Re: [情報] AL All-star voting update

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原文恕刪. 這是 FOX Sports 一週前關於 ASG 的專欄. 當時 Altuve 還是明星先發二壘. 原文網址: http://goo.gl/g5oH77 --- 'No shenanigans,' but Royals fans are overlooking a few good All-Stars Ken Rosenthal FOX Sports It's 1957 all over again, and the glorious stench of foul play is in the air. Everything is up to date in Kansas City, all right. Maybe a little too up to date, based on the fact that the Royals lead the American League All-Star balloting at seven of nine positions. This is not about stuffing the ballot box, the way Cincinnati fans did in ’57 to “elect” – heh-heh – seven Reds to the NL team. No, this is about a potential hacking of the electronic ballot box in the first year of exclusive online voting. And frankly, the threat to America here is bigger than the Kardashians, bigger than even the FIFA scandal. (Attention, Royals fans: By now, most of you probably can tell that I am writing this tongue-in-cheek. For those of you spoiling for a fight, and I don’t mean Yordano Ventura, imagine if it were seven Yankees or seven Red Sox leading the balloting. You’d be screaming for a government investigation of both MLB and my humble employers at FOX, not to mention the confiscation of every laptop in the eastern time zone. (Oh, and another thing: Worthy All-Stars in both leagues could get shafted if the entire state of Missouri continues its clicking crusade; Cardinals lead the NL voting at four positions due to the efforts of St. Louis’ self-proclaimed Best Fans in Baseball. I’ll get to the potential snubs in a moment. But for now, back to saving the ASG from Omar Infante.) Good citizen and fair-minded journalist that I am, I demanded an investigation Wednesday in a conversation with a top MLB official, knowing that three updates remain before the actual winners are announced. Yes, the Royals are the defending AL champions, the first-place team in the AL Central, etc., etc. But I suspect that the spawn of one of those manic number-crunching Royals fans – I’m looking at you, Rany Jazayerli! – is responsible for the craziness on the AL ballot. Alas, that MLB official – Bob Bowman, president for business and media – assured me there were no irregularities, no improprieties, no impish teenagers in the KC metropolitan area creating phony e-mail addresses and voting up to 35 times for every Royal but Amos Otis. “No,” Bowman said sternly. “We check on it. We look for programs. We look at IP addresses. We do all that. I would say over the last 12 to 15 years we’ve seen isolated instances (of tampering), more in the Final Man vote than in the All-Star vote. But if we see efforts like that, we always disallow it.” So, no matter how these elections turn out, commissioner Rob Manfred is not about to turn into Ford Frick, appoint non-Royals as starters and take away the fan vote. Frick, according to Wikipedia, discovered that half the ballots in ’57 came from Cincinnati and that the Cincinnati Enquirer had printed pre-marked ballots and distributed them inside their Sunday editions. Oh, for the days when newspapers had such power! Frick appointed Willie Mays and Hank Aaron to replace the Reds’ Gus Bell and Wally Post; Stan Musial had been the only non-Reds starter. The fans, meanwhile, did not regain the vote until 1970. The issues are just slightly different now, in the first year of all-digital balloting. “The vote totals are twice as high as last year,” Bowman said. “We have 50 percent more people voting 50 percent more often, so it’s almost 100 percent in terms of vote totals. That, more than Kansas City or even St. Louis, is what has caught our eye. We’ve been scrubbing it every day and haven’t seen anything irregular.” Bowman was referring to the voting procedures, not the actual votes themselves. No less an authority than Tigers left-hander David Price tweeted on Wednesday: “MLB please do something about the Allstate voting (Yes, auto-correct nailed even Price). Not that it’s funny but it’s kind of a