[外電] 大谷翔平有沒有2億鎂的價值?

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來源:ESPN 網址:http://tinyurl.com/y9hawk9e Olney: How can Shohei Otani make up $200 million in squandered value? 大谷翔平有2億鎂的價值嗎? Let’s get this part of the Shohei Otani drama out of the way: All 30 Major League Baseball teams will presumably submit the paperwork indicating a willingness to pay the $20 million posting fee for the multitalented star. A failure to do so -- even for executives who believe they have no chance of landing Otani -- would be the general manager’s version of failing to run out a ground ball. No GM wants to explain to his fan base why he didn’t at least express formal interest in the player who will dominate baseball’s offseason. 讓我們把這齣『大谷劇』用這樣的方式來說吧:全大聯盟30隊應該都會提出文件說他們都 願意出2000萬鎂的出價費來爭取大谷加盟。哪隊沒出文件的--即使是那些根本一絲一毫都 沒機會的隊伍--就會像是球場版『連滾地球都封殺不了的選手』的球隊總管。沒有球隊總 管會想去跟球迷解釋,為什麼球隊連試都沒試試看去爭取一下大谷。 Beyond that, the anticipated chase of Otani is shrouded in mystery, with evaluators trying to figure out what factors will make the difference when the would-be pitcher and slugger makes his decision about where he will play. 在那之外,競逐大谷的故事發展就將會是一場謎了,大家將會猜測到底哪些因素會影響這 投打雙刀流的大物做將來去哪裡打球的決定。 Could it be geography? Could it be market size? Could it be friendships? Could it be the recruiting talents of former Japanese stars, such as Ichiro Suzuki or Hideki Matsui? Could Otani's endorsement opportunities be pivotal? Could it be the agent’s relationship with specific teams? Could it be the designated hitter rule? 會是地理因素?會是市場大小?會是他跟誰的友誼?或是球隊之前有收過日本球員像是朗 神或是松井秀喜?又或是大谷的代言機會?還是他的經紀人跟某些球隊關係比較好?還是 有或沒指定打擊的球隊? Could it be none of the above and really pivot around something that no team knows about? 還是以上皆非,然後真正重要的因素沒有任何球隊知道? Scouts have invested a lot of time trying to find clues to the formula for landing Otani, and yet, one evaluator said recently, “It’s incredible how many unknowns there are.” 球探們花了一堆的時間嘗試找到線索,找出如何可以得到大谷的方式,但是目前為止,有 一個說法出現,「有太多未知的因素了~」 That Otani will apparently forge ahead with plans to play in MLB in 2018 in spite of the fact that he stands to make more money by waiting two years has only increased the appreciation for the player. “It tells you that he’s serious about wanting to play against the best possible competition,” one executive said. “He’s putting his money where his mouth is.” 大谷已經開始計畫要在2018年在大聯盟打球,雖然他若是再等兩年他的價值會更高。「那 告訴你他是很認真的想要跟最好的球員打球,」一個球團高層說。「他要用實力表現來說 話。」 As far as we know, anyway; Otani has actually been extremely careful in talking about his plans, a reticence that has only increased the uncertainty for teams as they try to assess the situation. 就目前所知,大谷現在對於他未來打球的計畫發言都非常的小心-這增加球團在評估的不 確定性。 In some respects, Otani’s circumstances are a lot like those for a five-star college basketball recruit: Teams will attend his games as much to be seen as they are to see him, to reinforce the perception of their interest. And, some of those interested in Otani wonder about what rule-bending financial arrangements might take place. 在某些方面,大谷的狀況有點像是在招募5星級的大學球員:球團們會盡量去看他的比賽, 確定球團對他是否有興趣;甚至,對他有興趣的球團可能會因為想得到他去改變他們的財 務安排。 One evaluator estimated that, in a vacuum, Otani might be worth $200 million if he was a free agent up for auction. But because of the terms of the collective bargaining agreement executed by MLB and the players' association last fall, the most that Otani, 23, can receive is the money available under the international signing restrictions. The Associated Press reported the other day that the Texas Rangers could offer the most money to Otani at $3.535 million. The New York Yankees can offer $3.25 million. Offers from other teams would be in the same fiscal neighborhood, which is what a lot of middle relievers receive -- not superstar-level players, which is what executives expect Otani will be, whether he eventually pitches, hits or does both. His fastball has been clocked as high as 101 mph recently, and last year, he batted .322, with an OPS of 1.004. Otani played through an ankle problem and batted .341 this year. 