 為了公平的比較，我們把喬丹的菜鳥球季移除，因為那年被賽隊慘電，而且姆斯也比喬丹年輕三歲進入NBA Our conclusion? While LeBron has a long way to go before he's done, he has indeed faced a tougher road through the playoffs than Jordan did, even as he's fought through such a weak Eastern Conference. 結論？雖然姆斯的生涯還很長，他卻遇到比喬丹還要艱困的季後賽，就算他是跟比較弱的東區對抗季後賽第一年 Playoff year No. 1 (Jordan: 1986; James: 2006) Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (67-15) James' opponents: Washington Wizards (42-40), Detroit Pistons (64-18) Although Jordan was eliminated in the first round for the first three years of his career, going up against the Celtics led by Larry Bird was undoubtedly a tougher task than LeBron James' inaugural romp through the Wizards and eventual playoff exit at the hands of the Pistons. 雖然喬丹連三年第一輪被淘汰，對上大鳥的賽爾迪克顯然是比姆斯的巫師和活塞還要困難的挑戰 Advantage: Jordan 喬丹勝出季後賽第二年 Playoff year No. 2 (Jordan: 1987; James: 2007) Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (59-23) James' opponents: Washington Wizards (41-41), New Jersey Nets (41-41), Detroit Pistons (53-29), San Antonio Spurs (58-24) 1987 was the last year the Celtics made the NBA Finals in the Larry Bird era, with the Hick from French Lick battling problems from a 1985 back injury suffered while shoveling his driveway. 1987年是大鳥時代最後一年到決賽，而他的大腿 Hick受了傷 So while Boston was still a formidable squad, LeBron takes Year No. 2 by virtue of leading an overmatched Cleveland team to the NBA Finals. 所以雖然賽隊還是很強，姆斯第二年就一個人帶隊到總冠軍賽 Advantage: James 姆斯勝出季後賽第三年 Playoff year No. 3 (Jordan: 1988; James: 2008) Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (42-40), Detroit Pistons (54-28) James' opponents: Washington Wizards (43-39), Boston Celtics (66-16) Year No. 3 is an easy comparison between the two — a first-round defeat of a less-talented foe, followed by a second-round defeat by a team that would haunt each player in the early going of their careers. 這一年蠻好比的，第一輪好打，第二輪的對手擋了他們幾年 Advantage: James 姆斯勝出季後賽第四年 Playoff year No. 4 (Jordan: 1989; James: 2009) Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (57-25), New York Knicks (52-30), Detroit Pistons (63-19) James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (39-43), Atlanta Hawks (47-35), Orlando Magic (59-23) Jordan faced Patrick Ewing, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars and Bill Laimbeer, among others, in year four of this exercise, while LeBron only had to deal with Dwight Howard. 喬丹要跟尤英、湯姆斯、杜馬斯和藍比爾對抗，姆斯只需要對付魔獸 Advantage: Jordan 喬丹勝出季後賽第五年 Playoff year No. 5 (Jordan: 1990; James: 2010) Jordan's opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (44-38), Philadelphia 76ers (53-29), Detroit Pistons (59-23) James' opponents: Chicago Bulls (41-41), Boston Celtics (50-32) That 2010 Bulls team was better than its record indicated, and the 2010 Celtics made the Finals, but His Airness gets a close win in Year 5 thanks to his bouts with Charles Barkley's Sixers and his final defeat at the hands of the Bad Boy Pistons. 雖然2010的公牛比戰績所顯示的還好，而且賽隊是那年進到總冠軍，喬丹靠著跟巴克利對抗以及對壞小子活塞的首勝而勉強勝出 Advantage: Jordan 喬丹勝出季後賽第六年 Playoff year No. 6 (Jordan: 1991; James: 2011) Jordan's opponents: New York Knicks (39-43), Philadelphia 76ers (44-38), Detroit Pistons (50-32), Los Angeles Lakers (58-24) James' opponents: Philadelphia 76ers (41-41), Boston Celtics (56-26), Chicago Bulls (62-20), Dallas Mavericks (57-25) Ignore the fact that LeBron lost to the Mavericks in the Finals, which is irrelevant for our purposes here. The King's first Heat team faced better teams across the board in the 2011 playoffs than the Bulls did in 1991. 