Dotel: 多明尼加球員要誠實

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http://tinyurl.com/77jceh6 LAKELAND, Fla. -- New Tigers reliever Octavio Dotel said he feels sympathy for Juan Carlos Oviedo and Roberto Hernandez Heredia, two pitchers caught in lies about their age and name (and also currently caught in limbo). Dotel said one of the best things that ever happened to him was when his real age came out following the Sept. 11 tragedy and there was a sudden crackdown on birth certificates. Dotel gained two years in a day, and he didn't mind a bit. 針對季末兩起身分造假事件 Dotel發表他的看法 "I was happy the truth came out,'' Dotel said. Today, he proudly tells people he is 38. He was born on Thanksgiving Day, 1973, and he has a lot to be thankful for. He also has no regrets about telling scouts who signed him he was 17 when he was really 19, either. 現在Dotel可以很自豪的告訴別人他是38歲 不過他也不後悔當年騙球探他是17歲 "If they had my real age back then, I probably wouldn't be here,'' Dotel said. "But I'm here now. Thirteen years in (the majors). I'm doing good. Maybe not the best, not Albert Pujols. But good enough.'' 如果我說了真實年齡,或許我就不會在大聯盟了 但現在我已在這裡待了13年,表現得不錯 或許不像普神一樣神,但夠好了 Dotel is so honest that when it is noted to him that he is playing for a record 13th team, the Tigers, he corrects, "I have to get in a game first. Then it'll be 13.'' Dotel誠實到他要先上場 才宣布老虎是他效力的第13支球隊 Dotel said there's a need to fudge at first because he said most Dominicans develop late, and he understands anyone who does what he did. But he said that when players get to the big leagues, they should own up to their correct age. Dotel (that's his real name) said players who take a different name should reveal their real names, too. 他說多明尼加球員有說謊的需要 因為他們發育得比較晚 他也能理解這些說謊的球員 不過,當登上大聯盟後,他們就該說真話了 "I feel bad for (Oviedo and Heredia),'' Dotel said of the pitchers previously known as Leo Nunez and Fausto Carmona of the Marlins and Indians, respectively. 'But after you get to the big leagues, why not tell the truth?'' 我為他們感到難過 但當你登上大聯盟後,為何不說真話? Dotel said when he signed (real age 19 at the time) he was only throwing 84 or 85 mph. But two years later he was up to 90. "When you see a 16-, 17-, 18-year-old, your legs and arm aren't strong enough,'' Dotel said. "That's why a lot of players in the Dominican do that. If you're 17 and throwing 92, check that guy. That can not be. I started throwing hard at 25.'' Dotel說他簽約時 球速只有84-85mph左右 兩年後,球速提升到了90 "當16-18歲時,你的腿和手臂都還不夠強壯" "這是為什麼很多多明尼加球員要說謊。如果你17歲球速92就會受到注意 這不可能。我到25歲才開始丟火球" Dotel said he needed American nutrition and training to develop into a major-league pitcher, and he never would have made it if he hadn't lied at first. "At 19, you are old to sign in the Dominican,'' Dotel said. 他說他需要美國的營養和訓練來幫他成長為一名大聯盟投手 如果他沒先說謊結局就不會一樣 "19歲 以多明尼加人來說太老了" Dotel is an advocate for the truth now. Except in one case. "If you're still in the minor leagues,'' Dotel said, "stay the way you are.'' 他提倡大家現在說出實話 除非 "如果你還在小聯盟 就保持現在的樣子吧" -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133

