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(翻完才知道這是篇大戰文 ~_~ 我沒有在翻譯時加主觀意思進去,原文照翻。) http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/3/26/4149732/kobe-bryants-defensive- hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds http://0rz.tw/5ytA4 Kobe Bryant's defensive hypocrisy knows no bounds Kobe Bryant 在防守端上的虛假,簡直毫無止境 By C.A. Clark on Mar 26 2013, 1:48 引言 With his comments regarding the Los Angeles Lakers' defensive strategy after last night's loss against the Golden State Warriors, Kobe Bryant has graduated from sometime defensive burden to an outright hypocrite. Even if what he said was 100% true, Kobe has no business saying anything about the team's defensive scheme. 關於 Kobe 在昨晚輸給金州勇士隊後,對洛杉磯湖人隊防守策略的評論,Kobe Bryant 已經從「偶而造成球隊防守負擔」畢業(酸..),進階成明目張膽的說一套做一套了。 即使他說的百分之百正確,Kobe也沒有資格談論「團隊防守計畫」。 == We got to look at what teams are doing against us in terms of spreading us out and rolling a big and now we collapse and now we’re late to the shooters. This is about the third game in a row where that’s happened to us, so we got to figure out defensively what we’re going to do ... we just got to look at what’s going on and make adjustments. 我們必須觀察其他球隊對付我們的方式:他們清出空間,讓大個子溜進內線、我們 往內包夾,然後來不及阻止對方的射手。我們大概連續三場都有這樣的狀況,所以 得找出以後要怎麼防守(上述對方進攻)的方法。我們得觀察球場上的動態,並隨 之做出調整。 Last night, after the Golden State Warriors held on late to defeat the Los Angeles Lakers after bombarding them for three quarters, Kobe Bryant decided to pick up the microphone (relatively speaking) and say a few choice words about his team's defense. He talked about the scheme. He talked about the importance of communication. He talked about the need to make adjustments. His comments were 100% accurate. There's just one problem. 昨晚,勇士隊轟炸了湖人隊前三節,最終仍能守住湖人的反攻,獲得勝利;賽後, Kobe Bryant 拿起了麥克風(比喻性的說法),講了幾句關於湖人團隊防守的話。 他談到了策略、談到了隊友互相溝通的重要性、談到了必須做出調整。他的發言百 分之百精確,但是有個小問題。 Kobe Bryant has no business criticizing the team's defense. Not when he's done this. And this. And this. Those are all posts, by three different authors, two of which are born and bred Lakers fans, criticizing Kobe Bryant for his horrific defense this season. Kobe has not been a consistently awful defender, but for large swaths of the season, he has defended recklessly, idiotically, or he simply hasn't defended at all. Kobe doesn't just gamble, he plays Russian Roulette without taking out any of the bullets. He doesn't just collapse to the paint, he ball-watches as if in a hypnotic trance. 當 Kobe Bryant做了有的沒有的(缺乏防守的)事情後,他沒有資格批評團隊防守。 網路上有三篇作者各不相同的文章,其中兩位是留著紫金血液的湖人球迷,都批評了 Kobe本季糟糕的防守。Kobe的防守並不是一直很糟,但在本季的大部分比賽中,他的 防守都過於輕率、愚蠢(idiotically )、甚至根本不防守了。Kobe不僅是賭博性防 守(意譯),還是用一把六發全滿的左輪手槍,來玩俄羅斯輪盤。他(的防守)不僅 僅縮回油漆區,也像被催眠一樣,看著球從他身邊經過。 It is impossible to tell if the Lakers have a defensive scheme problem, because first and foremost, their defense has a Kobe Bryant problem. The Lakers defense has rarely been on the same page, whether Bryant is involved or not. But Kobe's defense isn't even in the same book as the rest of the team's. I don't see anybody else on the Lakers double teaming random players off the ball. I don't see too many instances of anybody else comically over-gambling the passing lanes. And at least 80% of the Lakers' most egregious cases of ball-watching (something which does happen to everybody from time to time) seem to involve Kobe Bryant as well. If any of these actions are a part of the Lakers' defensive scheme, then Mike D'Antoni should have been fired the moment he unveiled it. But, since nobody else on the team is doing this shit, it seems pretty clear that Kobe is the one breaking the defensive playbook. 我們不可能知道,湖人是否有防守策略的問題,因為最重要的是:他們的防守有個 「科比問題」。湖人本季至今的團隊防守,不管 Kobe 是否參與其中,極少能讓所 有隊友都知道自己該做什麼;但 Kobe 的防守甚至跟不上所有隊友。