[外絮] 鍵盤球迷分析老大最近為何烙賽
大家好 小弟我無聊爬reddit看到一篇超強分析文章 想說來翻譯給大家看看
原文連結 : https://goo.gl/LSKcC9
強烈建議英文夠好的板友直接看原文 畢竟小弟我只是無聊翻譯
然後也建議大家用電腦看 因為有滿多影片支援
以下翻譯
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Okay this is pure speculation and I expect the down votes, so while I'm going
down I decided to add some videos
先承認這只是我個人猜測，我也知道自己可能會被噓，但是趁我還有心寫這篇時我就順
便加個影片給大家看看吧。
When I saw this article(http://goo.gl/5slZIY) about Kobe airballing shots, I
decided to look into it to see if it was going to point out what I saw. Of
course the article says he's missing these shots because he's past his prime,
and I'm not doubting that part. But I'm not entirely sure his body has actually
given up on him. I think Kobe doesn't trust his body so he's trying something
new.
當我看到這篇文章標題後，我決定仔細閱讀一遍來瞧瞧作者是否有點出我看到的部分。
當然，文章一直提出Kobe已經老了，體能不在巔峰了，而我也不懷疑。但我也不相信他體
能有糟糕到這種程度。我個人認為Kobe已經開始不信任自己的身體，然後正在嘗試一些新
的東西。
I am going to point out something I learned from players like KD and to
some extent Curry.
我在這裡要先點出一些我在練習跳投時從KD和Curry身上學到的東西。
Now if you look here you'll find a video of Durant doing the short hop into his
jumper. If you search it online you'll find all the benefits from it.
首先請大家看這部影片 https://goo.gl/B8W5TV 。大家可以看到KD在投籃前會輕輕的跳一
下。如果大家稍為上網查一下可以查到這個小跳躍的種種好處。
Short hop 講解支援: https://goo.gl/VJbO7x
Short hop vs 1-2 hop講解支援: https://goo.gl/frzxzg
Here's why the short hop is good:
1. The short hop gives the player more power on his shot
2. The short hop adds to consistency in your shot
3. The short hop helps you shoot faster
以下是為何short step對各位的跳投有幫助:
1. short hop讓你出手更有力
2. short hop讓你出手更穩定
3. short hop可以讓你出手更快
Kobe is famously known as a 2 motion shooter. If you know about 2 motion
shooting then you know it is a much slower shot and for most people there's not
as much power since it's not all happening in one motion. This is something
Kobe has been aware of and with people like Kevin Durant making the short hop
look fantastic out there, it would only make sense that Kobe adds the short
hop into his game, right? And if you go to the article talking about how Kobe
is airballing 3s, you'll see how he's adding the short hop to his game.
Kobe是出了名的二連動做射手(2 motion)。如果你知道二連動做投籃是甚麼，那你就會知
道這種投籃方式出手動作慢，而且一般人力道也比較使不上來。Kobe當然知道這道理，再
加上KD這麼強的射手讓short hop看起來那麼強，他應該理所當然也會來學一下，對吧？
然後如果你有看剛剛那篇文章在講Kobe一直麵包三分，你也會發現他有學起short hop這
招。
(後面有更多部分會講解2 motion跟1 motion差別)
But the short hop isn't the problem. As noted here in this video, Kobe Bryant
pretty much added the hop into his game back in 2012. But what's important to
note here is how Kobe borrowed the move from Kevin Durant in the first place.
This is important to my observation.
不過short hop本身並不是個問題。如果你看一下這影片(https://goo.gl/2IHznd)，你會
發現Kobe早在2012年就學會這招了。但是重點是大家要注意Kobe從別的球員身上學習了小
技巧，而且用來提升自己的比賽。這對我的觀察而言是非常重要的論點。
2012 was also after the Mavs won the title and Dirk received a ton of
recognition for his trademark fadeaway. Shooters saw how dominate he was with
this move so they decided to add it to their game. If you think of the top
players who immediately added it to their game, you see that they were
Durant, Kobe, and Melo.
2012年也是小牛剛拿總冠軍那年，然後德佬的招牌金雞獨立大受關注。很多射手發現這招
的強大然後決定也自己學起來。仔細觀察一下，最出名的就是KD、Kobe和Melo。
KD影片支援: https://goo.gl/gwVaiX
Kobe影片支援: https://goo.gl/EUaJuU
Now keep this in mind: Kobe is borrowing and using moves of Dirk, Durant, and
all the other legends before...and we can see all of this in the 2011-2012
and 2012-2013 season. Kobe is having success with these moves. But then what
happens?
