[外絮] LeBron vs. Durant:現今最佳球員的比較已回收

看板NBA作者 (五六##)時間12年前 (2013/03/29 17:30), 編輯推噓78(87991)
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Within their first five years neither LeBron James nor Kevin Durant had won an NBA championship. Nonetheless, both proved in that short stretch that their ringless fingers could not hide one very obvious fact: they would ascend the ladder of NBA greatness in their careers. While enjoying the entertainment that both NBA superstars exhibit today, there is a very high likelihood that both will finish their career in the heart of the discussion for greatest NBA players of all time. 在LBJ和KD的前五年生涯中,兩人都未得到NBA冠軍。然而,兩人卻都在 這小段時間內證明了,儘管手上沒有戒指,他們仍然能夠在生涯內登上 NBA的巔峰。 正當我們盡興於LBJ和KD的表現所帶來的娛樂時,這兩位球星同時也一直 被人們拿來討論說,到底誰是最偉大的NBA球員,而這很有可能持續直到 他們的生涯結束。 So how do the two best players in the NBA compare? Quite frankly, as you will see in their statistics, they are eerily similar. Here is a comparison of LeBron and Durant’s respective first five years in the NBA, both of which started at age 19: 所以到底該如何比較這兩位球員呢?坦白的說,從統計數據上來看,他們 兩人的數據是出奇的相似。以下是兩人生涯前五年的比較,且皆從19歲 起開始: Coming into the league, LeBron James was hailed as the next great thing. Gracing the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school basketball player, LeBron was expected to be nothing short of the stature of Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Conversely, many analysts questioned Kevin Durant’s relevance as a professional player. While LeBron had an NBA-ready body right out of high school, Durant’s physique was much more questionable. Whispers of bust surrounded the dynamic scorer who was 2007 College Player of the Year in his one year at Texas. Perhaps prophetic, in their respective drafts, LeBron was No. 1 overall and Durant was No. 2. LBJ剛進聯盟時,便被譽為下一個偉大的傳奇。以高中籃球員成為Sports Illustrated 的封面人物,LBJ被認為是一名不下Kobe和Jordan的球員。然而反觀Durant, 有許多分析球評質疑KD是否適合做一個職業球員。因為在LBJ高中畢業的時候, 就擁有能闖蕩NBA的身體素直,但是Durant的體格是否適合卻是被畫上問號的。 許多議論便開始圍繞著這位在大一就得到2007年度最佳大學球員的身上。 As their high selection suggests, both landed in cities with NBA teams desperately in need of a franchise player. At the time of James’ arrival, the Cleveland Cavaliers had missed the playoffs for five consecutive years. Outside of LeBron, little hope was on the horizon. In the Akron native’s rookie year in the league (2003-04), two of the top five scorers on the team included Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Ricky Davis. Similarly, Kevin Durant came to the then-Seattle SuperSonics hoping to revive a franchise that had lost Ray Allen. The SuperSonics had one playoff appearance in the five years leading up to Durant’s rookie year. 從他們第一、二名的選秀順位便知道,這兩支球隊都是極欲尋找一個屬於他們 的看板球星的球隊。在LBJ初到騎士之初,騎士隊已經錯過了連續五年的季後賽。 而除了LBJ,另外的小小希望也已到來,那就是Zydrunas Ilgauskas和Ricky Davis。 而同樣的,選中KD的超音速隊也希望能找到一個看板球星來彌補RAY ALLEN的離開 而此時超音速隊也在過去五年中只進了一年季後賽。 In KD’s rookie year (2007-08), he scored about as many points as the second and third leading scorers on the team combined. But unlike LeBron, Durant would get some help over the next couple years as two more high draft picks, Russell Westbrook and James Harden, contributed to a turnaround in what became the Oklahoma City Thunder franchise. 在KD的菜鳥年,他得到的分數是球隊上第二得分點和第三得分點加起來的分數。 但與LBJ不同的是,KD在接下來的幾年得到了Russel Westbrook和James Harden 兩個強力隊友,進而帶給球隊轉機。 球隊 LBJ和DURANT菜鳥年該隊的勝率 繼菜鳥年後的勝率 騎士 0.42 0.5 → 0.6 → 0.6 → 0.55 雷霆 0.25 0.29 → 0.6 → 0.68 → 0.7 Although LeBron had significantly more success in his rookie year than Durant, neither LeBron’s Cavs nor Durant’s Thunder made the playoffs for the first two years that both players were in the league. However, there was immediate hope that there would eventually be a turnaround. Both won NBA Rookie of the Year honors. Scoring titles, All Star appearances, and a host of other accolades followed in their first five years. 由上表可知,雖然儘管LBJ在他的菜鳥年顯著的比KD成功,騎士和雷霆 都沒能在LBJ和KD在隊上的前兩年闖進季後賽。然而,卻存在著一個最 終將成為轉機的希望,那就是兩人都贏得了Rookie of the years的殊 榮、得分王的頭銜、全明星賽出場資格以及在他們各自生涯的前五年成 為許多其他的榮譽的得主。 