joke. #VOTEMIGGY.” Price added in another tweet, “An All-Star Game IS NOT a popularity contest . . . It’s for home-field advantage for whatever reason) for the World Series!! Best players play.” No, not true, David. The ASG is a classic hodgepodge of mixed messages. The fan vote is, in essence, a popularity contest. And if the game truly was for the best players, baseball would change the rule requiring that every team be represented. But let’s go over some of the most glaring atrocities, starting with the one rankling Price most: * AL first base. The Royals’ Eric Hosmer leads Miguel Cabrera by more than 500,000 votes. Hosmer is a fine player. But Cabrera ranks first in the AL in OPS, Hosmer 13th. * AL second base. The Astros’ Jose Altuve is the leader despite his .540 OPS since May 10. Infante, who has the second-lowest OPS in the entire AL, is 1.5 million votes ahead of the Indians’ Jason Kipnis, who is the major-league leader at second base in that statistic. To top it all off, Infante actually is gaining on Altuve! * AL third base. The Royals’ Mike Moustakas is a very good player enjoying a terrific season. The Blue Jays’ Josh Donaldson is an even better player enjoying an even better season. Moustakas leads Donaldson by 1.7 million votes. * AL designated hitter. The Mariners’ Nelson Cruz leads the AL with 18 homers – and trails the Royals’ Kendrys Morales by 141,513 votes. * AL catcher. Can’t quibble too much; Salvador Perez arguably is the Royals’ most important player. Still, the Athletics’ Stephen Vogt has superior offensive numbers to Perez yet only half the votes. * AL outfield. The Royals’ Lorenzo Cain is the top vote-getter, more than 500,000 ahead of the Angels’ Mike Trout. No big deal – Trout still would be a starter – but can someone please explain how KC’s Alex Rios is fourth, more than 300,000 votes ahead of the Orioles’ Adam Jones, when he has appeared in only 15 games all season? * NL second base. The Marlins’ Dee Gordon leads the majors with 88 hits, ranks second with 20 stolen bases and fifth with 10 defensive runs saved. Yet, Gordon is only 113,058 votes ahead of the Cardinals’ Kolten Wong. * NL outfield. The Nationals’ Bryce Harper, Cardinals’ Matt Holliday and Marlins’ Giancarlo Stanton are the three leading vote-getters, which is at it should be. But I don’t want to live in a world in which the Giants’ Nori Aoki – a former Royal, of course – is only 46,902 votes behind Stanton. “I would say this about Kansas City,” Bowman said. “If you watch a game or go out there, they have been pushing it hard from Day 1. During their TV broadcasts, during their radio broadcasts, they’ve got everyone in their infrastructure pushing Kansas City players.” The Royals’ local TV ratings on FOX Sports Kansas City are the highest in baseball, though the size of the market means the actual number of viewers ranks lower. “It’s early,” Bowman said. “Nobody’s assuming this is the way it’s going to end. But it’s kind of exciting. You can make an argument for a lot of those players, maybe you can make an argument for somebody else who deserves to be there. But a lot of those players obviously deserve to be where they are. “That’s what it’s supposed to be. It’s supposed to be about fans getting involved, getting behind it. There are no shenanigans going on, just the involvement and energy of the Kansas City fans. Not just in Kansas City, but nationwide. They kind of charmed the nation last year. They didn’t win, but they kind of got the A-plus in the charm and modeling category.” Bowman’s analogy is appropriate, seeing as how the All-Star balloting is one big beauty pageant. Keep it up, KC. You look absolutely lovely. Just never complain about big-market influence again! --- 所以呢? Bowman 表示, 沒有不合規則的灌票, 沒有系統被駭的問題; AL 先發名單就是 KC 迷很努力投票的成果啊. 而且皇家隊似乎贏得了全美的好感, 看起來大家都來幫忙投哩. 那麼還是老話一句: 想這麼投的可以這麼投, 沒人禁止; 而既然別人無法否決你們投出來的先發名單, 讓人討論一下都不行嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.243.14.131 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1434465821.A.1AC.html