我沒有看到湖 人隊的其他球員,跑去包夾無持球的敵隊球員、我沒有看到太多其他球員,會鬧劇 般地賭博式抄劫。「光看球不守」這種糟糕的防守,大概百分之八十的play跟Kobe 有關。如果上述的任何事情,是湖人團隊防守的一部分的話,Mike D'Antoni 在承 認這句話的那一刻(譯註;假設性說法),就該被開除。然而,既然隊上沒有別人 會做這種鳥事(shit..),看起來,Kobe才是讓防守策略破功的人。 Is Kobe responsible for all of the Lakers' defensive problems? Of course not. The Lakers employ two players who have been known as the worst of defensive liabilities for years (Steve Nash and Antawn Jamison). There is not a single guard on the team (except for, ironically, Kobe Bryant when he wants to) who has a prayer of staying with the quick guards that at least 1/2 the NBA employs. And Dwight Howard, who was supposed to help erase some of these known defensive weaknesses, has been nowhere near his defensive best for most of the season as he has recovered from last year's back surgery. The Lakers have a myriad of defensive problems, from personnel to scheme and everywhere in between. But their biggest problem is Kobe. Kobe該為湖人所有的防守問題負責嗎?當然不是。湖人今年新增了兩位,長期以「增加 團隊防守負擔」出名的球員(Steve Nash 與 Antawn Jamison),湖人的後衛群中,沒 有任何一個(諷刺的是,如果 Kobe 願意在防守端出力的話,他是例外)球員,能守住 聯盟中超過一半以上球隊都有的快速控衛。至於Dwight Howard 嘛,本來應該能對湖人 這些眾所週知的防守弱點進行補防,但由於還在去年背部手術的恢復期中,本季幾乎達 不到他的防守顛峰程度。湖人有各式各樣的防守問題,單防、防守策略、問題幾乎無處 不在,但他們最大的問題是 Kobe。 Don't believe me? 82games.com keeps track of a player's effect on team defense by measuring the team's defensive efficiency when the player is on and off the court. For example, take Dwight Howard, who is unsurprisingly the team's best defender. When Dwight is on the court, the Lakers give up 105.1 points per 100 possessions. When he is off the court, the Lakers give up 111.7, so Dwight's net defensive rating is -6.6. Metta World Peace's net is a strong -5.4. Steve Nash makes the defense worse with a net of +1.4. Where does Kobe stand? +3.2. Yes, he's worse than Nash. His net is matched by Antawn Jamison. Only Earl Clark's surprising +3.9 (no doubt skewed by his on-again, off-again participation in the rotation) prevents Kobe from being, statistically, the worst defender on the team. 不相信我嗎?82games.com以「球員在場上與板凳,團隊防守效率的差異」為指標,記 錄了單一球員對團隊防守的影響。以 Dwight Howard 為例,他毫不意外的是湖人最好 的防守者,當他在場上時,湖人每一百次球權會失分105.1、當他下場休息時,湖人的 失分則來到111.7 ,所以 Howard 的防守評比是 -6.6(105.1-111.7) ;世界和平的 數值是強硬的 -5.4;Steve Nash 則以正值 1.4,讓團隊防守更糟了。至於 Kobe的數 值是多少?3.2,沒錯,比 Nash還糟。他的數值大約與 Antawn Jamison差不多,僅僅 「落後於」Earl Clark令人驚訝的正3.9(難怪他一直在輪替名單的內外跑來跑去)。 數據上來說,由於有 Earl Clark 的關係,Kobe 並不是「隊上最糟糕的防守者」。 But wait, it gets worse. Kobe Bryant also said this: 但等一下,還有更糟糕的事。Kobe Bryant 也說過這段話: It’s just X’s and O’s. If you look at the game, it’s just strategy and adjustments. They put us in positions where we have to pick and choose, and we weren't able to counter that. It’s really that simple. I probably have to take the lead a little bit in that department. It’s not really like a rah-rah situation when I communicate with the guys. It will always be about what the team did to put us in positions where we had to pick our poison and give up something. We just got to look at the film and make some adjustments where we’re putting them on their heels a little bit. 「這只是一些基礎的事情。如果你認真看了比賽,(防守)只是策略與調整的問題。 對手讓我們陷入必須防守誰(而無法防守誰)的狀況,而我們無法應付,就是這麼簡 單。在那方面,我或許必須做得更好一點。這不是我熱烈地鼓勵隊友就能辦到的(這 段看不太懂,rah-rah situation 是什麼?),而永遠是對手把我們丟到『你死定了 !問題只剩你打算怎麼死』的狀況,我們被迫(在防守上)放棄某些事情。我們得回 去看影片、做出調整、然後對對手做同樣的事情。」 Kobe needs to take the lead in formulating the defensive strategy and adjustments? This is like if a wolf were on the board of directors for a chicken farm, decided to blast the farmer for failing to prevent the mysterious disappearance of all the chickens that the wolf was eating, then provided a plan for enhanced security. Step 1: Stop eating the f**king chickens. Kobe 需要領頭塑造團隊防守策略與調整?