忽略姆斯總冠軍輸球的事實，畢竟我們比較的是對手，大帝的熱火隊每一輪都遇到比公牛強很多的對手 Now, you might point to Chicago's series against the Lakers as an argument in Jordan's favor, but that Los Angeles team featured Vlade Divac as its third-best player. 或許你會覺喬丹的總冠軍對手是湖人，那湖人那時候第三得分手是Divac Were the Lakers better than the '11 Mavs? Probably, sure. They had Magic Johnson, after all. 那年的湖人會贏11的小牛嗎？應該吧，畢竟他們有魔術強生 The difference isn't enough to tip year six to Jordan, though. 但比較前三輪對手能力差，找不到說喬丹的對手比較強的理由 Advantage: James 姆斯勝出季後賽第七年 Playoff year No. 7 (Jordan: 1992; James: 2012) Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (38-44), New York Knicks (51-31), Cleveland Cavaliers (57-25), Portland Trail Blazers (57-25) James' opponents: New York Knicks (36-30), Indiana Pacers (42-24), Boston Celtics (39-27), Oklahoma City Thunder (47-19) 換算成82場：尼克(45勝)、賽隊(48勝)、溜馬(52勝)、雷霆(58勝) Don't let the oddly low win totals for LeBron's opponents confuse you. Remember, this was the year of the lockout, meaning that Knicks team played at a 45-win pace, the Pacers at 52 wins, and the Thunder would have won 58 games in an 82-game season. 不要因為封館而誤會姆斯的對手 Meanwhile, Jordan waltzed through the Eastern Conference, only needing to vanquish Patrick Ewing to earn a leisurely championship victory over Clyde Drexler's Blazers. 喬丹在東區只要遇到尤英，其它輪很輕鬆。 (姆斯總冠軍賽遇到雷霆三哨、東區遇到賽隊和溜馬，基本上超硬） Advantage: James 姆斯勝出季後賽第8年 Playoff year No. 8 (Jordan: 1993; James: 2013) Jordan's opponents: Atlanta Hawks (43-39), Cleveland Cavaliers (54-28), New York Knicks (60-22), Phoenix Suns (62-20) James' opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (38-44), Chicago Bulls (45-37), Indiana Pacers (49-32), San Antonio Spurs (58-24) 2013 was the year we started to feel the full force of LeBron's dominance of the Eastern Conference. Free agents started heading west, and the playoff field was far worse for their decisions. 2013年我們開始感受到姆斯在東區的統治力。自由球員奔走西區，季後賽戰場也因為他們的進定變得很爛 Advantage: Jordan 喬丹勝出季後賽第九年 Playoff year No. 9 (Jordan: 1995; James: 2014) Jordan's opponents: Charlotte Hornets (50-32), Orlando Magic (57-25) James' opponents: Charlotte Hornets (43-39), Brooklyn Nets (44-38), Indiana Pacers (56-26), San Antonio Spurs (62-20) Jordan had to shake off the post-retirement rust in 1995, so he didn't get to square off with Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets. 喬丹剛復出，能力尚未恢復，所以他連歐拉朱萬的火箭都遇不到 LeBron, meanwhile, lost in the Finals to a Spurs team that played some of the greatest basketball we've ever seen in a best-of-seven series. 姆斯在總決賽輸給了馬刺，這個馬刺打出了季後賽最棒的籃球 Advantage: James 姆斯勝出季後賽第十年 Playoff year No. 10 (Jordan: 1996; James: 2015) Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (42-40), New York Knicks (47-35), Orlando Magic (60-22), Seattle Sonics (64-18) James' opponents: Boston Celtics (40-42), Chicago Bulls (50-32), Atlanta Hawks (60-22), Golden State Warriors (67-15) From Alonzo Mourning to Patrick Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal, and the dynamic duo of Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp, the '96 Bulls had to tear through a gauntlet of mid-90s legends to cap their historic 72-10 season. 從莫寧到尤因、歐尼爾、手套和坎普，96公牛必須要擊敗90中的傳奇來創造出他72勝的球季 LeBron, on the other hand, didn't break a sweat until a Finals series in which the Cavs were missing both Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. 