06/16 22:48, , 1F
就都給他們打阿 大部分球員都比較想放假吧
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06/16 22:48, , 2F
狗吠火車 給他們打到爽
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06/16 22:48, , 3F
柱仔姊效應?
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06/16 22:49, , 4F
樓下Hector
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06/16 22:51, , 5F
反正明年還持續同樣的方式 mlb官方就會是他x的白痴
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06/16 22:51, , 6F
網路投票這種不反應人氣的事,我建議T恤賣出數也加入投
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06/16 22:51, , 7F
票數!
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06/16 22:51, , 8F
看看今年怎麼收尾
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06/16 22:53, , 9F
可以理性討論 謾罵球員就不必了吧 至於既然認為這是不合理
06/16 22:53, 9F

06/16 22:54, , 10F
的投票結果 為什麼不去找多一點人把票投給更合理的球員?
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06/16 22:55, , 11F
所以,就是說你為什麼不去灌票呢?
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06/16 22:56, , 12F
Price幹譙完也是希望大家支持Miggy而不會說那就去投Hos吧
06/16 22:56, 12F

06/16 22:57, , 13F
因為民情不同,該想辦法補救的應該是美國人才是
06/16 22:57, 13F

06/16 22:59, , 14F
因為我知道的美國鄉民也很想順水推舟啊 XD
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06/16 23:00, , 15F
投票是每個球迷相同且平等的權益 投Hos不投Miggy就叫灌票?
06/16 23:00, 15F

06/16 23:01, , 16F
Infante跟Rios那種成績配上票數不能講灌票?
06/16 23:01, 16F

06/16 23:01, , 17F
欸, 我沒有說灌票喔, 我上面post是說"努力投票的結果"
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06/16 23:02, , 18F
好吧 既然不願意想辦法改變 讓所謂更合理的球員先發 那就
06/16 23:02, 18F

06/16 23:02, , 19F
可以這樣投阿,那就是灌票的結果 有什麼問題?
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06/16 23:02, , 20F
其實我覺得最奇怪的一點是, 這投票台灣球迷真的只有看
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06/16 23:02, , 21F
等著看聯盟怎麼打算囉 又或者是繼續裝傻下去 XDDDD
06/16 23:02, 21F

06/16 23:03, , 22F
你覺得不是灌票,是偉大的KC迷努力的結果 that's fine
06/16 23:03, 22F

06/16 23:03, , 23F
美國球迷投票結果,然後在一旁喊燒的份(台灣MLB球迷有多少?
06/16 23:03, 23F

06/16 23:04, , 24F
也就是說我們只能打打嘴砲,Hector大一直要我們去"合理化"
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06/16 23:05, , 25F
花時間在這邊說文解字沒有意義 那你說是灌票就是灌票囉 XD
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06/16 23:05, , 26F
反正某人就是覺得皇家迷迷"努力投票"好棒棒 我們這些其
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06/16 23:06, , 27F
他隊的球迷沒辦法幫自家球員或者說所謂更合理的球員爭
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06/16 23:06, , 28F
取到先發席次都是自己的問題 以上
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06/16 23:06, , 29F
查無不法 蟹蟹指教
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06/16 23:07, , 30F
AL ASG 先發名單, 好像搞錯角色了吧 XD
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06/16 23:08, , 31F
要像他們一樣每天都投給OPS+37的球員35票 我還真的不行
06/16 23:08, 31F

06/16 23:08, , 32F
就這點來說,我是很佩服的
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06/16 23:09, , 33F
樓上說到重點惹
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06/16 23:10, , 34F
我的意思是 很簡單啊 如果Miggy比Hos合理 那就是多投Miggy
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06/16 23:10, , 35F
Hector兄你跟我們講沒有用啦,台灣MLB迷加一加還不見得
06/16 23:10, 35F

06/16 23:11, , 36F
比 Royals 迷多咧
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06/16 23:11, , 37F
不是所有投票的球迷都是精通各項數據 像這裡的一些大大
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06/16 23:12, , 38F
他天天看到Salvy Hos Moose...所以他心中就覺得他們是明星
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06/16 23:12, , 39F
孩子的教育不能等
06/16 23:12, 39F
還有 41 則推文
06/16 23:32, , 81F
是阿 可是Vogt的守備跟Perez不太能比吧 你舉其他的吧
06/16 23:32, 81F