這好像養雞場的董事會裡有隻狼,他們 決定去痛電農夫,沒能預防那些小雞的神祕失蹤(其實是被狼吃掉了),然後提出 了一個加強維安的計畫。第一步:不要再吃那些他媽的雞了。 You want some defensive adjustments, Kobe? How about you stop letting your man beat you down court by five steps while you complain to the referees or ponder how on earth you could have missed that shot you just took? How about you don't stare at the ball on the other side of the court like a 15 year old stares at Kate Upton in a bikini? How about you stick to your man instead of choosing which opponent to defend with a random number generator? Then, once you've done all that and the Lakers still continue to struggle defensively, we can talk about what adjustments the team needs to make. Kobe,你想來點防守上的調整嗎?要不要考慮一下:不要再發生「你跟裁判抱怨、或者 懷疑怎麼可能投丟了那顆球」的同時,讓對手切過你五步的狀況?(回防時)不要停留 在後場,像個十五歲的男孩盯著身穿比基尼的 Kate Upton 一般盯著那顆球?盯住你該 防守的人,不要(在換防的時候)用亂數產生器來決定你現在想守哪個人?如果你能改 善這些情況,而湖人仍在防守端掙扎時,我們再來談湖人隊該做出什麼調整。 (譯註:http://0rz.tw/45MSO) That's the worst part about all this. Not that Kobe Bryant has been comically bad defensively for large parts of the season. Not that his terrible defense is so clearly a matter of choice (and not because the game has passed him by). Conscientiously or not, Kobe Bryant is scapegoating his own terrible defensive play as a team weakness, and in doing so, he is implying that the blame for that failure belongs with Mike D'Antoni because he is known for being weak defensively. Kobe is holding D'Antoni and the team accountable for their inability to build a scheme around Kobe's completely irrational defensive actions. This is hypocrisy in its purest form. 以上這些才是最糟糕的部分,而非 Kobe 本季大部分的防守都滑稽般地糟、或者他那 糟糕的防守只是「願不願意在防守端出力」的問題。不管 Kobe 是否有憑良心說話, 「團隊弱點」成為「他個人糟糕的防守」的代罪羔羊。而這麼做,Kobe也暗示了:防 守端的失敗要歸咎於 Mike D'Antoni,畢竟 MD 的防守是出名的弱。Kobe要求D'Antoni 與團隊,為他個人完全不負責任的防守方式負責,這是最極致的偽君子。 On the surface, Kobe Bryant is doing what leaders do: Preaching calm in the face of adversity, formulating a plan, and holding his team accountable for their collective shortcomings. But team accountability has to start with individual accountability. By camouflaging his own terrible defense under the umbrella of a "team" weakness, and assuming leadership as the provider of answers to the problems that he himself is most responsible for creating, Kobe is undermining his coach and leaving his teammates out to dry so that he can save face. 表面上,Kobe 做了任何領導人都會做的事:要求大家在面對困難時保持冷靜、弄個新 計劃出來、讓全隊對共同的弱點負責。但是,把他個人糟糕的防守,偽裝在「團隊」 弱點的大傘之下;當他承擔領導責任、為這些防守問題提供答案的時候,他正是最需要 對這些問題負起責任的人。Kobe正在減弱教練的影響力、把問題丟給隊友,只為了維護 自己的顏面。 There is a strong possibility that Kobe Bryant is 100% right. Mike D'Antoni might be a terrible defensive coach with a complete inability to make defensive adjustments to combat a strategy that has been tearing the Lakers apart all season. Lord knows D'Antoni's defensive reputation lends credence to that line of thinking. There is also a strong possibility that, even with Kobe Bryant playing engaged and strategically smart, the Lakers will still struggle with team defense. There are, after all, quite a few old, slow players on the roster, some of whom were never good defenders to begin with. The Lakers may be desperately in need of the help that Kobe's keen basketball mind can bring to the table. 也非常可能 Kobe (的發言)百分之百正確:Mike D'Antoni 在防守端或許是個糟糕的 教練,完全沒有能力做出防守上的調整,讓湖人整季都得應對(對手)把湖人拆得四分 五裂的攻擊方式。天知道為什麼,D'Antoni在防守上的「名聲」,讓前述的想法聽起來 還挺有道理的。另外,即使 Kobe 全力投入比賽、在策略上打得很聰明,湖人也非常可 能仍然深陷防守泥沼當中。畢竟,隊上有不少既老且慢的球員,而且他們的球員生涯從 來都不是個好的防守者。湖人非常需要「Kobe對籃球精銳的理解」能帶來的協助。 But its really, really hard to listen to what the wolf has to say when he won't stop eating the f**king chickens. 但是,在狼還不停止吃那些他媽的雞之前,你真的非常非常不會想去聽那隻狼想講什麼。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.34.108.34