姆斯在到總冠前沒有流什麼汗，雖然愛和厄文都不見了 Advantage: Jordan 喬丹勝出季後賽第11年 Playoff year No. 11 (Jordan: 1997; James: 2016) Jordan's opponents: Washington Bullets (44-30), Atlanta Hawks (56-26), Miami Heat (61-21), Utah Jazz (64-18) James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (44-38), Atlanta Hawks (48-34), Toronto Raptors (56-26), Golden State Warriors (73-19) Year 11 offered weak competition for both LeBron and Jordan prior to the Finals, with Jordan holding a slight edge in the second and third rounds. Yet as good as the Jazz were in the late-90s, taking on the best regular-season team in NBA history means this year goes to LeBron. 姆斯和喬丹在東區都蠻輕鬆的，喬丹的東區對手稍強，但姆斯總決賽的對手是nba例行賽史上最強球隊 As for those 73-19 Warriors? We'll touch on how they impact this discussion in our conclusion. Advantage: LeBron 姆斯勝出季後賽第十二年 Playoff year No. 12 (Jordan: 1998; James: 2017) Jordan's opponents: New Jersey Nets (43-39), Charlotte Hornets (51-31), Indiana Pacers (58-24), Utah Jazz (62-20) James' opponents: Indiana Pacers (42-40), Toronto Raptors (51-31), Boston Celtics (53-29), Golden State Warriors (67-15) Neither Jordan nor LeBron faced particularly tough competition in the Eastern Conference in Year 12, with The King claiming this one on the strength of the Warriors team he's one game away from facing in the NBA Finals. 前三輪雙方的挑戰都差不多，但是姆斯總冠軍的對手強了爵士不只一個等級 Advantage: James 姆斯勝出結果 The bottom line Here's the final tally: Jordan had the harder road through the postseason five times (Years 1, 4, 5, 8, and 10), while LeBron faced tougher competition (Years 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, 11, and 12) in seven postseasons. 喬丹5:7姆斯 The fact that these two are neck-and-neck is fitting — and offers a reasonable, nuanced answer to the question of whether LeBron or Jordan faced tougher playoff competition in their careers: Jordan consistently had a tougher time through the first three rounds of the playoffs, which makes sense. There were fewer teams in the NBA during his time, so all of the talent in the Association was more tightly distributed than it is in 2017. 喬丹強三輪的競爭比較激烈，畢竟以前的NBA球隊比較少（像中職一樣） But LeBron undoubtedly went up against better opponents in the Finals because he plays in the age of player movement and superteams. 但是姆斯毫無疑問的在總冠軍面對更強的對手，因為他是在球員抱腿以及超級球隊的時代 Although His Airness had fewer cakewalks before the Finals, his hardest work was over by the time he was playing for a ring each year — while LeBron was just getting started. 雖然總冠前他都在吃蛋糕，但他最困難的工作剛從總冠賽開始 Indeed, if you stack up all 13 teams these two faced in the NBA Finals, six of the top eight would be LeBron opponents, including the top four (the 2017 Warriors, 2016 Warriors, 2014 Spurs, and 2012 Thunder). 確實，如果比較這兩隻球隊在總決所遇到全部13隻的隊伍，前8名有6隊是姆斯的敵人，包含了前四名(2017勇士、2016勇士、2014馬刺、2012雷霆) Only the 1993 Suns and 1996 Sonics can hold a candle to any of LeBron's foes — and those are the two series that gave Jordan the most trouble in his career. 只有93的太陽和96的超音速勉強可和姆斯遇到的對手一拚。而這兩個隊伍偏偏在總冠也給喬丹造成最大的麻煩 So even if you want to give MJ the edge in a couple of those close postseason comparisons, or even if you believe he faced tougher superstars, this argument boils down to the level of competition in the Finals, where LeBron wins. 所以就算你說喬丹的前三輪比較累，只比總冠軍的對手強度，喬丹完全比不上姆斯心得：說姆斯得要連拿三個冠軍才能追上喬丹還蠻好笑的畢竟喬丹如果對上姆斯14年以來的對手可能根本連一年都拿不到冠軍 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwoAjQ5yas

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