03/11 11:13, , 1F
抖爺真男人
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03/11 11:19, , 2F
說出一些心酸與事實呢~
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03/11 12:11, , 3F
台灣旅外的 感覺真的都會大一號
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03/11 15:19, , 4F
MLB窄門擠破頭,為了增加一點點機會而說謊不是不能接受
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03/11 15:20, , 5F
不過說破了感覺又有點不厚道,MLB又不是只能從多明尼加挑人
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03/11 17:12, , 6F
換個角度思考 檯面下靠謊報年齡進入小聯盟體系但最後沒
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03/11 17:13, , 7F
有成功上大聯盟最後被釋出的球員 (不論是哪一國人)
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03/11 17:14, , 8F
Carmona (Heredia)的case就很明顯啊 他不謊報 根本沒
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03/11 17:14, , 9F
人願意簽他
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03/11 17:16, , 10F
這些球員不知是那些成功球員的幾倍?
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03/11 17:18, , 11F
對坦承年齡但最後沒被選上的球員來說 這是不公平的
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03/11 17:22, , 12F
如果今天這些謊報的球員最終都有能在聯盟生存的實力
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03/11 17:23, , 13F
那為了獲得入團機會而謊報這件事就值得大家同情
03/11 17:23, 13F

03/11 17:24, , 14F
如果謊報年齡搶走其他人機會卻又沒有實力 就不值得嘉許
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03/11 17:24, , 15F
哪有什麼公平不公平的 對他們來說當然是先進那個體系再說
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03/11 17:32, , 16F
很多謊報只是為了拿到幾千鎂的簽約金,對他們來說,
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03/11 17:33, , 17F
沒謊報就是一輩子沒有脫離貧窮的機會
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03/11 17:59, , 18F
不懂要先上場過才能說是第13支隊伍跟誠實之間的關聯
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03/11 18:07, , 19F
原文的意思是 因為他還沒幫老虎上場過 所以老實說還
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03/11 18:08, , 20F
不能稱作效力過的第13隊
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03/11 18:31, , 21F
楊宗緯表示:怪我囉.....
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03/11 19:48, , 22F
美國的營養和訓練 這真的學不來的
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03/11 20:57, , 23F
對他們來說當然是先進去再說
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03/11 20:59, , 24F
可是一樣報17歲 那些被刷下來 真的17歲的球員不就很雖
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03/11 21:27, , 25F
不公平歸不公平 可是這對他們來說是生存之戰
03/11 21:27, 25F

03/11 21:28, , 26F
如果不是天縱英才 也只得不擇手段
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03/11 21:32, , 27F
恩 如果今天Tejada因為報了真實年齡而進不了MLB我也會
03/11 21:32, 27F

03/11 21:33, , 28F
覺得很幹... 反正現在這麼多案例 聯盟應該會更加謹慎吧
03/11 21:33, 28F

03/11 23:32, , 29F
樓上的說法才怪吧..說不定就是因為這些說謊的人
03/11 23:32, 29F

03/11 23:32, , 30F
讓很多有機會發光發熱的選手被淘汰掉
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03/11 23:57, , 31F
看不懂謊報年紀跟淘汰其他人的關聯性在哪?
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03/11 23:58, , 32F
如果選手天份就擺在那邊,要30隻球隊因為幾個謊報
03/11 23:58, 32F

03/11 23:58, , 33F
年紀的多明尼加球員就不簽,你覺得有可能嗎?
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03/12 00:00, , 34F
這影響到的是因為年紀而給的簽約金多寡,跟其他人
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03/12 00:00, , 35F
因為敵不過這幾個人的實力而淘汰有啥關係?
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03/12 00:03, , 36F
以前開放黑人打球,所以有些白人被黑人淘汰了,
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03/12 00:03, , 37F
所以也要講這些人的實力更高使的原本的人被埋沒?
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03/12 00:09, , 38F
不只簽約金多寡 同樣85mph 16歲的會被認為有潛力
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03/12 00:09, , 39F
20歲的會被認為很平凡 所以Heredia才要謊報年齡
03/12 00:09, 39F
還有 38 則推文
03/12 13:14, , 78F
如果進小聯盟沒那麼難 又何必謊報去多賺那一筆簽約金?
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03/12 13:15, , 79F
如果前提是為了多賺錢進了這個聯盟 那上去了又何必要坦
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03/12 13:15, , 80F
誠 當然是繼續撈阿
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03/12 14:10, , 81F
所以Dotel告訴大家要坦承,但他實際上講不講又有差
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03/12 14:10, , 82F
他都在大連盟待多久了,那是他的想法,其他人幹麼
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03/12 14:11, , 83F
聽他的?
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03/12 14:11, , 84F
伸卡球王子也是被暴料阿,他就沒講不是嘛?
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03/12 14:12, , 85F
賺那一筆簽約金不重要嘛?你一個人去國外打球,每個
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03/12 14:13, , 86F
月領少少的球季薪,假設你來自貧窮家庭,這筆錢
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03/12 14:13, , 87F
當然非常重要好嘛...
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03/12 14:15, , 88F
中南美的黑暗面哪是台灣的環境能想像呢..?
03/12 14:15, 88F

