Re: [問題] 車手風格?

看板Moto_GP作者 (科科)時間14年前 (2011/06/18 16:41), 編輯推噓26(26推 0噓 50→)
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鄉民分析再多也只能算嘴砲 直接看車手的發言或許會比較有參考價值(雖然嘴砲也滿多的 XD) 先不論車手的技術或風格 他們對於跑在旁邊的廠車性能觀察確是相對客觀一點 Edwards對於賽道上Honda及Ducati的一些感想 節錄於某場跟今年Indy GP有關的記者會 http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jun/110617loq1.htm Q: Colin, could you give us a quick rundown of the strengths of the other bikes as you've seen them this season, please. EDWARDS: Of all the bikes? 問:能不能講一下其他家車廠的優缺點 Q: Well, Ducati and Honda, specifically. EDWARDS: OK. The biggest problem we have with the Honda is that initial touch of the throttle to shifting up through second, third, fourth gear. I can't touch them. I can't stay with them. It doesn't matter if I'm behind Simoncelli or Stoner or Pedrosa, I can't get anywhere close to them. 龍:Honda從起步 二檔 三檔 四檔就是一整個快 不管是在西毛還是Stoner還是Pedrosa後面 完全跟不上 It seems like they're pulling bike lengths that you're always trying to make up at the end of the straightaway on the brakes, and that becomes difficult after about two laps. 他們在直線拉出來的距離只能在直線底靠煞車拼回來 但是差不多兩圈後就連晚煞車也追不到了 The Ducati, on the other hand, I don't really see a massive strength compared to our bike. Top speed, it seems like I can pass Valentino or Nicky, if I want to, on a straight if I'm right behind them. Ducati在馬力輸出上佔不到什麼便宜 就尾速來說 在直線上如果吃到Rossi或黑燈的尾流的話 要巴掉他們輕而易舉 Exit of the corner, entry. Probably a weakness of the Ducati seems to be entry. 出彎跟入彎... Ducati的弱點大概是入彎吧 Hard braking and getting the thing in comfortably seems to be one of their biggest issues. I know they're playing around with different chassis or whatever now. But the Honda definitely looks like it has an advantage, I would say, 100 percent. 重煞後把車安穩的帶入彎中一直是他們最大的問題 就我所知他們試過不同的車架之類的東西 但是就算如此 我認為Honda還是有百分之百的優勢 Q: What about the Ducati? What about Valentino, what about Nicky, on the gas and in other situations? 問:再多說一點Ducati的事吧.... EDWARDS: I wouldn't say advantage or disadvantage. From the time of touching the throttle, the Ducati look at times that it can almost like hiccup. It has a little hiccup. 他們的動力輸出似乎不太平順 I don't know if it's the engine or electronics. Everything will look smooth, and then the next thing you know, it will get a little huh-huh, like a little twitch. 我不曉得是引擎還是電子系統的關係 當一切都看起來很順的時候 就突然抖了一下 And guys got the feet off the footpegs, and that's not very confidence-inspiring when it didn't do that the lap before, if you know what I'm saying. 還把車手的腳從腳踏上震下來 當前幾圈一切正常而下一圈卻這樣.. 這對車手對車的信任有很大影響 As far as the Ducati, mainly it looks like entry for me. Whenever I'm behind those guys, it looks like entry is the biggest thing that they're fighting confidence on. 不過就我在他們後面的觀察 入彎仍然是Ducati最大的問題 Q: You're back to your status as being the best satellite team rider, as you were in '09. 10 wasn't so good. Can you give us an idea of what machinery level you've had the last couple of years compared to the works Yamahas? 問:你現在是成績最好的衛星車隊車手 跟09年一樣 但是去年表現卻不是很好 過去幾年Yamaha衛星車隊與廠隊的車有什麼不同? EDWARDS: It was pretty well known last year that we were on, more or less, a chassis from '07, '08. We had that chassis for three years, with no real improvements. 龍:去年我們用的車架是從07年就開始用的舊貨 沒什麼昇級.. At the same time, we had some engine troubles last year. We had quite a big flat spot, mid-range area, which wasn't helping things. As far as the factory guys, there was a humongous gap last year. We knew that. 引擎也沒好的那去 中段出力跟廠隊比差了很多 I thought Ben (Spies) did an absolutely fabulous job doing what he did last year. 我覺得Ben Spies用這台車跑出去年的成績實在很厲害 This year, we are probably closer than we've been since I've been on the satellite team. 今年呢 大概是自從我到衛星車隊後最接近廠隊的一年 Sure, I don't know what engine they have. Sure, their engine is going to be something a little bit different, or smoother or better or more powerful or whatever. 引擎 他們的大概更平順更有力一點 Chassis, I think we're pretty much right on par with them. It's just little differences here and there. 車架 差不了多少 有些小小的不同 Electrics, sure, they might have something a little different than us. But at least we're in the realm, at least, this year. Last year we were just nowhere close. 電子系統 他們一定有些不一樣的地方 但是至少今年我們速度跟得上 去年就差遠了 -- 噗噗噗~~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.124.182.169
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06/18 16:46, , 1F
反映出石頭人的價值
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抖了一下....科科
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Ducati:我尿急抖了一下而已...
