Re: [閒聊] 陰陽眼老實說

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※ 引述《melzard (南海之星)》之銘言 : 美國人當然信有鬼吧 : 聖經都寫到有耶穌把鬼趕走的劇情了 : 一個總統按著聖經宣示就職的國家 : 他們不信還比較奇怪對啊 : 只是主流科學政治正確沒人會公然大談這玩意 : 沒遇過的人不信就是不信 : 畢竟無法再現有效觀測的玩意你怎麼 : 說服別人 : ----- : Sent from JPTT on my iPhone 推 XXXXROA : 他們的惡魔跟亞洲的鬼概念不太一樣吧 → melzard: 沒有惡魔跟鬼是不一樣的玩意聖經上寫的就趕鬼不是趕惡 08/19 09:03 → melzard: 魔 08/19 09:03 → melzard: 尤其聖經上就鬼和惡魔兩個詞同時出現不該混用吧對啊神學家主流見解認為實際上鬼就是惡魔 unclean/evil spirit = 撒旦/墮天使撒旦（Satan）=天使長覺得自己很強很厲害很尊貴很牛逼覺得自己支楞起來了最後就背叛上帝變成魔鬼 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;I will make myself like the Most High .（Isaiah 14:14）（撒旦說他將會升到雲端之上成為至高者）啟示錄描述了一場天上的戰爭 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.（Revelation 12:7）（天上爆發了一場戰爭米迦勒和他的天使們與龍戰鬥龍與從屬龍的天使們發起了反擊） His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth (R evelation 12:4) (龍的尾巴捲走了天上1/3的星星指的就是撒旦帶著1/3的天使叛變) but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.（Reve lation 12:8）（但龍與他的天使被打敗了天上再也沒有龍的容身之處） And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and h is angels were thrown down with him.（Revelation 12:9）（龍被丟到大地上那條被稱為撒旦的古蛇欺騙了整個世界也跟著龍一起被丟到大地上跟著撒旦一起造反的天使們也被一起扔到了大地上） And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.（Luke 10:18）耶穌說他看見撒旦像閃電一樣從天堂墜落下來 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."（Matthew 12:24）法利賽人（猶太人的一個派別）把撒旦叫做別西卜所以可以知道撒旦原本是智天使（Cherubim）是所有天使中最崇高的但是他覺得自己很牛逼不滿足自己現在的地位就帶著1/3的天使背叛上帝想要把上帝從他的寶座上踢下來然後撒旦跟他的天使們被打敗被丟到大地上被永遠逐出天堂裡面提到的蛇就是欺騙亞當夏娃吃智慧果實的那條蛇這條蛇是撒旦變的通常都是這樣認為的龍跟蛇都是撒旦變的那人死掉會不會變成鬼 It’s in the Bible, Job 7:9-10, NKJV. “As the cloud disappears and vanishes awa y, so he who goes down to the grave does not come up. He shall never return to h is house, nor shall his place know him anymore." he shall never return to his house 進墳墓就不會再出來也不會再回到自己家中所以可以知道人死掉不會變成鬼那人死掉會去哪 Hebrews 9:27 declares, “Man is destined to die once, and after that to face jud gment.” 人註定會死並且死後還有一場審判那在死之後到最後的審判之前這段時間會在哪路加福音16章有財主與拉撒路的故事描述 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with s ores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs c ame and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torme nt, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he ca lled to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip o f his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received you r good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here a nd you are in agony. 