Nishioka breaks leg on Swisher's hard slide

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Swisher為了破壞double play硬往Nishioka的腳滑然後就把人家的腿撞斷了... Nishioka:感謝他call我,他不必這麼做的.. 有沒有八卦洋基球員常把別人撞進DL? NEW YORK -- The differences between the big league baseball played in this country and the professional ball in Japan are not always subtle. Some are merely pleasant nuances that barely distinguish one game from the other. Others, though, are sharp contrasts that do set one apart from the other and sometimes make for danger. So it was Thursday afternoon, when the Twins lost a game and their Japanese second baseman, Tsuyoshi Nishioka. Playing his sixth game in the big leagues after seven-plus seasons in Japan, Nishioka suffered a fractured bone in his lower left leg when he was knocked to the turf of Yankee Stadium near second base by an uncommonly hard, but clean slide by Yankees right fielder Nick Swisher. The victim, the alleged perpetrator and almost everyone else who witnessed the play in the seventh inning of the Twins' 4-3 loss said Swisher was innocent of wrong doing. Indeed, Nishioka characterized Swisher's slide as "a "professional play" as he sat in the visiting clubhouse adjacent to a pair of crutches. And Twins manager Ron Gardenhire dismissed speculation that intent was an element in the slide. "Swisher's a clean player. It was a good slide," the manager said. "That's not an issue at all." At the same time, though, Twins coach Jerry White, who played two seasons in Japan, said the impact of the play made it quite different from what he recalled from his experiences in the Far East. "There," White said, "if you get hit by a pitch, the pitcher says, 'Sorry, sorry, sorry. ...' They don't play the same way. You probably wouldn't see a slide like that. And you can get used to that." White said he didn't recall Nishioka experiencing problems at second base during Spring Training or in the first games of the regular season. But he did say Nishioka "seemed to straddle the base longer than usual." Moreover, Nishioka played mostly shortstop in Japan last year. Previously he had won Gold Gloves at shortstop and second base playing for the Chiba Lotte Marines, the team managed by Bobby Valentine. Straddling was not an element in the play Thursday, but a lack of urgency in avoiding contact may have been. Nishioka indicated through his interpreter that the type of slide wasn't uncommon in Japan. But baseball people familiar with the game in both countries often have noted that so-called takeout slides are not routine in Japan. And for that matter, the kind of hard slide Swisher executed is increasingly uncommon in the big leagues. His slide was out of the Don Baylor-Frank Robinson-Hal McRae playbook. "I wasn't trying to hurt him. I was trying to break up the double play," Swisher said. "I didn't mean to do it." He contacted Nishioka in the visiting clubhouse and expressed that. The 26-year-old rookie said "He didn't need [to call]. I appreciate the call." Swisher was the baserunner at first base when Mark Teixeira hit a ground ball to third baseman Danny Valencia. "The throw [to second] caught him a little flat-footed," Gardenhire said. Nishioka moved to the infield side of the base after making his unsuccessful relay to first. Swisher had slid on his right hip, his left leg well off the ground. His leg made contact with Nishioka's lower left leg. The impact was obvious and, in retrospect after Nishioka remained on the ground, a tad gruesome. The club said his left fibula had been cracked about eight inches below the knee and to the outside of the leg. It provided no prognosis or a sense of how severe the break is, and the Twins had made no immediate decisions about how they would replace Nishioka. Later, there were indications that Triple-A second baseman Luke Hughes would be recalled. Matt Tolbert had replaced Nishioka on Thursday. Swisher appeared upset when Nishioka was helped off the field by the trainer and his interpreter. He said the brief conversation eased his mind. "He told me it wasn't my fault," Swisher said. "That made me feel better. ... He said, 'I didn't get out of the way.'" So the Twins left New York for their opening home game uncertain who will bat and play second. Nishioka said he never had suffered a break previously and vowed to return as quickly as possible. "It's pretty sad," Gardenhire said. "We have to look at it as a minor setback. We'll get him better, we'll be OK. He likes to play. He must've told me a thousand times that he plays hurt." -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 149.142.103.104

04/08 08:21, , 1F
心得有點危險XD
04/08 08:21, 1F

04/08 08:22, , 2F
囧 斷腿
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04/08 08:22, , 3F
Cervelli表示...
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04/08 08:23, , 4F
恭喜 可以桶了 掰掰
04/08 08:23, 4F

04/08 08:24, , 5F
這心得有戰的潛力...
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04/08 08:25, , 6F
常常也不是沒根據的吧..4樓再爽啥?
04/08 08:25, 6F

04/08 08:25, , 7F
其實洋基球員的祖先是韓國人,所以才專門撞日本球員
04/08 08:25, 7F

04/08 08:27, , 8F
斷腿...
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04/08 08:29, , 9F
Duncan撞岩村 腿弟撞Guillen Swisher撞西岡 記得的有這三次
04/08 08:29, 9F

