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英文小天王來救援了 ※ 引述《Rimi5566 (→ 里美㊣五六 ←)》之銘言: : 我英文不好不翻惹 : 有興趣強者幫忙翻完整 : http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/id/14831867/dissecting-ahq-two-man-mid-lane : Taiwanese Diarchy: Dissecting ahq's Two-Man Mid Lane : James "Obscurica" Chen : It takes something special for a team to go five weeks without dropping a : single game. Usually, that something "special" comes in the form of : criticism: When the Taipei Assassins pulled off their streak back in 2012, : spearheading their legendary warpath to the World Championship grand finals : that year, it was obvious at first glance that a large chunk of their stats : were basically padding, courtesy of much weaker Southeast Asian teams. 地區賽打太好會被說都在宰弱隊 : While it certainly didn't take away from TPA's October miracle, beating down : the likes of Moscow 5 and Azubu Frost at their respective heights, the : closeness of each set demonstrated the many weaknesses that their local : dominance belied. Similarly, when Cloud9 pulled off their stunning rookie : season in North America, it was accepted that it was equal parts their own : skill plus major strategic weaknesses of the North American LCS as a whole. : Sometimes, though, a team is simply really good at this game -- such as South : Korea's SKT T1 K back in 2013-2014, coming off a World Championship victory : to sweep clean the Korean scene then split afterward. The fact that they : crashed and burned immediately in the wake of that achievement, even missing : Worlds 2014, is beside the point: The Korean scene was the most competitive : of any of the regions back then and now, and what they accomplished was : unthinkable. Is ahq E-Sports Club the next SKT T1? TPA跟C9大家都覺得是對手太廢,只有SKT真的超強才能一直贏 ahq是SKT二代ㄇ? : Probably not (unless League of Legends Master Series fans get really lucky), : but the underlying conditions of their Spring 2016 success thus far has more : in common with 2013 SKT than 2012 TPA. The LoL Master Series has proven : extremely competitive thus far: Worlds quarterfinalists like the Flash Wolves : are just barely able to stay ahead of contenders like Hong Kong Esports, a : resurgent Machi 17, and even surprise rookie force XGamers, though the last : of these still have a lot to improve upon. Flash Wolves even arguably did : better than ahq last October, but the scrappy team of Taiwanese teens that : beat down Worlds finalists ROX Tigers twice in the 2015 group stages find : themselves stuck under ahq's enormous shadow. 不是 : Strangely, like with the Wolves, ahq hardly changed between October and now. : The team decided to stay together despite publicized offers from Chinese : organizations, and only mid laner Liu "Westdoor" Shu-Wei had suggested : retirement, only to change his mind before the split started. It seems hard : to believe that ahq's power spike comes with giving Westdoor 50 percent fewer : games, but the results speak for themselves: By buying out Wong "Chawy" Xing : Lei, last year's Taipei Assassins mid laner, an already strong Taiwanese team : has turned into regional kings. And a lot of it is specifically because of : which of those 50 percent they took away from Westdoor to give to Chawy. 不過把一半的中路讓給秋味以後,ahq變超強^^ : The Assassin : The team's senior mid laner plays exclusively blue-side games now, and it's : not hard to see why. True, he was able to stand toe-to-toe versus Faker last : October on Fizz, famously his best champion. True, he occasionally brings in : innovative picks from the upper echelons of Korean solo queue, like last : year's anti-LeBlanc Cho'gath -- very, very occasionally. : Fact is, however, he has played mainly six champions in three years and : countless dozens of patches: Diana, Ahri, Twisted Fate, Zed, LeBlanc and : Fizz. Five out of six of those are clear-cut assassins. Twisted Fate, the : sole exception, is his Original Flavor classic, the solo queue pub stomper he : used to terrorize North America with before Garena was established as : Taiwan's League of Legends publisher and server. Furthermore, the play style : for Twisted Fate is analogous with the rest of his pool: Show up where he's : least expected and annihilate a single target, letting his team sweep through : with an advantageous five versus four. 現在西門只打藍方,因為他會被虐 : But that hyper-focused specialization had some serious weaknesses exposed : this time last year, when ahq was struggling to stay in fourth place. When : assassins are out of meta, Westdoor suffers heavily from the inherent : difficulty to scale up with farm; he usually finds himself pushed under the : turret and far behind the rival mid laner, though eventually finds a way to : make it up by split pushing empty lanes and the simple matter of killing : people for extra gold. But based on the patch, he's also the easiest top-tier : player to ban out, just keep him off of Fizz, and the enemy mid laner : basically has their choice of whatever non-assassin meta option is left over, : usually acting as a direct counter to what Westdoor has left. 