03/27 15:46, , 1F
5冠81分2鍋1綠帽105+斬
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說的一嘴好球 阿不就跟我一樣是鍵盤防守(?
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1變態1腫脹
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這2個湖迷一定不是科迷 22K酸民閉嘴
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03/27 15:48, , 5F
數據對兩個人不適用 一個是科比 一個是老基
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另一個人我不敢說
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*三個人
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03/27 15:50, , 8F
說真的 簽下NASH 防守工作老大會變很重沒錯
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03/27 15:50, , 9F
但是老大今年卻看起來沒很重(ry
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03/27 15:50, , 10F
推原文翻譯了~辛苦
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03/27 15:51, , 11F
老大就是強
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03/27 15:52, , 12F
rah-rah就是啦啦(隊)
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03/27 15:53, , 13F
樓上,基德防守可比某科好多了
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基德把KOBE守到在地上爬滾沒看過嗎?
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老大去年防守第二隊耶 作者酸酸
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03/27 15:55, , 16F
老大:賴給咖索這招無效了嗎?XD
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爽~~
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Earl Clark也是挺明顯的 看比賽就看的出來
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03/27 15:57, , 19F
仙迷批Nash防守爛,卻忽略老大...
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03/27 15:59, , 20F
Step 1: Stop eating the f**king chickens.
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03/27 15:59, , 21F
李寶傑是-3.8 好威
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03/27 16:01, , 22F
剛看一下典偉更威 快跟窩屁一樣了= =
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03/27 16:05, , 23F
Nash防守果然很好。不意外
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03/27 16:08, , 24F
典偉有接受Jordan式訓練,跟老大的就是不一樣
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這網站越看越覺得LBJ根本是火星人
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Net Points per 100 Possessions 是16 完電所有人
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03/27 16:16, , 27F
要延長生涯又要幹分,防守這種不出風頭的活...
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03/27 16:18, , 28F
那3個球迷會被燒房子嗎
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03/27 16:49, , 29F
[么吉] C.A. Clark 永久水桶
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結果nash長期被貼上漏洞標簽 laoda進防守第一隊 lol
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他又不是上場防守的
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03/27 16:55, , 32F
如果Kobe今年再進防守前兩隊的話...
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03/27 16:58, , 33F
想看大歐跟石佛顛峰時期時的數值
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03/27 16:59, , 34F
Kobe前年還進防守第一隊就很值得質疑了,去年才首度
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還不是年度第一隊 防守第二隊
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掉到防守第二隊(03年以來)
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Kobe的防守真的很強,我是說曾經啦……
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年輕時的確是大鎖 但前兩年都進防守前兩隊...
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就真的是星度問題了
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還有 42 則推文
還有 1 段內文
03/27 19:41, , 82F
你就跟你腦中的湖迷對話吧!自己補對話情節捕得很開心
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在場上時和"同位置對手"表現的差異 =.=
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喜歡罵這類的迷迷,卻眼中只想看到他們的言論 顆顆
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我沒看出你有甚麼分別啊~~
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縱使KB在怎麼不防守,對位的PER diff也會是正的
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進攻組很辛苦 他們沒力防守 防守組進攻一打鐵就該死
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這樣你懂了嗎? PER本身對功能球員,苦力球員就很吃虧
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一個幹髒活的你期望球在他手上給你多少數據嗎= =
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不用爭啦 就老話 那麼好用就-續簽當主力 謝謝指教~
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DH糟透惹 快讓沙魁有上場機會養成小鯊魚吧~~
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DH>>Sacre有問題嗎? 問題在對這兩人期望值的不同
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Linsanity的時候難道Lin>CP3嗎...你的邏輯有事嗎?
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03/27 19:56, , 94F
哈欠 你覺得自己不是我指的湖迷 然後又要自己跳進來
03/27 19:56, 94F