03/12 19:25, , 89F
美國牛肉也是學不來的 (誤)
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03/12 23:47, , 90F
看到簽約金被講成"多賺的"我就笑了~
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03/12 23:47, , 91F
真的是生活過太爽 何不食肉糜~
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03/13 07:20, , 92F
我只是討論"謊報年齡"可以帶來的好處
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03/13 07:21, , 93F
沒有限制一定要多明尼加球員才能謊報吧
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03/13 07:22, , 94F
任何球員都能藉謊報提高球團對他的期待 簽約金 等
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03/13 07:25, , 95F
我之前也說過 我非常樂意見到中南美洲球員藉棒球脫貧的
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03/13 07:27, , 96F
多明尼加證明自己實力的球員已經夠多了 不需要靠謊報
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03/13 07:28, , 97F
一樣能進到這個體系不是嗎? 這好比吃禁藥 雖然有些人認
03/13 07:28, 97F

03/13 07:29, , 98F
為可以開放 但只要還列為禁藥 就要遵守規則 有吃的就是
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03/13 07:30, , 99F
比沒吃的佔優勢 當然如果大家普遍可以接受他們因為貧窮
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03/13 07:31, , 100F
去謊報 那我也沒話說 今天靠謊報得到名利的球員很多
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03/13 07:31, , 101F
他們並沒有利用他們的影響力 讓那些需要靠謊報的球員
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03/13 07:32, , 102F
不再需要謊報 也沒有球員站穩大聯盟馬上就坦承事實
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03/13 07:33, , 103F
年齡就是球團判定球員的一個重要標準 不只多明尼加球員
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03/13 07:33, , 104F
其他人都可以為了提高競爭力這麼做的
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03/13 07:49, , 105F
好比Carmona 印地安人球團知道他謊報3歲不會覺得不爽嗎
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03/13 07:50, , 106F
球迷喜歡的球員突然老了3歲 球迷不會覺得被騙了嗎
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03/13 07:50, , 107F
貧窮可以拿來當藉口 不只多明尼加 全世界貧窮的家庭
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03/13 07:51, , 108F
都可以謊報阿 我不想表現的一副公平魔人的樣子
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03/13 07:53, , 109F
而是今天謊報這件事是可以被解決的 我相信中南美洲球員
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03/13 07:53, , 110F
絕對不會少 球迷也樂見不用再去猜球員的真實年齡
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03/13 07:53, , 111F
這才是兩全其美的辦法吧 而不是睜一隻眼閉一隻眼
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03/13 07:54, , 112F
我們今天都是局外人的角度 站在球團方 還有球團的球迷
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03/13 07:54, , 113F
都不會樂見謊報的
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03/13 11:33, , 114F
只要有一樣是經濟弱勢的球員坦承年齡 那些謊報的球員就
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03/13 11:33, , 115F
不值得被鼓勵 美國也很多球員家庭條件不好的 還是他們
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03/13 11:34, , 116F
也一起來謊報
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03/13 13:28, , 117F
不會 我不在乎球員突然一夜之間大了2.3歲 就這樣
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