Re: [外電] Ryan Braun Wins Appeal; No Suspension

看板MLB作者時間12年前 (2012/02/24 12:09), 編輯推噓31(32推 1噓 25→)
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※ 引述《Tukiyomi (月讀)》之銘言： : https://twitter.com/#!/Haudricourt/status/172804608597557249 : Ryan Braun has won his appeal of a drug suspension and will not be suspended : for 50 games. : 逆轉勝，陪審團投票以2：1翻盤 : https://twitter.com/#!/BillHall_III/status/172810361983086594 : #FREERYANBRAUN #FREERYANBRAUN #FREERYANBRAUN!!!!!! Congrats to Ryan for : winning the appeal.... HE'S INNOCENT HE'S INNOCENT!!!! : Bill Hall也太high了吧 照目前新聞的資料看來 似乎出問題的地方是收集員沒立即把樣本交給快遞 而是把樣本先放在自家冰箱兩天後送出 這部分是Braun攻擊程序有問題的勝出點 http://tinyurl.com/6v2b8ld According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to a FedEx Office for shipping. But the source said the collector thought the FedEx Office was closed because it was late on a Saturday and felt the sample wouldn't get shipped until Monday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it in a cool place, in his basement at his residence in Wisconsin, according to the source. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible. 不過關鍵票 - 仲裁員Shyam Das是不是做出正確判斷 其實是有可議之處的 根據USADA的說法 https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172833433955995648 USADA CEO Travis Tygart tells Y! Sports of the Braun decision: "It's frankly unreal. And it's a kick in the gut to clean athletes." https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172833625388228608 Tygart: "Clean athletes have been underserved. All the athletes that don't have positive tests, that abide by the rules, this is insulting." https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836609962676226 USADA CEO Travis Tygart says it's commonplace for collectors to keep samples refrigerated when taken late at night and on holidays, weekends https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836795720007680 Tygart: "This stuff happens around the world all the time. They're collected at people's homes after the UPS or FedEx or DHL is closed." https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836851214856193 Tygart: "The DCO (doping control officer) keeps it with them. These are well-trained people whose job it is to maintain it. I'm stunned." 似乎在周末時收集員把樣本放在自家冰箱中是一般常見且正確的作法 這個判決照一般USADA或是WADA的標準來看是頗有問題的 不過，既然已經決定不禁賽了 那就恭喜Braun吧 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.109.64.210
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02/24 12:14, , 1F
我覺得Braun今年會壓力很大,萬一陷入低潮很容易被貼標籤...
02/24 12:14, 1F
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02/24 12:27, , 2F
跟禁藥扯上關係，怎麼打都會壓力大的
02/24 12:27, 2F
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02/24 12:34, , 3F
用程序問題來解套本來就會讓自己有個疑雲
02/24 12:34, 3F
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02/24 12:44, , 4F
有專業的可以解說一下 多冰兩天真的會影響檢驗結果嗎
02/24 12:44, 4F
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02/24 12:47, , 5F
律師:冰起來不馬上送，我哪知有沒有被銃康(這樣?
02/24 12:47, 5F
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02/24 12:49, , 6F
真是厲害阿..
02/24 12:49, 6F
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02/24 13:00, , 7F
推一下會壓力大...只能說 期望他能"持續"發揮實力吧...
02/24 13:00, 7F
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02/24 13:09, , 8F
要不要請林杰樑來說看看多冰兩天是否影響結果
02/24 13:09, 8F
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02/24 13:15, , 9F
怎麼會把尿尿放在自己家冰箱冰兩天...
02/24 13:15, 9F
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02/24 13:20, , 10F
沒第一時間送檢誰知道會不會被加料之類的
02/24 13:20, 10F
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02/24 13:34, , 11F
程序問題!!! 哇~~不知會不會拿來跟oj simpson做比較
02/24 13:34, 11F
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02/24 13:34, , 12F
說真的，程序如果是這樣要銃康他超容易的阿...希望是真
02/24 13:34, 12F
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02/24 13:35, , 13F
的沒吃藥純粹誤會就是了
02/24 13:35, 13F
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02/24 14:45, , 14F
如果真的被加料查不出來嗎 感覺沒有真相大白 ><"
02/24 14:45, 14F
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02/24 14:57, , 15F
要銃康的方法很多，沒必要故意帶回家冰起來再銃康。檢驗
02/24 14:57, 15F
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02/24 14:58, , 16F
人員把檢體帶回家冰是被允許的，但前提是要在FedEx已經下
02/24 14:58, 16F
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02/24 14:59, , 17F
班，沒辦法當天把檢體寄出。整件事的關鍵在於檢驗人員在
02/24 14:59, 17F
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02/24 15:00, , 18F
收集Braun的檢體後，時間已經很晚，以為FedEx已經下班休
02/24 15:00, 18F
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02/24 15:01, , 19F
息，所以帶回家冰起來。結果算是Braun的律師厲害，抓到
02/24 15:01, 19F
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02/24 15:02, , 20F
FedEx關門時間要再晚一點，就變成不符合程序，沒有照規定
02/24 15:02, 20F
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02/24 15:03, , 21F
在FedEx開門收件的情況下立刻寄出檢體
02/24 15:03, 21F
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02/24 15:50, , 22F
勝訴但是沒得到清白 單純律師利害
02/24 15:50, 22F
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02/24 15:56, , 23F
美國的律師真的很會這樣子的打法
02/24 15:56, 23F
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02/24 15:57, , 24F
青木表示:
02/24 15:57, 24F
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02/24 16:23, , 25F
還是有個 * 啊
02/24 16:23, 25F
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02/24 16:58, , 26F
奇怪，另外再把人抓來驗一次，用新的檢體不就好了
02/24 16:58, 26F
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02/24 17:17, , 27F
他有驗第二次阿。
02/24 17:17, 27F
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02/24 17:45, , 28F
其實都是這樣打訴訟的啊 程序上可以解決 當然就是先打程序
02/24 17:45, 28F
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02/24 18:04, , 29F
今年沒吃藥不知道會打怎樣喔
02/24 18:04, 29F
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02/24 18:42, , 30F
主打程序正義勝訴很常見阿...之前湯普森也是打程序阿..