財主很有錢有個乞丐被放在財主家門前財主根本不屌他乞丐只能吃財主桌子上掉下來的屑屑有錢的財主死後到了Hades 這個Hades充滿折磨沒錢的乞丐Lazarus到了Abraham’s side 在亞伯拉罕的身邊不用受苦但其實路加福音這段還蠻有爭議的因為會上天堂還是下地獄是要經過上帝最後的審判但是聖經在這個地方其實寫的很不明確如果用正常的邏輯來看財主跟乞丐肯定是發生在最後審判之前那既然在最後審判之前有不同去處所以被推測應該是死後暫時會去的地方在這兩個地方等待審判但也有人說這個只是比喻對比永恆的享福在現實中短暫的痛苦不算什麼而不是說真的去了兩個不同地方所以也有人說人死後就是待在墳墓裡失憶無意識等待審判活人可以跟死人說話嗎 For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hat red, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anyth ing done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, NKJV 活人會知道死人死了但死人記憶已經被清空 the memory of them is forgotten 死人已經什麼都不知道了所以那種跟死去的人溝通的都是騙人的死去的人已經know nothing了他什麼都忘記了你是不可能跟死人溝通的 "Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be d efiled by them: I am the LORD your God." 那那些自稱能夠溝通到的是溝通到了什麼既然死人know nothing 那到底是誰正在跟他溝通答案是偽裝成死人的鬼是鬼在欺騙你想要讓你脫離上帝都是魔鬼的手段假裝是死去的親人在欺騙你讓你對鬼信任轉而放棄對上帝的信任好那問題來了所以聖經是怎麼看待鬼的聖經裡面常常會出現一個詞叫做 Unclean spirit/evil spirit 很多人可能會以為Unclean spirit 是人死掉變的但看上面說的就知道實際上人死掉不會變成鬼那鬼到底是啥聖經並沒有說所以最主流的見解認為 Unclean Spirit 就是魔鬼就是撒旦跟那些墮落的天使有一種見解是說污靈是拿非利人的靈魂拿非利人是啥從創世紀第6章可以看到 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to th em (Genesis 6:1) （當人類開始在大地上繁衍並剩下女兒時） the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they marrie d any of them they chose (Genesis 6:2) （“神的兒子”看到人類的女兒很美麗就跟人類的女兒結婚） The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These wer e the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. (Genesis 6:4) （神的兒子與人的女兒結合人類的女兒生了兒子叫做拿非林人這些人是古時候的英雄名聲顯赫）那問題在於 sons of God 是誰是什麼很多學者認為sons of God是墮落天使因為舊約提到sons of God 指的就是天使那就會是墮落天使與人類女性交配生下拿非利人拿非利人就是巨人撒母耳記上就有提到一個叫做歌利亞的巨人身高差不多是300公分這也是為什麼上帝發大洪水滅掉人類因為人類已經被墮落天使給污染了拿非利人是墮天使與人類交配的可怕後代所以要消滅但這很大程度上是推測出來的因為聖經只有說人類太惡了上帝要滅掉人類沒有說是因為跟上帝的兒子交配才要消滅人類但不管怎麼說拿非利人就是人類跟上帝的兒子交配生下來的產物上帝的兒子是誰不重要聖經也沒說但拿非利人確實在聖經中是存在的民數記13:32-33也有提到拿非林人的高大 All the people we saw there are of great size. And there we saw the Nephilim 那上帝發動大洪水同樣也會淹死拿非利人正常來說拿非利人應該在大洪水之後就全部死亡了但是前面民數記已經是在大洪水之後看到拿非利人代表拿非利人沒有在大洪水裡面死絕但不管怎麼說絕大多數都拿非利人都死了那問題就在於拿非利人死後會去哪里拿非利人並不是人類人類死後絕對不會留在人間但是拿非林人的靈魂可能會留在人間也就是說拿非林人被殺掉之後還是有能力留在世界上不會像人類一樣死掉就直接被踢出去了所以可以知道惡魔（devil）= 撒旦跟他的墮落天使們污靈、鬼（unclean spirit）=撒旦跟他的墮落天使們 or 拿非利人死後的靈魂所以鬼有可能跟惡魔是同義詞而且很大概率也是同義詞拿非利人那個流派很明顯就是有點幻想出來的但不管怎麼說什麼惡魔還是鬼這些東西都跟人無關人死掉沒有資格變鬼鬼的前身是天使天使>>>>>>>人人算甚麼咖死後就給我滾出去人間沒你的位子大概這樣謝謝喔 -- https://i.imgur.com/CQh30Jb.gif