[外電] 道奇如何以新的DL制度取得優勢

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來源: FiveThirtyEight.com 連結: https://goo.gl/jwnSAo How The Dodgers Are Using Baseball’s New DL Rules To Get An Edge By: Rob Arthur 道奇是如何使用新的DL制度取得優勢的 In a season when the Los Angeles Dodgers are dominating everything in sight, they also lead the majors in a less praiseworthy category: trips to the disabled list. Two weeks ago, prized trade-deadline acquisition Yu Darvish was sent to the 10-day DL; last week, dark-horse Cy Young candidate Alex Wood was. Those are just some of the latest moves in what has become essentially a weekly ritual for the Dodgers, marking their 37th use of the short-term DL so far this season (25 of which have been for pitchers), more than any other team in baseball. 在這個幾乎稱霸所有項目的球季,道奇也在一個看起來不值得掌聲的項目領先: DL的次數。兩個禮拜前,交易截止前獲得的大物達比修也不例外地進了10日DL。上個禮 拜,賽揚獎的黑馬人選Alex Wood也無倖免。這些動作在道奇隊似乎已成了每週的例行公 事,本季已經第37次進入短期的傷兵名單了(其中25次是投手)(註:指目前的10day-DL), 次數領先其他所有球隊 Critics charge the Dodgers with exaggerating these kinds of injuries to game the DL, allowing the team to rest some of its starting pitchers without giving up a roster spot. And the Dodgers are certainly leading the way in this practice, which became much easier to pull off after a rule change this season shortened the length of a short-term DL stint from 15 days to 10. But the Dodgers aren’t the only outfit to make heavy use of the new disabled list — teams across the league are stashing more players on the short-term disabled list this season. Nor is this a completely new development: Even before the rule change, short-term DL use had been on the rise for years. 評論指出,道奇過度誇飾了球員受傷的程度,讓他們的先發投手可以休息又不佔據 球員名單。道奇顯然是使用這種方式的佼佼者,在這季中,15日DL改為10日大大地使得這樣 的作法更為容易。但道奇並不是唯一這樣作的球隊, 聯盟中的其他球隊也同樣更頻繁地使 用了短期傷兵名單。而這現象並不是今年才出現,短期傷兵的使用在近年本已有增長趨勢。 In an age of one-inning relievers, roster size is a major limitation for modern front offices. Any unusable players — for example, a starting pitcher who threw yesterday — can cost a team, as their spot could be taken by yet another flamethrowing bullpen arm. So teams have come up with all sorts of ways to overcome roster-size limitations, ranging from sending an endless churn of relievers back and forth between triple-A and the majors to creating potential dual-role position player-pitcher hybrids. 在後援投手場均吃一局的年代,球員名單的人數限制是管理層一大難題。所有該場 不會上場的球員,比如說昨天的先發投手,等於多佔據了一個可以給火球男出場的名額。因 此,球隊們使用許多方式來克服名單限制。比如說,讓牛棚投手頻繁來往3A,或者讓一些球 員成為投打雙刀流(連結指向教士隊Betancourt) But the 10-day disabled list might have opened up new possibilities for roster manipulation. A starting pitcher who is placed on the list may only have to miss a single start while freeing up his roster spot for a fresh arm out of the bullpen. The tactical advantage of that additional reliever, combined with the extra rest it gives the starter, appears to have been too good of an opportunity to pass up. 但10日DL的出現,開啟了另一個新的操控球員名單的可能性。先發投手可以只被跳過 一次先發,把名單讓給新鮮的牛棚手臂。增加一個牛棚投手,又能讓先發投手多加休息,這 樣的機會實在千載難逢。 Smart teams like the Dodgers have exploited this latest edge. Here’s a chart showing MLB teams’ use of the short-term disabled list by season since 2009 (for comparison’s sake, I included uses for the short-term DL’s longer, 60-day brother). 