04/08 08:30, , 10F
不過除了Duncan有明顯報復嫌疑外看不出有哪位是故意的
04/08 08:30, 10F

04/08 08:30, , 11F
我不是洋基迷,但是Swisher很明顯是clean slide..
04/08 08:30, 11F

04/08 08:36, , 12F
Swisher他那是合法衝撞吧...只是沒想到會撞成這樣子...
04/08 08:36, 12F

04/08 08:45, , 13F
Swisher滑得很合理沒錯
04/08 08:45, 13F

04/08 08:46, , 14F
只能說是真他媽的倒楣了!才剛開始踏入這大江湖就要DL了~衰
04/08 08:46, 14F

04/08 08:46, , 15F
好像曾公有提到西岡閃人時會跳固定方向,結果就..= =
04/08 08:46, 15F

04/08 08:47, , 16F
我看球不久..可以請問一下要如何分辨clean或是dirty slide
04/08 08:47, 16F

04/08 08:48, , 17F
嗎@@?
04/08 08:48, 17F

04/08 08:48, , 18F
最起碼要可以碰到壘包吧 完全碰不到壘包硬要鏟人就超過了
04/08 08:48, 18F

04/08 08:50, , 19F
碰得到壘包的情況下其實應該都算合理範圍.
04/08 08:50, 19F

04/08 08:51, , 20F
應該是會被報復
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04/08 08:52, , 21F
另外西岡不知道為什麼有點卡住
04/08 08:52, 21F

04/08 08:52, , 22F
有的人會去用手去拉也不行 其他情況摸的到壘包應該都可以
04/08 08:52, 22F

04/08 08:52, , 23F
官網影片已經出來了
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04/08 08:53, , 24F
原則上這部分是由裁判主觀判定,不過大致的方向就是判斷跑者
04/08 08:53, 24F

04/08 08:54, , 25F
是否"朝壘包滑壘並順勢阻擋"或"明顯針對野手"這樣去拚
04/08 08:54, 25F

04/08 08:54, , 26F
Swisher都致歉了還報復不太好吧...
04/08 08:54, 26F

04/08 08:55, , 27F
前者通常合法且看起來的確比較不容易亂到野手
04/08 08:55, 27F

04/08 08:56, , 28F
後者就十分明顯...通常是最後才意思一下去碰個壘包
04/08 08:56, 28F

04/08 08:57, , 29F
這種就多半當場直接判妨害守備了
04/08 08:57, 29F

04/08 08:59, , 30F
有沒有天使球員不用別人撞自己就會摔斷腳的八卦
04/08 08:59, 30F

04/08 09:01, , 31F
嗯嗯 了解~
04/08 09:01, 31F

04/08 09:01, , 32F
提供消息ok倒不必這麼說吧 但樓上也不用提Morales吧
04/08 09:01, 32F

04/08 09:02, , 33F
針對樓主天使迷吧 想引戰就不能怕人戰XD
04/08 09:02, 33F

04/08 09:02, , 34F
要可以碰到壘包,手腳不能舉過高(Duncan那次腳故意抬高)
04/08 09:02, 34F

04/08 09:04, , 35F
Swisher是合法衝撞,但事後有致歉算是很有風度了
04/08 09:04, 35F

04/08 09:05, , 36F
Duncan那次好像就直接判妨礙吧? 時間有點久...忘了
04/08 09:05, 36F

04/08 09:05, , 37F
看起來是合法衝撞 但這樣的跑壘還是會有一些爭議
04/08 09:05, 37F

04/08 09:06, , 38F
我還記得他腿高到簡直像用咖撐在摩擦滑行lol
04/08 09:06, 38F

04/08 09:07, , 39F
是哪隊硬把Wilson撞成腦震盪的啊
04/08 09:07, 39F

04/08 09:08, , 40F
Duncan那次是報復行為 但是這次是單純破壞雙殺
04/08 09:08, 40F

04/08 09:11, , 41F
slide 本來就有風險 而且通常是認為野手自己要注意
04/08 09:11, 41F

04/08 09:13, , 42F
再看一次影片後這的確算很有技巧的破壞...還算常見的= =
04/08 09:13, 42F

04/08 09:14, , 43F
好球帶大概幾天就會看到一次野手被剷飛 但受傷就少見了
04/08 09:14, 43F

04/08 09:15, , 44F
詳細一點的話就是西岡沒有選擇直接先跳 而是先跨左腳出去
04/08 09:15, 44F

04/08 09:16, , 45F
Ty Cobb表示:.....
04/08 09:16, 45F

04/08 09:16, , 46F
結果就是這一步讓他要側身傳球沒辦法顧及到Swisher的破壞
04/08 09:16, 46F

04/08 09:19, , 47F
他跳的話就算同樣被撞應該也不至於骨折,因為腳會順勢往後帶
04/08 09:19, 47F

04/08 09:21, , 48F
推文沒人戰原po失望了嗎
04/08 09:21, 48F

04/08 09:28, , 49F
我比較想知道把人弄到受傷後還要對方注意的八卦
04/08 09:28, 49F

04/08 09:42, , 50F
西岡傳一壘都會習慣往前跳...
04/08 09:42, 50F
DaFoo:轉錄至看板 FBaseball 04/08 09:43