有個評估報告是說-大谷如果是個FA大家都可以標的話,他會有2億鎂的價值。但是因為去 年聯盟跟球員工會的團體協商決議,23歲的大谷只能拿低於國際簽約金的限制。幾日前德 州遊騎兵說可能可以開到353萬5千鎂,洋基可以給325萬鎂,而其他有差不多財力的球隊大 概會是給一個中等救援投手的價位--不是像大谷這種超級球員等級的價位,不管最後大谷 是會投,或打,還是投打都做。他的快速球最近測到的是101mph,去年他的打擊是.322, OPS是1.004,今年因為腳踝的問題,打擊率還有.341。 So how do you make up for that $200 million in squandered value, one official wondered. 所以有關人士懷疑,到底大谷的2億鎂價值是怎麼算出來的? A theory floated is that the team that lands Otani could circumvent the financial limitations in place by assuring the player that they won’t tender him a contract after the first or second season, allowing Otani to become a free agent -- with a prenegotiated deal to follow with the team that cut him free. But sources indicate that Major League Baseball would view that as an obvious attempt to effectively break the rules and would come down hard on Otani’s MLB team. “Because there’s no reasonable logic to failing to tender a contract to a young star player other than to get around the rules,” said one official. 目前有個理論在流傳,就是得到大谷的球隊會想辦法規避薪水規定,答應他在大谷打完第 一或第二年之後,不會提出新的合約,這樣大谷就可以成為自由球員--這會是事先就談好 的條件。但是有來源指出聯盟會把這樣的行為視為犯規,會狠很修理讓大谷加入的球隊。 「因為對一個年輕球員沒提出個合約是沒有道理的,除非球隊是在規避規定。」一位官方 人士說到。 Otani’s situation will be highly scrutinized and commissioner Rob Manfred has made it known he wants the integrity of the current international-signing system to be honored. 大谷的案子將是會用放大鏡檢視,而且聯盟主席Manfred也讓球隊知道,他希望大家可以遵 守目前國際簽約系統的規則。 “Otani is a great player,” Manfred said the other day. “We're always interested in having great players in Major League Baseball. From my perspective, I'm more concerned about having the right, durable system than whether a player comes this year or two years from now." 「大谷是個好球員,」Manfred之前說到。「我們對聯盟擁有好球員一直都很有興趣,從我 的角度來看,我更在乎的是有一個好的,持久的招募系統,而不是去在意一個球員是一年 後或是兩年後要來聯盟打球。」 Some evaluators believe that whoever Otani picks to serve as his agent will have to play a crucial role, because that agent may have to arrange an understanding of how the player can recoup his value after 2019, when the rules would allow him to lock in a long-term contract. That kind of off-the-record deal-making is against baseball’s rules, but as one official said, “Let’s not be naïve. ... You’ll need an agent with the relationships to get that done.” 一些評估甚至說,不管大谷選了誰做經紀人,那經紀人非常重要,因為那經紀人得要確保 大谷在2019年後可以拿到符合他身價的約,而且可以讓大谷拿到一個長約。那種台面下的 交易是違反規則的,但是一位官方人士表示,「大家不要太天真了...大谷需要一個有那些 關係的經紀人去幫他把這些事辦下來。」 But no one seems to know Otani well enough to get a sense of what he’ll ask for or expect. Would he want to play in New York, with Masahiro Tanaka? Would he want to play in L.A.? San Francisco? Texas, where his friend Yu Darvish fared well? Does he like the apparent flexibility in how the Dodgers arrange their roster? Would he like a chance to serve as a DH? Would he prefer a pitcher’s park? Would he want to be the latest in the Red Sox tradition of great left-handed hitters and effectively step into the role left behind by David Ortiz? Does he harbor a secret desire to own Milwaukee and have season tickets to the Packers? 但是似乎沒人很瞭解大谷,猜不出大谷要什麼。他想不想在紐約跟田中將大一起打球?他 想不想在LA打?舊金山?或是跟他的朋友達比修曾經打球的德州?他是不是喜歡目前道奇 如何安排他們的輪值?他會不會想打一下指定打擊?他會不會比較想在有利投手的球場打 球?他會不會想成為紅襪最新的左手大砲,接下David Ortiz退休後的空缺?還是他有奇特 的興趣想在Milwaukee定居,或是他有綠灣Packers的季票? Within the industry, there is an expectation that the usual suspects among the big markets will have an advantage -- the Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, Giants, etc. “We can all pick out the five or six teams that probably have a legitimate shot,” one official said. 在棒球世界,大家普遍認為大市場的球隊比較有機會--道奇,洋基,小熊,紅襪,巨人 等。「我們大概可以排出5到6隊比較有機會的球隊,」一個官方人士說。 But no one seems to know for sure, and more and more, it feels like the team Otani eventually signs with will feel like they won baseball's Powerball that will pay annually for years to come. 但是似乎沒人可以確定,而且,越來越多人覺得,簽下大谷的球隊像是買到棒球的威力彩 頭獎,每年都可以拿到回報~ -- “Let’s not be naïve. ... " -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 140.136.8.86 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1505717981.A.C10.html