一些聰明的球隊,比如說道奇,善於此道來增加優勢。下圖顯示2009以來的短期傷兵名單 使用次數。(加入長期傷兵名單 - 60日傷兵使用次數作為比較) 圖: http://imgur.com/a/pZbpr There’s still more than a month left on the schedule, but we’re on pace to see the 10-day DL used 775 times this season. That would be an increase in short-term DL stints of 40 percent compared with last year. And it’s not just that injury rates are suddenly up across the board in 2017: Long-term disabled list usage has stayed at almost the same level for the past five years. 球季還剩下超過一個月,但以目前進度將會有775次10日DL使用。相比去年,這將會是40% 的成長。但這看來不是因為今年特別容易受傷,長期傷兵名單在過去五年的使用次數幾乎不 變 It’s clear, then, that the new 10-day disabled list has changed the way teams tinker with their rosters. But the new list didn’t so much create a new problem as exacerbate an old one. League-wide use of the short-term DL has jumped in each of the past four years (including this season) — and the Dodgers have paved the way. Since Andrew Friedman left the Tampa Bay Rays to become president of baseball operations for the Dodgers after the 2014 season, the team has led the league in short-term DL stints every year (only once during those three seasons did the Dodgers have the most long-term DL stays — a clearer sign of legitimate injury problems). 看起來似乎很明顯,10日DL讓球隊有新的方式操作球員名單。但新的制度似乎不完全是傷兵 次數增加的主因,過去四年,短期傷兵名單的使用已是年年增加,道奇可說是當仁不讓。 自從Andrew Friedman在2014年結束後離開光芒加入道奇,這隻球隊每一年都在短期傷兵使 用領先群雄(其中只有一年在長期傷兵名單領先, 長期傷兵通常是更明顯的傷勢)。 The increasing use of short-term DL stints across baseball has prompted questions from the league about whether all these ailments are legitimate. Last month, Rob Manfred, MLB’s commissioner, expressed fears that the list was being manipulated — and with good reason. In an interview last year, Dodgers starter Ross Stripling suggested that one of his trips to the disabled list in the past was less about recovering from an injury and more about hitting an innings limit. 短期傷兵使用的增加讓人懷疑這些傷勢是不是都是合理的。上個月, 大聯盟的執行長 Rob Manfred 表示擔心傷兵名單被過度的操作。這樣的擔心是合理的,去年道奇隊的投手 Ross Stripling在訪談中便指出,他有一次進DL主要是為了控制局數而非復原傷勢。 Much of the increase in short-term DL trips from recent years seem to be for nonspecific reasons, ranging from weariness to different kinds of strains. In 2016, five short-term injuries included “fatigue” in their description; over the three previous seasons, there were only three such trips, combined. 最近幾年短期傷兵名單使用的增加,似乎都被給予不太明確的原因。從疲勞到各式各樣 的拉傷。在2016,有5個短期傷兵名單的原因是「疲勞」,在更之前的三個球季,總共只有 3次的原因是因為疲勞。 Similar increases have occurred in short-term DL trips for other vague injuries. Increases in injuries described with the words “fatigue,” “ tightness” or “strain” have together accounted for almost 50 percent of the total jump in short-term disabled list trips since 2014. 其他模糊的傷勢理由也隨著增加,從2014以來,所有增加的DL次數,將近有50%以上, 傷勢的理由帶有「疲勞」、「緊繃」或「拉傷」 Unless baseball became a lot more tiring and stressful in the past three years, it seems as though teams may be exaggerating small issues in an effort to free up roster spots. 除非棒球運動在過去三季讓人更容易疲勞或緊繃,否則很難不相信各球隊在誇大傷勢 以便獲得球員名單空間。 