As if those trends don’t mirror each other enough, take a look at the regular season numbers they put up in their first five years: 如果這些趨勢不能足夠反映對方相似性,一起來看看在前五年的常規賽 他們創造的數據: Per game statistics LeBron James Kevin Durant Points 27.3 26.3 Rebounds 6.9 6.6 Assists 6.6 2.8 Steals 1.8 1.2 Blocks 0.8 1.0 FG percentage .467 .468 FT percentage .728 .878 Games played 390 380 The only significant differences are in assists (LeBron has the edge) and free throw percentage (Durant has the edge)…everything else is nearly identical. Going to advanced statistics helps differentiate a little bit more, but one beats the other in categories you would expect them to (LeBron in PER, Durant in eFG% and TS%). As a measure of the extraordinary beginning to their careers, only 24 players have a career PER above Durant’s 22.6. Eight had higher than LeBron’s PER (25.2). 唯一顯著的差距便是他們的助攻(LBJ6.6>KD2.8)和罰球命中率(KD.878>LBJ.728) 其他的數據是非常相似的。如果再檢視更進一步的統計資料,對區分兩者的差別 幫助不大,但在某些項目上誰比較強是可以預期的(ex:LBJ的效率值,KD的eFG值 和真實命中率值)。經過對兩人卓越生涯的初期衡量下,只有24名球員的per值超過 KD的22.6,而8名球員超過LBJ的25.2。 Go to their playoff records and again, not much difference. Neither won a championship—but to put it in perspective, Jordan was not a champion until his seventh year in the league. LeBron made it to the Finals once and Conference finals twice. Durant has advanced one round deeper into the playoffs each year starting his third year in the league. Both had their own jaw-dropping playoff performances, as well. And like their regular season numbers, playoff stats are remarkably similar: 再來看看他們的季後賽成績,再一次的發現,兩人並無太大差別。 兩人都沒有得過冠軍─但是從另一觀點來看,Jordan也是在他的第 七年才拿到冠軍。 LBJ進過總決賽一次、準決賽兩次。KD則是越打越深入接近冠軍賽。 兩人都有讓人瞠目結舌的季後賽成績,而同樣地,他們的季後賽成績 也很相似: Playoff per game statistics LeBron James Kevin Durant Points 27.5 28.1 Rebounds 8.0 7.7 Assists 7.3 3.2 Steals 1.6 1.1 Blocks 0.8 1.2 FG percentage .433 .465 FT percentage .742 .854 Games played 46 43 But here, LeBron has the edge with a top-five playoff performance of all time in his first five years in the league. So, with all of this in mind, who was better? Stats and awards point to a wash but there are some unquantifiable differences that help provide a marginal separation. 所以,誰是更好的?雖然統計和獎項已經看初一些端倪,但我們還可以 透過一些無法量化的差異,進一步分辨清楚。 LeBron James was an athletic monster who proved he could get to the rim at will and was a gifted facilitator. Durant, on the other hand, was a pure shooter whose length creates tough offensive mismatches. Defensively, LeBron was more polished than Durant even though the rebounding, steals, and blocks suggest equality. For one, defensive rating and defensive win shares both favor LeBron. LBJ是一個運動的怪物,總是證明了他能隨心所欲的進到籃下,是一個 極具天賦的進攻者。KD,在另一方面,是一個純粹的射手,以身高創造 強硬的進攻錯位。在防守端,LBJ比KD更精練儘管籃板,抄截和火鍋數據 上很相似。 Durant is definitely the better pure shooter but LeBron’s overall game gives him the slight edge. And strictly in terms of performance, the then-Cavs star made more happen with less surrounding pieces. Kevin Durant needed Westbrook and Harden to make the playoffs. LeBron, in his first year making the playoffs had the help of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, and Larry Hughes. So even though the Western conference is more competitive than the East, Durant had the luxury of playing with a host of other scorers and defensively-minded players. Bottom line: if your franchise needs a player and LeBron James and Kevin Durant are on the draft board, they would be taken in the same order that they were on their respective draft days. KD顯然是更好的純射手但LBJ的整體比賽能力讓LBJ得到稍微的領先。 並嚴格從表現方面來看,LBJ算是由自己的能力帶領騎士進入季後賽, KD則需要RW和JH的幫忙才能進入季后賽。LBJ在他的第一年,隊友是 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall,and Larry Hughes。 因此,即使普遍來說西區比較競爭,但KD卻擁有豪華陣容的隊友。 後記:如果你是GM,需要一個球員,LBJ和KD你會先選誰。 (此文是說仍然是LBJ NO.1 KD NO.2) -- 心得: 隨便找了篇來練習英文, 這篇主要是在講生涯前五年LBJ比KD強 然后他認為LBJ NO.1 KD NO.2的選秀順位即便是 兩人放在同一期選也不會變 感覺目前能跟LBJ抗衡的全聯盟大概就只有KD了 如果我是GM的話,當然是選LBJ 但我是球迷的話, 我希望KD可以再更成長,強到跟LBJ可以互相抗衡。 -- 來源:http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2013/01/lebronvsdurant.html -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.161.25.164

