Re: [問題] 旅法師等幾個問題
※ 引述《s123839 (♡肉肉熊♡)》之銘言：
: Q1:The Rack 或 Megrim 的效應被觸發時，我可以選擇將傷害轉移到該玩家所操控的
: Planeswalker嗎?
: Q2:當Yixlid Jailer在戰場時，具有Persist異能的生物被置入墳場，其效應依舊會觸發
: 對嗎?
: Q3:當Humility在戰場時，具有Persist異能的生物被置入墳場，其效應不會觸發
: 對嗎?
: 以上問題也不知道說法正不正確，有誤請指正，希望有善心人士幫忙解惑，感謝
Q2,Q3是很麻煩的問題
詳見規則603.d
603.6d Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to
see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that
exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and
what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered
abilities must be treated specially because the object with the ability may
no longer be on the battlefield, may have moved to a hand or library, or may
no longer be controlled by the appropriate player. The game has to "look back
in time" to determine if these abilities trigger. Leaves-the-battlefield
abilities, abilities that trigger when a permanent phases out, abilities that
trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or
library, abilities that trigger specifically when an object becomes
unattached, abilities that trigger when a player loses control of an object,
and abilities that trigger when a player planeswalks away from a plane will
trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the
event rather than afterward.
個人不負責任式翻譯：
603.6d 正常來說，物件一旦存在就要立即檢查是否有任何符合觸發條件的事件。
在物件存在時就存在的持續性效應也要被考慮進去觸發條件與該物件的狀態中。
然而，部分觸發式異能必須要特別處理，因為具該異能的物件也許已不在戰場上
也許是被移到手牌或牌庫裡，或是不再被該當的玩家操控。
離場異能，
當永久物躍離時觸發的異能
某物件在所有玩家都看得到的情形下被置入手牌或牌庫時觸發的異能
特定於某物件成為未結附觸發的異能
特定於玩家失去某物件操控權時觸發的異能
還有在玩家走出某時空時觸發的異能
這些異能，是要根據其在原處原狀態的情形下判斷有無觸發
也就是在事件發生之前的狀態，而非發生之後。
Example: Two creatures are on the battlefield along with an artifact that has
the ability "Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from the
battlefield, you gain 1 life." Someone plays a spell that destroys all
artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. The artifact's ability triggers
twice, even though the artifact goes to its owner's graveyard at the same
time as the creatures.
舉件來說：戰場上有兩個生物，還有一個具有
「每當一個生物從戰場進入墳墓場時，你獲得1點生命」的神器。
有玩家使用了一個消滅所有神器、生物還有結界的咒語。
該神器的異能會觸發兩次，即使該神器是跟那些生物同時進入其擁有者的墳墓場的。
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再來考慮原問題
留存是個關鍵字異能，其意義為
「當此永久物從戰場進入墳墓場時，如果其上沒有-1/-1指示物
則將它在其擁有者的操控下返回戰場，並帶有一個-1/-1指示物」
看到關鍵字了沒，從戰場移動到某區域的異能就是離場異能
也就是要特別處理的觸發式異能之一
要判斷其異能有沒有觸發得看其在場上的情形，而非在墳場的情形
所以如果謙卑在場，那麼留存的異能就會被蓋掉無法觸發
而相對的異西裡獄卒就阻止不了留存的觸發了
可以參考台灣官網的這篇文章：
http://www.wotctaiwan.com/MTG/MTG-column-0704-1.html
雖然當時是舊規則，但是這個概念一樣是通用的
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