But while the Dodgers seem to have pioneered this tactic, whether they are deriving any substantial advantage from it is unclear. That’s because the exact benefits of having a fresh relief pitcher are difficult to calculate. 但即使道奇是此道的先鋒,但還是很難計算他們從此獲得多少好處。畢竟多一隻新鮮的手 臂的效用是很難計算的。 By at least one measure, though, the Dodgers are succeeding. In a normal five-man rotation, pitchers rest for four days and throw on the fifth. But by stashing a starter on the DL, a team can give him a much longer recovery period. Extended rest (five or more days) seems to reduce the probability of a serious injury by 20 percent, so a smart team might try to frequently rest fragile starters to minimize the risk that they will become severely hurt. And that’s exactly what the Dodgers have done. So far this season, they are on pace to have the second-most starts thrown by pitchers with five or more days of rest than any team since at least 2009. And last season’s Dodgers already had the third-highest mark since 2009, so the new 10-day disabled list didn’t necessarily inspire this tactic. But it might have made the strategy more effective by allowing their pitchers to miss fewer starts. 但至少在一點上,道奇確實是成功的。在正常的五人輪值,先發投手投一休四。但若是 把先發投手扔進DL,他可以得到更長的休息。拉長休息天數情況下(5天以上)似乎可以減低 20%的受傷機會,所以聰明的球隊試著讓脆弱手臂多加休息以降低嚴重受傷風險。這就是道 奇隊在作的。本季到目前為止,他們將預計會是自2009年以來,第二多的先發場次是由休息 五天以上的先發投手主投的。去年的道奇隊已經是自2009年以來的第三位了,所以這樣的策 略似乎不是由今年的10日DL促成的。但它可能讓這樣的操作更有效率,因為先發投手可以缺 席更少場次。 Even knowing that rest prevents injuries, whether Los Angeles prevented more serious ailments by using the short-term DL so frequently is difficult to say. Friedman built the Dodgers’ rotation on a surprisingly thrifty budget, relying largely on injury-prone pitchers who could be bought on the cheap. And the Dodgers seem to have gotten their money’s worth: They racked up more disabled list trips than any other team in the league in 2016, even if you focus only on the 60-day list (for which there is no tactical value to overuse). So even if you believe that the Dodgers are gaming the disabled list with fake injuries, they also seem to be suffering the most genuine ones of any team. 即使休息真的有助於預防受傷,但道奇是否有因此減少嚴重傷勢難以衡量。Friedman 以相當節省的方式打造了先發輪值,使用了許多容易受傷的球員,也因此節省了成本。道奇 確實付出了代價。他們2016在傷兵名單使用稱霸全聯盟,即使你只看60日傷兵名單亦然(沒 有太多操作價值)。所以即使你認為道奇用假傷來玩弄系統,他們也確實是受到傷病傷害最 大的球隊。 But despite all that missed time, the Dodgers’ rotation has also been very successful, earning the second-most wins above replacement in baseball since 2014. As if harkening back to his career with the low-budget Rays, Friedman managed to put together one of the league’s best starting units using cheap talent and a clever strategic advantage. And with Los Angeles currently riding that rotation to an all-time great season, MLB’s 29 other teams might do well to copy the Dodgers’ roster-manipulation tactics. 即便這些進傷兵的次數,道奇的輪值是相當成功的,2014年以來的WAR排名第二。Friedman 在低薪資的光芒學會了用低廉的薪資和巧妙的策略組成優秀的輪值。而道奇今年的輪值方式 帶領他們完成一個輝煌的賽季。在未來,其他29隻球隊或許也會抄襲這樣的操作策略。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 67.164.96.63 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1504246313.A.3C3.html

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推翻譯
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推翻譯 GO DODGERS!
