[閒聊]Cloudtemplar & Rapidstar - B組分析消失

看板LoL作者時間9年前 (2014/09/17 17:16), 9年前編輯推噓176(186推 10噓 91→)
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原文網址:http://tinyurl.com/kth8t6d Cloudtemplar & Rapidstar Analysis on Group B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMYGj6QUyeM
Reddit轉過來的. 本來想說有人會翻這篇,不過好像沒人發. 由外國網友 把韓文轉成英文. 這裡再英翻中 大概把每段翻譯一下。 == TSM TSM won LCS because they had Lustboy. Their individual skills and mechanics are top level in NA and their laning phase was really strong until mid game. But as the game goes all the wards disappeared and they didn't know what to do. The reason that they beat all the other top NA teams was that Lustboy was leading the warding process. As Lustboy did all the warding work their skills showed their potential and could beat C9. TSM should just focus on the laning phase and go into 5v5 endgame fights later then they can compete with others. But TSM should not let Dyrus split push. He teleports into a random ward behind the enemy team and randomly wastes skills. TSM會贏LCS,是因為他們有Lustboy. 他們的個人技巧跟操作在北美都是頂級 中期前的對線也很強. 但是比賽中沒有視野,他們會不知道要幹嘛. 他們之所以能幹掉北美頂尖的隊伍,是因為Lustboy帶領他們 處理視野控制的這一塊。 Lustboy扛了這一些關於眼位的工作,所以他們才能發揮潛力 幹掉C9 TSM應該專注在對線上,然後打個5V5一波勝負的團戰. 這樣他們才有機會跟其他隊打 還有別讓Dyrus搞分推. 他常常隨便傳送到敵方後面的一支眼 而且隨便地交技能. -- Starhorn Royal Club The main star of this team is Uzi and Zero. Zero used to be a really underestimated player and he did not show that much even by changing positions. But when he is playing in China he changed so much that Zero and FZZF should be called the two best supporters in China. And Insec and Zero are always moving together, but they talk in Korean when they do. Royal Club is strange as it is mixed with Korean and Chinese, so their communication has its limit. Therefore they cannot compete with other teams in terms of teamfight where communication is the most important thing. 這支隊伍的主角是Uzi和Zero. 以往Zero就是個被低估的選手.因為位置調動的關係 而沒展現到多少. 不過他去中國後轉變很多. 他跟FZZF可以說是中國最強的兩個輔助 Insec跟Zero常一起行動.此時他們會講韓文. 皇族是一支由中國人跟韓國人組成的 奇特隊伍. 所以他們在溝通方面會有所侷限. 而溝通在團戰來說是最重要的事, 因而,在這部分他們很難跟其他隊伍抗衡。 -- TPA TPA used to be so weak until early 2014, but they have changed when their coach was changed. Their color became similar to that of Korean teams. They can win except against Korean team. EU and NA teams' picks and bans are really strange, but TPA's picks and bans are carefully structured just like top Chinese teams. Also Bebe have played for all the three lanes, so that his understanding of the positions are so high. He plays AD carry just like Top or Mid Champions. The new coach for TPA taught things like object control that Korean teams knew already, and they are so careful that they do not make that much mistakes when taking objects. TPA is the strongest team after Korean teams, and they should not be considered as underdogs. 在2014年初,TPA還很弱. 但在換教練後,他們已經變了. 他們現在很像韓國隊伍 他們可以贏除了韓國以外的所有隊伍. 歐美隊伍的B/P很玄,但TPA的B/P是很謹慎架構的, 就像中國頂尖隊伍一樣. 另外,Bebe三條路都有打過,所以他對位置的理解非常高. 他打ADC 就像打中路或上路的英雄一樣. 新教練 教了TPA,一些像目標控制..等 韓國隊伍已經知道的東西, 他們在目標拼搶上,非常謹慎而不犯太多的錯誤. TPA是非韓最強的隊伍. 不應該被當成肉腳來看待。 SK Gaming Saying this even though I'd be insulted by many EU fans, but Europe's Top laners are extinct literally. Their mechanics are good enough to get to Challenger in Korean Solo queue, but when they play a team game their plays makes me want to swear. Their teleport locations are really strange and not necessary. When they use teleport they first need to indicate their teams that Top is going to use teleport, but they play as they use teleport first and tell the team that they already used teleport. SK's main player is Svenskeren. Their skill in planning the whole game is good and their teamwork is clean, even better than Alliance. But they get caught one by one by the other team after they took objective and that's how they lose a winning game. And their teamfight often creates only disadvantages for SK. 