09/18 15:09, , 1F
賣周邊就差不多回本了吧
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09/18 15:11, , 2F
打打2A聯盟就當寶
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09/18 15:20, , 3F
他會不會想接下David Ortiz退休後的空缺 三小XDD
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09/18 15:27, , 4F
條子今年交易換了一堆international pool回來,意圖明
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09/18 15:31, , 6F
推,翻譯
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09/18 15:33, , 7F
如果打了兩年成績沒有出來 , FA 會有大約嗎? ><
09/18 15:33, 7F

09/18 15:37, , 8F
大谷,賣周邊,回本??? Sure???
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09/18 15:48, , 9F
大谷到底想去哪勒?
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09/18 15:49, , 10F
回二樓,是2A聯盟又如何,一個投球、打擊都屠殺2A聯
09/18 15:49, 10F

09/18 15:49, , 11F
盟,還可以在有腳傷的情況投到101Mph的先發投手,還
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09/18 15:49, , 12F
只有23歲,有誰會不當寶的?!
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09/18 15:51, , 13F
聯盟何不順水推舟開的特例..這種天分的球員又不是每年有
09/18 15:51, 13F

09/18 15:53, , 14F
有天分的每年都有呀,只是這位剛好在日本所以很尷尬這樣
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09/18 15:54, , 15F
特例一開,拉美那些誰要照規矩來? 已經夠不守規矩了
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09/18 15:56, , 16F
完全有理由期待呀這種完成度高天花板更高的球員太稀有了
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09/18 16:00, , 17F
galaraga意圖使人臉腫腫
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09/18 16:04, , 18F
大谷如果兩億美元 那林智勝、王柏融大概3-4億鎂
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09/18 16:14, , 19F
酒鬼:有這麼邊緣 哭哭
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09/18 16:35, , 20F
推翻譯
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09/18 16:35, , 21F
這隻沒去邪惡帝國算我輸
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09/18 16:41, , 22F
投球也沒屠殺日職 去美國也不會值這價
09/18 16:41, 22F

09/18 16:43, , 23F
值不值你說了算?
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09/18 16:46, , 24F
這種天分跟完成度的最好每年都有啦
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09/18 16:51, , 25F
印象中上一次炒這麼熱的新秀就是天才小史了
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09/18 16:51, , 26F
好狂的非大聯盟選手
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09/18 16:52, , 27F
松坂似乎都沒大谷這麼熱門
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09/18 16:52, , 28F
上大聯盟後開10年續約給他勒?像Longoria那樣?
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09/18 16:55, , 29F
松坂就很單純的比誰的錢多,小市場球隊直接出局
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09/18 16:55, , 30F
現在就搞得好像大家都有機會能搶到大谷一樣,當然熱門
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09/18 16:56, , 31F
不然就舉辦國際球員選秀有沒有搞頭??
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09/18 16:57, , 32F
則本昂大連三年洋聯三振王及200K,今年也有望達成200K
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09/18 16:58, , 33F
大谷去年球季中後半段才補足十勝,原先的先發位置是由
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09/18 17:00, , 34F
左投的加藤貴之頂替。花大錢不如找菊池雄星或則本昂大
09/18 17:00, 34F