03/29 17:32, , 1F
LBJ >> KD
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03/29 17:32, , 2F
當代最佳球員怎麼少了一位候選人?? 造反
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03/29 17:32, , 3F
助功是2.8吧
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※ 編輯: hao5566 來自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:34)

03/29 17:32, , 4F
比罰球數 KD大勝
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03/29 17:33, , 5F
只要裁判有凝
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03/29 17:34, , 6F
KD不靠罰球 就只是另一個Rashard Lewis
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03/29 17:36, , 7F
唯一顯著的差距便是他們的助攻(LBJ6.6>KD1.2)
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03/29 17:36, , 8F
KD要是和LBJ組隊就好了...和忍者龜組什麼隊
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03/29 17:36, , 9F
金身王
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03/29 17:36, , 10F
東LBJ 西Kobe
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※ 編輯: hao5566 來自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:38)

03/29 17:36, , 11F
高中就能拿最佳大學球員 神
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03/29 17:37, , 12F
#1H7RAbh0 這場KD根本被LBJ打假的
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03/29 17:37, , 13F
只是後來用圓才有五成FG%
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03/29 17:38, , 14F
純射手FTA9.4 LBJ FTA7.1 有沒有射手的罰球數的八卦?
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03/29 17:39, , 15F
意思是說kobe還沒退休 所以現在還是kobe的時代嗎
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03/29 17:40, , 16F
kobe季後賽都被打出去幾次了 早就沒人理他
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03/29 17:40, , 17F
應該不是kobe時代吧.. 今年湖人還在保老八
03/29 17:40, 17F
我是指話題的討論方面,kobe現在仍然是話題焦點之一,而且他現在34(還35歲?) 打成這樣確實讓人關注。 ※ 編輯: hao5566 來自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:42)

03/29 17:42, , 18F
從去年就已經是他們兩人的時代了 老大今年抱大腿失敗
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03/29 17:42, , 19F
你是練翻譯,但兩人的差距根本不是這篇文章寫的而以
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03/29 17:42, , 20F
KD拿掉罰球數後...嗯
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03/29 17:43, , 21F
Kobe可以比的上這兩個人?? 我怕數據列出來又...
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03/29 17:43, , 22F
個人覺得啦~ 現階段KD完全比不上LBJ吧.........
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03/29 17:44, , 23F
LBJ是1次總決賽,2次分區決賽才對,那段翻錯了
03/29 17:44, 23F
阿...不知道為什麼我會翻成那樣,謝謝你! ※ 編輯: hao5566 來自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:45)

03/29 17:44, , 24F
Kobe可惜了 組隊找錯人 自己又愛自幹 隊友又傷兵多
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03/29 17:45, , 25F
沒哨子 KD命中率應該沒五成 但不代表他的得分就會
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03/29 17:45, , 26F
下降很多 這點要先釐清
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03/29 17:45, , 27F
這篇明明是在講LBJ跟KD 扯kobe出來救援是怎樣啦
03/29 17:45, 27F
囧,我講kobe的原因只是覺得他仍然受人關住啦,我刪掉好了qq

03/29 17:46, , 28F
Gasol和魔獸都不行 Nash又老 白花錢
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※ 編輯: hao5566 來自: 118.161.25.164 (03/29 17:48)