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Stoner去年下半年的成績真的是很強，換了舊前叉差真多
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同樣的車如果給ROSSI跑有辦法跟STONER一樣嗎？
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我覺得還是個性問題，Stoner很敢拼，才會在Ducati的後期
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有太多的獨走摔。至於Rossi，就是老油條　XD 今年只看他
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拼過一次（就第二戰那次），Rossi一向都是穩穩拿分，有得
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拼才弄一下的類型這樣
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給石頭M1 有辦法像Rossi和L99那樣嗎?
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那要看Yamaha挖不挖得動他　XD
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Stoner要上GP時 Y廠隊有想過要找他
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06/18 19:04, , 13F
同樣的車也要同設定阿
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我覺得D牌或許把07年的舊車拿出來整理可能還比較厲害一些
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我覺得應該會差不多耶，GP7當時會讓Stoner有如此壓倒性的
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的優勢，也可以說是其他廠對於800cc賽車開發方向錯誤所致
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當其他廠知道原來要這樣搞，D牌的優勢就沒了
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說GP11爛也可以說他們進步的速度太慢
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it can almost like hiccup. 哈 打嗝...
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to 某樓 給猴子GP11 有辦法像Stoner那樣嗎??
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要是sto沒跳槽 搞不好(嘴砲)還是一半dnf一半摸頒獎台
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所以，討論假設性問題是無止境的　XD
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可惜就算講已經發生的事 還是會被模糊焦點
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如果去年RC212V一場比賽都贏不了,石頭人今年可以讓RC212V
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贏那才是神..Ducati今年連直線都輸,2007Ducati有這麼沒競
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爭力? ROSSI就算在Ducati贏不了總冠軍,頂多只是騎不慣非日
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系車,不過我想明年ROSSI應該可以讓Ducati獲勝機率大幅增加
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用2007的GP11相比2003的M1根本是笑話?要比啥?
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也只能期待明年，這種還是砍掉重練最快
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可以拿2010跟2011年的d牌車比較嗎= =
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我可以拿sto騎d牌車還是能上頒獎台的事實來說嘴嗎
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Ducati今年表現很難期待成績很好...
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一台是馬力兇猛,駕馭不好就掰掰,一台當初是起跑後很快就被
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甩在後頭,連上頒獎台的機會都沒有,想贏的車手會選那台?
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閣下的意思是我用張飛打岳飛?
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看來ROSSI只能期待好車了
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騎Ducati技術不如Stoner，只好等Jerry Burgess的團隊
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調出能讓Rossi贏的車了
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其實現在沒有用明顯較差的車也能名列前茅的例子啊....
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只有Sto這個火星人這例子..
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Stoner這幾年的車有很差嗎....？
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誰車好誰車爛這種話題已經討論到快爛了...
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好的車也是需要好的車手來發揮....
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比賽勝負就是一切!!!不需要太多藉口
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反過來說，好的車手也是要有好車來相輔
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Rossi需要好車才有好成績
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我相信沒有好車一定沒有成績，anyone
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至少知道D軍的車一向很不穩 每次比賽都看它前叉在抖抖抖
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我不知道Rossi需要好車才有好成績的結論哪來的..
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他是還證明的不夠嗎要這樣被酸
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可能要征服日本四大名駒，再騎德國鐵馬贏一下之後才ok XD
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拿七個世界冠軍的人也還是會被酸
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2004第一場直線還是被RC221V巴假的,看來M1還真是台好車耶.
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211 看來2004的M1是台好車
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吃不到葡萄就說葡萄酸!!大家都一樣!!!
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Rossi會被討厭很大一部份原因不是因為他 是因為他的fans
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樓上中肯
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Rossi 厚可憐啊 QQ
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樓樓樓上超中肯 好像很多人事物都是這樣....
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就突然抖了一下.... (抖
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Schumi再怎樣神 也是需要好車的(默......)
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幽默哦 討厭一個人也要牽托XD 我討厭陳水X 是因為他的眼鏡
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不是在寶島配的
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因為Rossi拿不到冠軍的那年，世界冠軍都被酸靠車強~
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不然就是運氣好~
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Rossi贏是車手的功勞, 別人贏就是車強或者其他人表現
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不好才贏得, 看了快7年MOTOGP的小感想
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黑燈2006真的運氣好,才會被酸分站冠軍比ROSSI還少還拿世界
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冠軍...
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不過黑燈那年是蠻穩的...積分穩穩拿...
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奇怪了 世界冠軍是比積分還是比分站冠軍數? 還"黑燈2006
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真的運氣好"勒 只有Rossi贏是車手的功勞 別人贏是運氣好
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o時候就是要踹一下小肯尼,那才叫連滾帶爬拿世界冠軍
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問題那也是貨真價實的世界冠軍.而且還是騎Suzuki XD
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SUZUKI的最後一個冠軍阿 不是2行程SUZUKI就不行了
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也只能期待明年，這種還 https://daxiv.com
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