大家記好這點：Kobe一直從別人身上學到新的招式。先是德佬，再來是KD，在這之前還有
不知道多少位傳奇球星。而我們也可以從2011~2012季和2012~2013季看到他新學招式的成
功之處。不過接下來發生什麼事了?
In 2013 Kobe goes down with the achilles injury, right? We say he's never
going to be the same, and right now it looks that way. The article talking
about how he's airballing 3s makes it seem that way as well. But there's
something just way different with his shooting now than before...
2013年Kobe阿基里斯腱斷裂，對不對？大家都說他無法回到以前那樣了，而現在也看起來
是這樣。就連剛剛那篇講他麵包三分的文章也是一直這樣說。但是Kobe的投球方式感覺跟
以前還是差太多了。
Since his injury there's been one great shooter who's popped up. We all know
who this is. It's Steph Curry. Now, Kobe is the kind of guy who'll see a
great move from a player and just take it because he knows it'll make him
better. Kobe took the short hop from Durant and the fadeaway from Jordan and
Dirk...and a ton of other moves from other players. So what is it that Curry
has that Kobe doesn't?
自從老大受傷後，有一位新起的神射手。他家也知道是誰，就是Curry。所以說，老大是一
個看到對手有強大招式就會學來自幾用的球員，因為他知道這樣會讓自己更強。老大從KD
那裏學到了short hop，從德佬那裏學到了金雞獨立。所以Curry有甚麼招術是老大想學的
？
Curry has a faster release than Kobe. Kobe is a 2 motion shooter while Curry
is a well known One motion shooter. His shooting is all one motion.
Curry的出手速度比老大快。老大是個二連射手，而Curry是一連射手。Curry的投籃動作是
一氣呵成的。
Curry 投籃分析：https://goo.gl/UR1Jnz
I think Kobe is struggling with his shot because he's trying to shoot more
like a one motion shooter like Steph Curry. Go to this article on Kobe
airballing shot and watch how Kobe is shooting the ball. Compare that to
Kobe back before his injury in this video on him shooting nothing but 3s.
我認為老大投籃之所以那麼差是因為他在模仿Curry的投籃想變成一連射手。大家看這篇
文章的影片然後仔細觀察老大的出手動做。http://goo.gl/lN0ORS
然後再跟這篇老大以前的三分出手做比較: https://goo.gl/evXv9U
In the video before his injury you see how Kobe pauses before actually
releasing his shot. This is the two motion shooting. But in the article they
pulled clips of him not doing it as much. It's hard to explain unless you
look at it, but it makes a world of difference. Going from a two motion shot
to a one motion shot isn't that bad if you're just at home practicing,
because you don't have that many variables to through you off. But pulling
that off in game is very difficult because Kobe holding the ball longer in
his two motion shooting helps him aim. If you go from a two motion shot to a
one motion shot at game speed, that's the equivalent of just chucking the
ball up and hoping you make it. That's why Kobe is airballing and missing
what were once easy shots.
在他受傷前的那影片裡，你可以看到老大在出手瞬間會在空中滯留一下。這就是所謂的二
連動做投籃。但是在文章裡面的影片他停留時間明顯短很多。說真的如果你沒看影片，這
應該很難懂吧，但是對於投籃而言這真的是天差地別。如果你只是在家練習，從二連變成
一連射手其實也不一定是壞事，因為沒那麼多變數來干擾你。但是想要在比賽中這樣相對
的困難許多。而且老大以前的二連投籃可以讓他在空中多一點瞄準的時間。如果你在比賽
時突然變成一連射手，這根本等於你把球往籃框方向丟然後希望你會進個一兩顆。這就是
為甚麼老大一直麵包一些本來應該是十拿九穩的空檔三分。
The key is to look at how Kobe is missing and not just the fact that he's
missing and I strongly believe that the how he is missing can be attributed
to the fact that he's trying to borrow one motion shooting from Curry. I also
don't think it has much to do with his age and legs because Kobe isn't just
missing shots because they're short..he's completely missing the rim. Age
doesn't do that to you. Not when you practice as much as he does, because if
age was an issue, then he'd more than likely come up short more than
overthrow the shot. But since one motion shooting can extend your range by
giving you more power, it makes sense that he's overthrowing
關鍵在於仔細觀察他時如何投失這些球的，而不是只注意他在打鐵。而我滿確信老大最近
這麼鐵的關鍵就在於他在學Curry的投籃動作。我也不認為是因為是老大老了腳沒力才會
這樣。因為如果是他老了，那他的球不是應該提早下墜，而不是射過頭嗎？但是如果說老
大是在嘗試一連投籃那就說得過去了，因為一連投籃會讓你出手力道增加，而且可以投更
遠。(想想Curry的超大號三分球)
More miscellaneous proof If you look at the last video in the article talking
about him airballing, you see him go for a quick release. Signs of quick
releasing in most players is how they don't hold their follow through, but
they don't hold their follow through all the time. It's not situational, so
it's not like they drop their arms off the dribble. But here, Kobe is a
standstill and he's not holding his follow through. In that 3 point shooting
compilation I linked in here, you see him holding his follow through way more
often than not. So why is he not doing it in 2015?