只會打刺客的西門 農不贏別人+只能分推,ban掉飛斯以後對面爽選啥就選 : As a result, ahq traditionally has been strongest on blue side. Having : first-pick priority means they can draft around Westdoor's weaknesses, either : banning out the champions that gives his remaining options the hardest time, : or at least setting up either Chen "Ziv" Yi or Chou "AN" Chun-An with power : picks of their own to offset a weaker mid lane (and it helps that both Ziv : and AN became much better after former support player Tsai "GreenTea' : Shang-Ching stepped down to take over as team analyst). Unfortunately, a team : can't dominate the LMS with only blue-side mastery. So they called in fire : support. 所以ahq藍方時可以幫西門b/p,或是幫Ziv跟小安選強勢角 : The Magician : Thing about Wong "Chawy" Xing-Lei is, he's really used to solo-carrying. His : career has been a litany of missed opportunities. Back on the Singapore : Sentinels, he barely missed back-to-back world championships thanks to : half-hearted teammates. He gets recruited by the Taipei Assassins in 2014, : and gets to watch from the sidelines as then-mid laner Chen "Morning" : Kuan-Ting completely failed to capitalize on early leads and throw away game : after game. 秋味從以前就常常要負責一個人carry整隊 : He's finally named starter for TPA, and it's TPA's worst roster since the : Great Hangover of 2013. Despite all that, his skill and determination is : self-evident, even being named LMS MVP despite TPA's shortcomings throughout : last year. So what happens when Chawy is on a legitimately good team? Chawy : farms better than Westdoor (50 more CS per game on average), plays longer : games than Westdoor (six minutes longer on average), and, unlike Westdoor, : favors area-of-effect mages that lend well to deliberative map-control : strategies (thus explaining both the farm and longer games). Chawy also can't : get banned out, playing 11 different champions in the spring of 2015, and 12 : in the summer (he's currently on six, halfway through Spring 2016). 結果他變TPA中路時,隊上其他位置超弱 各項數據都屌打西門 : Normally, that would suggest a player that plays just to the patch without : particular specialties or strengths of his own, except that Chawy is more : likely than not to define the region's mid lane metagame. He attracts the : same number of targeted bans as Westdoor (11 each), despite not having a : legendary pocket specialty like Fizz, and is the main reason why Zilean mid : lane is now often banned in Taiwan, despite playing it only once on stage. : Granted, when you've been dominating solo queue with it, and the one pro game : you played was 40 minutes of playing with your food, Chawy's rivals are well : in their right to make it his most frequent ban. 而且口袋中的寶可夢比西門深很多 : But despite doing more damage, farming more kills and generating more gold : per game, Chawy's damage participation ratio has actually gone down since : leaving TPA. Neither ahq or Chawy has ever had it so good. Chawy gets a team : where even his best effort is successfully matched by his team, and ahq gets : a mid laner that greatly expands their strategic repertoire. It'd be almost : tempting to say that Westdoor is obsolete. 換隊後佔的傷害比例反而下降,但對整隊都是好事 : Chawy's magic act works on multiple levels; not just in the most common : attributes of his champion roster, but also in the strategic sleight of hand. : Ziv and AN are just as likely to hard-carry an ahq game (AN in particular) : yet don't receive anywhere near the amount of targeted bans or in-game focus. : And amid the literally dozens of champions that Chawy has pulled out over the : course of his career, most teams have missed out that he's not just the : anti-Westdoor in terms of champion diversity, he's also the anti-Westdoor in : what he can't play. 現在其他人可以爽選角,不用幫西門選 : Chawy has an amazing LeBlanc. That is not at all the same thing as saying he : can play assassins. His Kassadin is weak (never mind the KDA: the last time : he played it, he was blowing Flashes from getting ganked near his own : turret), his Diana is deplorable (played it only once last year, to be fair), : and overall he's much more likely to be in the back of a fight zapping people : to respawn than doing so in your face. He's a natural red side player: the : second pick position lets him react to the other team's compositions, and : there's a lot more mages than assassins with the crowd control to do so. 