講這個我可能會被歐洲的粉絲靠杯. 但歐洲的上路選手可以說GG了. 他們 的操作雖然足以讓他們打到韓服solo精英, 但他們打團隊時的Play,我都想靠杯他們 像他們傳送的位置有夠怪異而且沒必要, 當傳送前,首先要指示隊友,我上路要傳囉! 但是他們常常反過來,先傳了才跟隊友說. SK的主角是Svenskeren. SK對於整個遊戲 的計畫很好,而且團隊運作乾淨俐落,甚至比Alliance還好.不過他們常在爭奪到目標後, 一個接一個的被抓掉,這就是為什麼他們會輸掉一場贏的遊戲。還有，他們經常在落後時 去開團戰。 Overall Royal & TPA Lustboy has to take care of all 4 players so that's going to be really hard. But in Royal is divided in 3 and 2 so that the advantage in number gives Royal the advantage. TPA might be the most strongest team in group B. SK has really small chance of getting out of group stage. TSM needs to boost up their game managing skills or they will lose. Insec's champion pool is smaller than expected, but he is still better than Amazing. Most of the opinion is from Rapidstar who talked about 90% of what was written here. Also it's not 100% accurate so please inform me when there are mistakes. 總結 Royal & TPA Lustboy 一個要照顧四個非常難. 皇族這邊分成3跟2. 數字的優勢 (相對tsm來說, 皇族是兩個carry三個) 會帶給皇族一點優勢 TPA 也許是B組最強的隊伍. SK出線的機會非常小. TSM必須提高處理遊戲的技巧 不然他們就會輸. Insec的口袋深度比想像中來得小,不過他還是比Amazing強。 這篇文章寫的90%,都是Rapidstar講的評論. 可能不是100%正確,哪邊有錯請跟我說 == 因為原文是 韓翻英, 這邊再英翻中. 另外原文的下方回覆, 英文原PO, 在Lustboy要一Carry四那部分, 好像也有漏聽還是什麼的, 哪邊有需要改的 麻煩在跟我說一下 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.46.198.11 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/LoL/M.1410945380.A.147.html
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09/17 17:17, , 1F
B組怎麼預測得讓我好謎 不過SK都被看扁
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09/17 17:18, , 2F
我都想靠杯他們XDDDDD
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09/17 17:18, , 3F
急速星星一個看好TPA
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09/17 17:19, , 4F
第一次有人提到bebe？
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09/17 17:20, , 5F
Lustboy有這麼強?
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09/17 17:20, , 6F
tpa1 royal2 tsm3 sk4 早說過了
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09/17 17:20, , 7F
因為輸過 所以才懂~~~~
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09/17 17:20, , 8F
希望這篇神準
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RS這對TPA的評價是真的看過還是憑印象阿
09/17 17:20, 9F
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09/17 17:20, , 10F
B組感覺實力很接近 TPATPA
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09/17 17:21, , 11F
非韓最強 wow
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TPA是非韓最強的隊伍 reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally??
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TPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09/17 17:21, , 14F
Lustboy應該是北美區最強SUP吧 但也就是北美區
09/17 17:21, 14F
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09/17 17:21, , 15F
這評價給好高...可是速星跟甜不辣真的看過現在TPA?
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09/17 17:21, , 16F
結論:SK沒有韓國人 所以他們會墊底
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RS是兩年前被電太慘無法忘懷吧
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09/17 17:21, , 18F
SK GG 核心禁賽
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09/17 17:21, , 19F
非韓最強 我信了!
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09/17 17:21, , 20F
Lustboy本來在KR就是一線Sup..
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09/17 17:21, , 21F
sk的主角掰啦
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09/17 17:22, , 22F
Lustboy是真的很強...他之前是搭配的AD都不夠猛
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09/17 17:22, , 23F
RS~
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不用看好嗎 只要聽對練消息就知道了 高端都知道
09/17 17:22, 24F
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SK的主角是Svenskeren wwwwww
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09/17 17:22, , 26F
他可是當年的露璐王耶...