更多細小的證據：如果你仔細看那篇文章的最後一個影片，你會發現老大在那球試著加速
出手。通常加速出手的明顯跡象就是球員不會維持他的動作到完成為止(follow through)
。但是這只是通常而以，為甚麼老大在空檔時候也要這樣做？在受傷前的三分剪集中可以
看到老大出手動做會做到底(通常是右手繼續舉著那樣)。所以為何老大在本季要刻意加速
他的出手呢？
Also, Kobe, imo, has a low arcing shot. [This was mentioned on this subreddit
last] year, but this guy is saying it just now looks low. To me it's always
looked kind of low. You can't really notice it because of the camera angles
and shooting 3s, but when he shoots 2s, it looks really low. It could also be
because of the fact that he's a 2-motion shooter which requires you to jump
higher to put the ball in...you don't need as much arc for that while shooting
wide open shots (especially when you're 6'6".)
還有老大的投籃弧度一直都很低(去年也有人在本版提過)，但是那篇文章作者卻認為現在
更低了。我自己一直都覺得很低啦，不過說真的因為攝影角度問題我其實有點看不太出來
。不過在三分線內出手時候就很明顯可以看出低弧度了。不過老大今年弧度那麼低，也有
可能是因為他本來二連跳投時要跳比較高才會出手。但是你空檔時候沒必要跳那麼高呀，
尤其是以老大6呎7的身高。
Also just watch this video in general to see how Kobe has a true two motion
shot in 2011 and here is slow motion on his shot.
然後大家也可以看這部短片來觀察老大的二連跳投。然後另一部是老大的慢動做投球。
影片1: https://goo.gl/GbqzJ5
影片2: https://goo.gl/aH6Poa
tl;dr Kobe is a traditional 2-motion shooter and the reason he's shooting
poorly now is because he's trying to "borrow" another great move to his game:
1-motion shooting (from Curry)
簡而言之：老大是個傳統的二連射手，然後他今年命中率這麼低的原因是因為想把Curry的
新招學起來用(一連投籃)。
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心得：看完這篇 只能說老大真的太敬業了 在聯盟打滾20年還是一樣活到老學到老
大家還記得去年有新聞說MKG跟騎士傳奇射手Mark Price重新學跳投嗎？
那時就很多人推說他很讚 肯認真的去跟傳奇學習 忘掉自己以知一切然後重學跳投
那老大已經投這姿勢20年了 現在想打掉重學...這是要多大的毅力才辦得到阿...
阿對了 有錯一樣歡迎大家指正~
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對呀 第一天認識老大嗎?
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超棒呀 這就是我愛的老大 不只清晨起來練球 連比賽中也不忘練球! 推81精神
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抱歉 應該是我沒說清楚 老大以前是1-2 hop 後來學KD的short hop
基本上1-2 hop跟short hop的差別在於是不是兩腳跳起來接球
原文有個連結在是1-2 VS short hop
影片後段有訪問一個大學射手他覺得這兩種差別
他介紹是說1-2在你過screen接球時 你會因為慣性 所以身體會歪掉
但是short hop反而比較不會 因為你等於是跳起來接球 在垂直起跳一遍
希望這樣你有比較了解 ^_^
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果然真老大迷 想法跟我一模一樣
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多謝! 不過我只是翻譯 原文作者才是最強的
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看看sb nation那篇文章的影片 老大力到是過剩喔 不是不足
有幾球真的噴過頭的 尤其是45度角的三分別明顯
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原來如此 謝謝你~
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真的耶 雖然不是每球都有hop step 但確實2011以前就有
所以我看老大只是做更多hop step 不是到那時候才學會@@
感謝你的回應
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就跟我這肥宅一樣 我也學不起老大英美的投籃姿勢呀
但說真的這種東西有幾人能學會呢?
學會後又有幾人能打NBA?
要說學人精二貨只能說我自己啦 怎麼可以汙辱我最愛的科神呢
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