06/16 23:32, , 82F
可以笑啊 後者我也覺得他的票低到不合理 那笑完就快去投啊
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06/16 23:32, , 83F
投不贏啊 先發給你 給我們笑一笑酸一酸總行吧
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06/16 23:33, , 84F
在兩者成績差不多的情況下(都值得明星賽)輸在投
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06/16 23:36, , 85F
票也只能認了,而且Perez是第一高票,因此大家不是
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06/16 23:36, , 86F
不用投啊...我很期待這次官方的反應XD
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06/16 23:36, , 87F
投Gordon順便投Perez(英方鐵應該就是這個情況)
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06/16 23:37, , 88F
英方鐵這種成績害原本應先發的未先發,應入選而沒入
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06/16 23:38, , 89F
選的才該鞭吧
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06/16 23:40, , 90F
投成這樣最幹的應該是FOX
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06/16 23:46, , 91F
查無不法 謝謝指教
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06/16 23:46, , 92F
我認為決定主場不需要改過 是投票方式需要改變 像今
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06/16 23:46, , 93F
年這樣的方式 投票者稍微有心就可以造成這樣的結果
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06/16 23:46, , 94F
等收視率出來 就會知道誰的褲子漂走
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06/16 23:46, , 95F
因為不是所有人都會完全善用自己的權利
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06/17 00:01, , 96F
皇迷根本不care那個,舒服得很呢
06/17 00:01, 96F

06/17 00:03, , 97F
呵呵 用這種方式選總統 也會有人說大家公平你怎麼不灌
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06/17 00:56, , 98F
今年又不是在黃家比賽 灌成這樣有點難看
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06/17 00:56, , 99F
支持皇家啦 快點拉下鱒魚
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06/17 01:00, , 100F
皇迷還很囂張耶 當然只好繼續票投皇家教訓
06/17 01:00, 100F

06/17 01:20, , 101F
偉大的KC迷迷投票辛苦了
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06/17 01:21, , 102F
投票又不用錢 就盡量投阿~~XD制度本來就是要衝撞的
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06/17 02:07, , 103F
認真覺得網路投票這種低成本的形式很不合理
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06/17 02:08, , 104F
要搞清楚真正的客群在哪裡 這樣投票才有意義
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06/17 02:09, , 105F
網路隨便灌灌 導致轉播收視降低 官方就會知道問題了
06/17 02:09, 105F

06/17 02:10, , 106F
甚至到底有多少人會去買票看這現場都有很大問題
06/17 02:10, 106F

06/17 02:11, , 107F
所以請支持MLB總選舉制度,買球衣才有投票權!!
06/17 02:11, 107F

06/17 02:15, , 108F
推總選舉XD買球衣附選票(可以順便附簽名券嗎)(有球場盤嗎)
06/17 02:15, 108F

06/17 08:18, , 109F
誰叫遊戲規則要定成網路投票? 如果用進場一人一票應該
06/17 08:18, 109F

06/17 08:19, , 110F
也不會這麼極端啦。至於人家KC迷在乎這件事,所以有足夠
06/17 08:19, 110F

06/17 08:20, , 111F
多的人去"灌票"造成這結果,對此不滿的也可以發起灌第二
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06/17 08:20, , 112F
名的方式看能不能逆轉啊? 既然就沒有足夠的人願意去行動
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06/17 08:21, , 113F
代表就是相對來說沒那麼在乎,那還有什麼好說的。
06/17 08:21, 113F

06/17 08:22, , 114F
原本的明星賽本來就不是有多少人重視或者一定收看,現在
06/17 08:22, 114F

06/17 08:23, , 115F
這樣KC的球迷一定看,愛看熱鬧跟著灌票的可能也會想看
06/17 08:23, 115F

06/17 08:24, , 116F
總之遊戲規則這樣定,有什麼資格可以不屑KC迷投自家人呢
06/17 08:24, 116F

06/17 08:46, , 117F
總選舉讓我覺得秋元康真是撈錢天才
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06/17 18:48, , 118F
不是說是國聯投的嗎XDDD
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06/17 19:08, , 119F
用進場ㄧ人ㄧ票的話 乍聽不錯 但我芒什麼時候可以有人進
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06/17 21:05, , 120F
支持瘋邦先發
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