在紅方能選站樁就是比只能選刺客好啦 : Two Thrones : Frankly, this is an unfair setup for the rest of the LMS -- or, indeed, : anywhere else Traditionally, the sole mid laner on a team does a lot to set : their collective personality and style. The position has easy access to the : rest of the map and usually gets a lot more gold than the jungler, making : them a central mainspring to whatever strategy the team is conducting. But : "style and personality" is just another way to say "strengths and : weaknesses," and even SKT T1 occasionally struggles when Faker hasn't yet : gotten a grasp on the current metagame or the play style of the opposing mid : laner (this spring, in particular, has been rough for the 2013 and 2015 world : champions). 現在LMS其他隊伍只能等著被虐 : ahq has their weaknesses, but it isn't something that teams can develop and : force in-game. If patch balance gets really bad, either Westdoor's assassins : become a liability, or Chawy's comparably poor handle on assassins makes : red-side matches unfavorable (the champion archetype's tendency to blow : people up without much in the way of counterplay does, admittedly, make them : a constant and moving target by Riot's balance team). On the other hand, a : shift in balance either way just serves to empower one of two players who : were already at the forefront of the Taiwanese scene, and without forcing ahq : to go through that awkward integration period teams suffer when they have to : drop a player for somebody new. ahq還是有弱點,不過其他人更廢 : It may be that ahq has done something nobody else in the world of pro League : of Legends has quite figured out: How to work a legitimately functional : substitution system. Though SKT T1 tried it with Easyhoon and Faker last : year, the pre-eminence of the latter legend made it an entirely unequal : relationship, eventually leading to Easyhoon flying over to China for LPL's : Vici Gaming in hopes of escaping Faker's shadow. No such problem exists for : Westdoor or Chawy, at least not yet. For now, they stand as the deadliest duo : the island has ever seen. Come the Mid-Season Invitational, scheduled in May : at Shanghai, China, ahq's diarchy will likely get its first real : international test. ahq或許找到一個新的隊伍組法:用紅藍方來決定誰打中路 藍方出刺客,紅方出站樁 : It may be brash to predict only halfway through spring that it'll be ahq : taking LMS Spring and qualifying, but at the rate they're going, who's going : to stop them? The only real question is which of the two kings of mid lane : will be trusted to carry the banner in a game-five scenario. And if it'll be : enough to take on Korea. ahq唯一的問題剩下虐完LMS以後,季後打BO5誰要上三場而已 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 107.3.192.10 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/LoL/M.1456987453.A.B05.html ※ 編輯: PUJOLSisGOD (107.3.192.10), 03/03/2016 14:44:45

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謝謝P維拉
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救援投手上場囉
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好多SKT好棒棒的文章一直跑出來
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03/03 14:53, , 5F
這篇也是個人言論>實際文章敘述= =
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聯合歡迎您。
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看起來翻得不錯 有人要補充嗎
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妓者4ni?
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但是上次輸的那場不是紅方大將刺客嗎還是我記錯
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喜歡你暖暖的文字
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喔 是喔 真的假的
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是紅方維克特,兒童劫沒有輸
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BO5為什麼一直被提出來?看自己在哪一方決定不是?
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這個翻譯就是來討喜氣的
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阿霞4ni嗎?
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我覺得不錯阿
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這真的不是引戰的嗎ww
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87
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這翻譯極神
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這翻譯有87分
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殺小 這翻譯來亂的吧
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西門S5就很少firstpick了 還在那邊說搶角= =
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這翻譯,有霉體的87%水準
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甲上
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翻譯只找重點自己解釋 我笑惹 給你推
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這翻譯..........
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這篇怎麼沒人推檢討西門了 不是很愛檢討?
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講實話西粉就不檢討了喔
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