09/18 17:03, , 35F
岩隈久志跟田中將大在日職都有拿過20勝以上的實績,
09/18 17:03, 35F

09/18 17:04, , 36F
達比修更不用說了。黑田博樹以前就是廣島鯉魚的王牌了
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09/18 17:11, , 37F
大谷會這麼搶手就是大家覺得未來不只田中、達比阿
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09/18 17:20, , 38F
人家看的是未來性不是現在的成績,大谷才23歲,可以
09/18 17:20, 38F

09/18 17:20, , 39F
飆100mph,有頂級的滑球跟指叉球,手臂還算新鮮沒被
09/18 17:20, 39F
還有 114 則推文
09/18 23:17, , 154F
練習投球結束後該休息的時間他大概去練打擊了
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09/18 23:17, , 155F
身體,這樣使用,撐得住嗎?
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09/18 23:27, , 156F
不過田中手肘未爆彈也是個問題
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09/18 23:37, , 157F
有人真的是為了酸而酸...不知道是怎麼了
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09/18 23:39, , 158F
難道當MLB球探和球團都是傻子嗎 符不符合身價不是酸民決定
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09/18 23:44, , 159F
來紅襪接Ortiz的位置 好像不錯
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09/19 01:22, , 160F
大谷當年為何不直接挑戰MLB
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09/19 01:36, , 161F
內馬爾:你也懂兩億?
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09/19 01:37, , 162F
他想 但後來被火腿說服 條迷表示可惜
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09/19 01:46, , 163F
直接挑戰MLB回日本好像有球監?
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09/19 01:46, , 164F
如果在美國受傷或發展不順回不了日職就尷尬
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09/19 03:02, , 165F
菊池當初就因為考慮球監沒出去先去西武
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09/19 03:03, , 166F
大谷是火腿當初那份ppt太有心,其他球團就算抽到
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09/19 03:03, , 167F
要像火腿那樣會給大谷頭打都自由發展的應該沒有
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09/19 03:11, , 168F
管你去死就讓你又投又打啊 榨乾到一滴不剩
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09/19 03:13, , 169F
反正受傷是你的事 至少在能利用期間要榨乾到一滴不剩
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09/19 03:16, , 170F
如果一般球員10年內要躺DL兩年的話 那他接近一半時間都要躺
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09/19 03:17, , 171F
DL了 因為當投手會受傷 當打者也會受傷
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09/19 03:19, , 172F
既然又投又打 那當然也是投打傷勢全接收 躺DL也比別人多一倍
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09/19 03:51, , 173F
大谷專心練投球價值會比較高吧 現在mlb實在不缺能
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09/19 03:51, , 174F
打擊的人
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09/19 05:19, , 175F
推專心投球 沒必要一定要二刀流
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09/19 07:12, , 176F
這隻一定要去國聯
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09/19 08:52, , 177F
看好健康的大谷和菊池可以有接近v少和price。
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09/19 11:11, , 178F
他今年這樣搞,我覺得代價就是代償到其他部位
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09/19 11:12, , 179F
整年只打就算竟然還讓他上來投,哪天會爆
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09/19 12:45, , 180F
阿大谷就想打擊阿 你不讓他打 他還不想去咧 一堆球
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09/19 12:46, , 181F
隊高層也認為可以讓他嘗試
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09/19 13:17, , 182F
大谷當初加入火腿的但書就是要雙刀流,你今年不讓他投
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09/19 13:17, , 183F
大谷會7pupu
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09/19 20:48, , 184F
專心投球+1,頂多去NL打打
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09/19 20:48, , 185F
投球還OK
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09/19 20:48, , 186F
打擊真的不夠強,而且在MLB絕對只能當DH
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09/19 20:48, , 187F
如果要二刀流,應該打都會爛掉
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09/19 20:49, , 188F
投打都會爛掉
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09/19 21:38, , 189F
在國聯
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09/19 21:38, , 190F
可以拼個12勝 3.5防禦率 搭配 0.25的打擊率 讚讚
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09/19 21:38, , 191F
x265到底有多討厭日本球員XD
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09/20 00:41, , 192F
酒鬼邊緣到被偷酸還沒人理他...
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09/22 17:16, , 193F
x265本篇最中肯 推
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