03/27 19:57, , 95F
這是誰邏輯有事啊..我現在覺得你比那些湖迷還蝦惹..
03/27 19:57, 95F

03/27 19:59, , 96F
期望值只是鞭特定球員的藉口吧 不然三千萬這個期望值
03/27 19:59, 96F

03/27 20:01, , 97F
的連基本防都散漫的差勁態度應該是檢討的首要對象吧
03/27 20:01, 97F

03/27 20:01, , 98F
奇怪了~我覺得我不是跟跳進來討論是兩回事吧
03/27 20:01, 98F

03/27 20:02, , 99F
KB防守的問題很大,只是似乎沒人敢挑明了對他說
03/27 20:02, 99F

03/27 20:03, , 100F
Barnes還在湖人的時候就常常補防補到很無奈...
03/27 20:03, 100F

03/27 20:04, , 101F
偶爾一對一卯起來防真的不能算什麼,這只是證明他還有
03/27 20:04, 101F

03/27 20:04, , 102F
很好的單防能力,但是團隊防守是需要默契,隊中有個人
03/27 20:04, 102F

03/27 20:05, , 103F
平時該補的不補,三不五時遇到頂尖球星又卯起來防
03/27 20:05, 103F

03/27 20:05, , 104F
這會讓隊友在防守輪轉上無所適從,這些都是KB的大問題
03/27 20:05, 104F

03/27 20:06, , 105F
好啦 你認真討論我也不喜歡針對版友啦 ~ 和氣相處~
03/27 20:06, 105F

03/27 20:08, , 106F
也是,我都忘記這裡沒有在認真討論的...my bad
03/27 20:08, 106F

03/27 20:12, , 107F
別人提供的數據和見解你就說不認真 這樣就不對啦
03/27 20:12, 107F

03/27 20:15, , 108F
樓上不要回馬槍啦XD
03/27 20:15, 108F

03/27 20:16, , 109F
PER diff去年蛋皮是-2.6 有興趣可以去參考其他苦力
03/27 20:16, 109F

03/27 20:17, , 110F
然後理解別人在"認真"表述的是PER diff -17.4 那是掉
03/27 20:17, 110F

03/27 20:18, , 111F
推 duke7814 :可是 北韓還是一片河蟹 歌舞昇平之
03/27 20:18, 111F

03/27 20:18, , 112F
北韓資訊不發達
03/27 20:18, 112F

03/27 20:20, , 113F
到在聯盟生存邊緣 球隊因情勢不得不只好用的球員
03/27 20:20, 113F

03/27 20:24, , 114F
還有 別誤會我是討厭Sacre 這不是他的問題
03/27 20:24, 114F

03/27 20:44, , 115F
這樣還有年度防守球隊...
03/27 20:44, 115F

03/27 21:30, , 116F
有圖有推
03/27 21:30, 116F

03/28 00:11, , 117F
中肯推
03/28 00:11, 117F

03/28 00:21, , 118F
推圖
03/28 00:21, 118F

03/28 00:35, , 119F
咕咕咕~~~
03/28 00:35, 119F

03/28 00:40, , 120F
把力氣花在防守上要怎麼洗數據,傻傻的
03/28 00:40, 120F

03/28 01:07, , 121F
不然簽草莓獸幹嘛? 當然就是要偷懶才能繼續打鐵啊
03/28 01:07, 121F
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