02/24 18:42, 30F
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02/24 19:36, , 31F
所以她到底有妹有吃藥
02/24 19:36, 31F
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02/24 19:48, , 32F
人難免會失誤 abc大別在意阿XD
02/24 19:48, 32F
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02/24 20:04, , 33F
Braun took -- and passed -- a second test.
02/24 20:04, 33F
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02/24 20:04, , 34F
so the suspension have to rest on the first sample
02/24 20:04, 34F
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02/24 23:09, , 35F
其實這樣不代表他在禁藥方面沒疑慮，只是免除禁賽
02/24 23:09, 35F
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02/24 23:15, , 36F
之前都這樣的程序做 只能說律師太厲害 有沒有吃藥?嘿嘿
02/24 23:15, 36F
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02/24 23:19, , 37F
幸普森戰術成功
02/24 23:19, 37F
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02/25 01:11, , 38F
真的只是不用禁賽 但可以確定的是他藥檢依舊不合格...
02/25 01:11, 38F
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02/25 01:11, , 39F
除非真的是檢驗員陷害他 否則他就是有吃禁藥阿
02/25 01:11, 39F
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02/25 01:12, , 40F
大聯盟當然不爽 這根本只是在抓漏洞 而不是證明自己的清白
02/25 01:12, 40F
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02/25 01:25, , 41F
藥撿的檢驗結果很難翻盤..
02/25 01:25, 41F
噓
02/25 01:28, , 42F
程序問題也是問題 正規途徑得到的結果哪裡*了
02/25 01:28, 42F
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02/25 01:28, , 43F
推文的為何不能面對事實?
02/25 01:28, 43F
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02/25 01:30, , 44F
更何況驗第二次沒有問題 根本沒可能真正證明清白
02/25 01:30, 44F
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02/25 01:30, , 45F
球員一次沒過就貼標籤得這些人 到底在裝什麼聖人?
02/25 01:30, 45F
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02/25 01:56, , 46F
MLB刑部打算發回重審...
02/25 01:56, 46F
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02/25 02:28, , 47F
鄉民的標準一直是白海豚啊
02/25 02:28, 47F
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02/25 08:44, , 48F
沒照程序來本來就不對 這有甚麼好說嘴的
02/25 08:44, 48F
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02/25 10:14, , 49F
Braun有驗第二次結果是negative嗎???
02/25 10:14, 49F
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02/25 10:14, , 50F
然後程序有問題確實本來就是問題啦 這也是真的XD
02/25 10:14, 50F
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02/25 12:08, , 51F
不知道兩次藥檢多久？真的吃藥有可能第二次驗不出來嗎？
02/25 12:08, 51F
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02/25 12:26, , 52F
先程序後實體 程序有瑕疵 自然就不用進入實體審查(有無用藥)
02/25 12:26, 52F
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02/25 12:27, , 53F
當然也就無法排除真的有(或沒有)用藥的可能
02/25 12:27, 53F
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02/25 13:12, , 54F
剛聽espn，今天這個話題被提到多次，Lin退居第二
02/25 13:12, 54F
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02/25 13:37, , 55F
想知道當年A-ROD那些人驗了幾次沒過??
02/25 13:37, 55F
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02/26 01:03, , 56F
自從藥檢以來所謂的A-Rod那些人可是沒被禁賽過耶
02/26 01:03, 56F
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03/03 16:28, , 57F
Braun 那後面被驗很多次了吧 都沒被爆positive
03/03 16:28, 57F
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03/03 16:29, , 58F
immediate 的補驗的是說在正常範圍
03/03 16:29, 58F
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