04/08 09:53, , 51F
球打出去K到投手也不能怪打者啊,這就是棒球…
04/08 09:53, 51F

04/08 09:58, , 52F
大概沒人記得去年bobby wilson在本壘被鐵爺撞進DL的事...
04/08 09:58, 52F

04/08 09:58, , 53F
K到投手...這使我想到Abreu...
04/08 09:58, 53F

04/08 10:08, , 54F
還好 Wilson 回來了~
04/08 10:08, 54F

04/08 10:24, , 55F
clean slide 當然是防守球員自行注意, 難道要人家不滑嗎
04/08 10:24, 55F

04/08 10:43, , 56F
這是clean slide 所以沒有八卦
04/08 10:43, 56F

04/08 10:53, , 57F
clean slide 洩洩指教
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04/08 10:59, , 58F
霸凌啦
04/08 10:59, 58F

04/08 12:13, , 59F
紐約三棲隊baseball, football, soccer
04/08 12:13, 59F

04/08 12:16, , 60F
他根本閃都沒閃腳就直接往前踏,不被撞才奇怪
04/08 12:16, 60F

04/08 12:19, , 61F
撞進DL是事實~什麼故不故意正不正確都是推文自己在戰吧~
04/08 12:19, 61F

04/08 12:21, , 62F
============合法衝撞============謝謝指教
04/08 12:21, 62F

04/08 12:33, , 63F
洋基雙城第一戰曾公就有針對西岡剛的防守作了一些評斷
04/08 12:33, 63F

04/08 12:34, , 64F
果不其然,今天就..... 快點好起來吧^^
04/08 12:34, 64F

04/08 12:50, , 65F
因為今天鏟到西岡的是Swisher 如果是A-Rod大概就戰了
04/08 12:50, 65F

04/08 12:55, , 66F
看了影片,西岡剛完全沒有做閃躲的動作,我想當時Swisher
04/08 12:55, 66F

04/08 12:55, , 67F
可能也會有點傻眼他怎麼不閃~~~
04/08 12:55, 67F

04/08 13:42, , 68F
clean slide
04/08 13:42, 68F

04/08 14:26, , 69F

04/08 14:27, , 70F
鐵爺好有拼戰精神 ^.<
04/08 14:27, 70F

04/08 14:29, , 71F
媽!我在這
04/08 14:29, 71F

04/08 16:36, , 72F
好奇問: MLB有沒有類似足球的公平競賽獎? 評選球風乾淨度
04/08 16:36, 72F

04/08 16:56, , 73F
loiter3是看太多cpbl溫良恭儉讓嗎?
04/08 16:56, 73F

04/08 17:28, , 74F
洋基1B也很會撞呀
04/08 17:28, 74F

04/08 18:22, , 75F
鐵爺那的確是不太好~一般比較有風度都會跟捕手示意一下
04/08 18:22, 75F

04/08 18:32, , 76F
請跟Alex Gonzalez學一下怎躲鏟腳好嗎
04/08 18:32, 76F

04/08 21:45, , 77F
超有品的 直接朝人家腳滑過去耶^.<
04/08 21:45, 77F

04/08 23:24, , 78F
這麼喜歡引戰,冒昧請問你是不是還是學生??
04/08 23:24, 78F

04/08 23:49, , 79F
當事人都說那不是Swisher的錯了,我不知道這還能戰什麼?
04/08 23:49, 79F

04/08 23:50, , 80F
另外,日職比較少出現這種比較有攻擊性的滑壘,或許他
04/08 23:50, 80F

04/08 23:51, , 81F
自己也沒什麼意識該去閃吧,然後就被震撼教育了 囧
04/08 23:51, 81F

04/09 00:10, , 82F
推樓上 習慣上的差異
04/09 00:10, 82F

04/09 02:20, , 83F
miabcd199大概想湊熱鬧吧 君不見MLB野手被鏟飛是家常便飯
04/09 02:20, 83F

04/09 02:21, , 84F
更多的是被鏟到快要轉大車輪了還能殺到一壘 lol
04/09 02:21, 84F

04/09 10:13, , 85F
Hanley 今天也被一模一樣的情況撞到受傷
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04/09 18:37, , 86F
洋基球員比較有拼戰精神
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