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推原文也推翻譯
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09/01 14:22, , 5F
難怪道奇要收集兩套先發?XD
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09/01 14:30, , 6F
奸詐到期
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09/01 14:31, , 7F
道奇走一例一休制度XD
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09/01 14:31, , 8F
養生野球 全大聯盟也只有道奇玩得起
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09/01 14:41, , 9F
只有美金戰士的帳號可以弄出兩套先發吧…
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09/01 14:45, , 10F
推 但顏色不易閱讀...黃底白字神刺眼 建議修個
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道奇SP海啊 別隊要用這招還沒本錢
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推翻譯
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※ 編輯: sam9595 (67.164.96.63), 09/01/2017 14:58:24

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MLB馬刺隊
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季賽養生,季後賽____
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推推
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變相的輪休
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科技:輪休制度 所需資源:黃金
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09/01 15:16, , 18F
便宜的痛痛人(投手)軍團?
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09/01 15:17, , 19F
用十天DL搞十人輪替,這到底是誰想到的也太聰明
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09/01 15:18, , 20F
最後兩段是在談省錢吧
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有錢人想的...
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09/01 15:23, , 22F
預防勝於治療啊, 哪個投完手臂會不腫脹的
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09/01 15:28, , 23F
推翻譯,季後賽將全員出籠!~
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09/01 15:31, , 24F
呃...他們也確實是受到傷痛影響最大的球隊???我說那個梅子呢
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09/01 15:32, , 25F
大都會快去學起來,順便把球場開挖檢查
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上色好刺眼@@
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09/01 15:58, , 27F
這篇指的短期DL應該也有包含腦震盪的7日DL
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其實我不確定耶 他的確沒有寫得很清楚 但7日DL球團不太能操作就是了

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有錢就是任性
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所以取得什麼優勢?
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ACE近兩年年年進DL,其他先發幾乎沒有一個不抖
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最後書僮得出來中三日,客串CP...見鬼的優勢
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綠底灰字完全無法閱讀耶XDDDDDD
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SP海 學起來
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顏色很刺眼
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大都會也很會用DL啊!只是是60天的......
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其他隊陣容沒深到可以這樣玩
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只有道奇板凳夠深可以這樣玩
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倒因為果了吧 其實是道奇輪值超級玻璃
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把底色去掉比較方便閱讀 看得好痛苦
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60天XDDDDD
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大都會是 真 ●DL 使用者......真的DL
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大都會是十天出不來的DL...
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大都會60天很好笑
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梅子XDDS
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達斯維達超好笑
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好奇投手都不會抱怨嗎?投得好好的硬被放進DL
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大推翻譯
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養生野球
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梅子是60天DL使用愛好者啊...
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能把10-DL用的如此出神入化的也只有躲人了
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顏色已修改 希望有好一點 ※ 編輯: sam9595 (67.164.96.63), 09/01/2017 23:03:33

09/01 23:39, , 51F
其實隨著現代分工越來越明確 牛棚依賴性越高
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09/01 23:40, , 52F
可以考慮一下增加一名球員上限
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09/02 00:37, , 53F
其實最主要還是我躲SP群有好幾個這幾年太痛了才這樣玩
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文章好長 翻譯辛苦了
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躲人是人才多到滿出來 梅子是傷兵多到爆
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躲人那輪值抽插DL不讓人意外喇,話說Kazmir今年回不回的來呀
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從保護投手不讓運動員受傷的觀點來說,提高大聯盟球員人數上
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限會不會比較合理?
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真的應該提高上限 因為這幾年觀察下來 其實用得很緊繃
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5人輪值 1王牌中繼 1王牌終結者 1長中繼 1功能性左投
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3短中繼 這才是比較合理的配置
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先發9人 1替補捕手 2內野板凳 2外野板凳
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09/03 22:02, , 63F
這樣算下來 如果有工具人可以兼職 真的應該提高球員上限
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真正最合理的人數是26-27人(替補補手兩位的話)
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但這樣又可能太多人的話 可以在減少一點
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總之現在這樣的球員人數太緊繃了
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上半季: 科蕭 神木 富丘 前田 柳胖 麥卡
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下半季: 達比 神木 富丘 柳胖 前田 然後科蕭回來了
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