03/29 17:47, , 29F
為什麼每一篇都要提到kobe跟湖人啊... 有點煩耶
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03/29 17:47, , 30F
還在攬X比豪大雞腿 根本明顯不是同水平.............
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03/29 17:48, , 31F
還要Kobe退休喔? 早就是LBJ的天下了 至於KD也只是沒
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03/29 17:49, , 32F
人 硬要找出一個人來比而已 兩個早就不同等級了
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03/29 17:49, , 33F
一個摸毛就犯規 一個要用擒抱才能犯規 有啥好比的
03/29 17:49, 33F
還有 115 則推文
還有 1 段內文
03/29 20:57, , 149F
NBA版真的怎樣都能扯到Kobe
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03/29 21:00, , 150F
一個靠裁判,怎麼比,比念力嗎 ??????
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03/29 21:00, , 151F
一逆風就BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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03/29 21:02, , 152F
你是在后什麼啊
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03/29 21:08, , 153F
其實很明顯LBJ無論是數據還是對比賽的影響力>KD
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03/29 21:08, , 154F
就連季後賽兩人交手也是LBJ贏
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03/29 21:09, , 155F
會拿KD跟LBJ比是因為他們這個世代就是他們最突出了
03/29 21:09, 155F

03/29 21:11, , 156F
除非KD能有新的搭檔 不然兩隊總決賽交手8成熱火贏
03/29 21:11, 156F

03/29 21:21, , 157F
KD沒轉隊,完勝
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03/29 21:26, , 158F
LBJ大勝 沒啥好比
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03/29 21:29, , 159F
補推回來 不過這種文總是一堆人要扯老大哈哈
03/29 21:29, 159F

03/29 21:30, , 160F
說真的看老大敗球打鐵都比BBB好看 雖然最近老大也很B
03/29 21:30, 160F

03/29 21:41, , 161F
拿靠裁判的比 別污辱LBJ謝謝
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03/29 21:42, , 162F
作弊騙裁判 還要靠媒體當媽寶來裝乖 噁心
03/29 21:42, 162F

03/29 21:42, , 163F
五年前也是常拿LBJ來比Kobe 那時捧科貶LBJ的不計其數
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03/29 21:43, , 164F
現在看來只是角色換一下 這邊風氣還是不變~~
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03/29 21:45, , 165F
五年前的Kobe跟LBJ就已經很缺乏可比性了
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03/29 21:45, , 166F
LBJ有數據 KB有冠軍戒 還可以比 你拿一個數據跟冠軍
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03/29 21:45, , 167F
都輸的 是要比甚麼
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03/29 21:47, , 168F
LBJ 2008-09 的 PER 是 31.7 是史上第四好的成績
03/29 21:47, 168F

03/29 21:47, , 169F
我看不出Kobe看得到車尾燈
03/29 21:47, 169F
Paraguay:轉錄至看板 LeBronJames 03/29 21:59

03/29 22:14, , 170F
Kobe跟KD比可能比較有的比
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03/29 22:15, , 171F
現今只有wade能lbj比吧 其他連車尾燈都看不到
03/29 22:15, 171F

03/29 22:52, , 172F
這篇...只是以數據來論吧 = =
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03/29 22:53, , 173F
聯盟第一人不用懷疑 現在一定是LBJ....
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03/29 22:54, , 174F
可是第二人呢...人選就很多吧 KD單以數據做第二人...
03/29 22:54, 174F

03/29 22:55, , 175F
現在聯盟第二人..KOBE、DIRK、MELO、WADE都可以是吧
03/29 22:55, 175F

03/29 23:03, , 176F
另外 KD在進聯盟第三年 就有西河、HARDEN等強力隊友
03/29 23:03, 176F

03/29 23:03, , 177F
我倒是想看看沒這兩人 KD的生涯還會走的跟現在一樣嗎
03/29 23:03, 177F

03/29 23:14, , 178F
MELO跟第二人完全摸不上邊吧~~尼克的第二人差不多
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03/29 23:51, , 179F
Kobe如果可以把球隊帶進西冠 還是有競爭性啦 否則..
03/29 23:51, 179F

03/30 01:40, , 180F
節操: KD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LBJ
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03/30 02:03, , 181F
LBJ應該沒啥疑問,KD去年輸給他氣勢真的輸了一點...
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03/30 06:29, , 182F
貞操: Lin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe
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03/30 06:30, , 183F
宗瑞 >>>> Kobe
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03/30 09:15, , 184F
LBJ還是比較強
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03/30 11:36, , 185F
這完全不用比 LBJ跟KD根本不在同一個層次上
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03/30 11:36, , 186F
KD是比較強一些的地球人 LBJ是無法比較的火星人
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01/21 21:21, , 187F
怎沒人推翻譯?感謝
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