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09/17 17:22, , 27F
在Madlife如日中天的時候 他說過只有Lustboy是對手
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09/17 17:23, , 28F
sk都被看扁了 主角卻走了三場XDDDD
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09/17 17:23, , 29F
Lustboy 在韓國已是過去式了 隨然我很懷念他的LULU
09/17 17:23, 29F
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09/17 17:23, , 30F
想看sk屌虐tpa
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09/17 17:23, , 31F
TPA那麼常跟韓國練 實力多少韓國都很清楚
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09/17 17:23, , 32F
那個年代本來就沒幾支隊伍XD
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09/17 17:23, , 33F
太高估了吧 是有陰影嗎XD
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09/17 17:23, , 34F
非韓最強!?!?! 真假 \TPA/ \TPA/ \TPA/ \TPA/
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SK爆炸囉~
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09/17 17:23, , 36F
昨天看睡神殺翻TFA那場 睡神真的很愛傳送一些怪位
09/17 17:23, 36F
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09/17 17:24, , 37F
速星跟甜不辣又不是職業選手怎會一定很清楚..
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09/17 17:24, , 38F
不過我還不相信tpa有進步到可以打贏 edg
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09/17 17:24, , 39F
還是很多隊伍啦 只是沒這麼多大公司贊助而已....
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還有 209 則推文
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09/17 19:13, , 249F
韓國教練>2韓國隊員>1韓國隊員>0 這是分析還吹捧阿?
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09/17 19:13, , 250F
配合下一篇鐵人的訪問看 對歐美會嘗試不同戰術
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09/17 19:14, , 251F
感覺看到歐美的評價好像正常?
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09/17 19:15, , 252F
結果小組墊底
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09/17 19:15, , 253F
明天就開打了 給點信心
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09/17 19:18, , 254F
不管怎樣 反正我是信了
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09/17 19:20, , 255F
感覺會大澇賽
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噓
09/17 19:27, , 256F
可惡 快打我臉
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09/17 19:28, , 257F
畢竟被前TPA打歪過 給TPA相當的尊重
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噓
09/17 19:32, , 258F
自慰文
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09/17 19:43, , 259F
衝著他把TPA講成那樣我給他一個推
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09/17 19:44, , 260F
TSM 到時候變第三會不會崩潰~
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09/17 19:46, , 262F
我開始相信你惹
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09/17 20:07, , 263F
感覺超捧韓國的 不過也有捧TPA
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09/17 20:16, , 264F
太捧了吧.....
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09/17 20:23, , 265F
非韓最強 讓我想到sen
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09/17 20:23, , 266F
完美傳送...希望有進步,不然又要完美送頭了
09/17 20:23, 266F
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09/17 20:23, , 267F
非韓最強...雖已是恭維的好話但還是令人苦笑
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100%
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09/17 20:25, , 269F
反正我4信了
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09/17 20:36, , 270F
rapidstar還在喔 在S2被Toyz射滿臉的教學
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09/17 20:37, , 271F
聽說到現在還會夢到toyz嚇到驚醒 他最恨的就是TPA
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09/17 20:38, , 272F
當然要反串說的非常強 然後TPA被洗臉一起看笑話
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09/17 21:00, , 273F
一整個誇TPA 送
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09/17 21:20, , 274F
PUSH
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09/17 21:29, , 275F
TPA...被捧好高QQ
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09/17 21:29, , 276F
酸Rs被Toyz打爆的真的知道他多猛嗎XD
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09/17 21:43, , 277F
捧的越高 一不小心摔下來的話……
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09/17 21:52, , 278F
就只活在S2阿 而且還只活那幾場比賽
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09/17 22:03, , 279F
反正我是信了 \TPA/\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/
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09/17 22:11, , 280F
這兩個不只小組分析...在結尾的綜合排名...
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好像也給TPA第四名!?
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09/17 22:35, , 282F
看來他倆心中s2的陰影不小啊
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09/18 00:01, , 283F
我記得他是出了名的冥燈阿...
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09/18 01:13, , 284F
\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/\TPA/
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09/18 01:45, , 285F
踢批欸加油阿阿阿
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09/18 03:27, , 286F
1反正我是信了!!!!!!! TPA TPA TPA
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※ 編輯: AloRaiVet (114.46.198.11), 09/18/2014 03:38:17
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pta是什麼?ptt?ppt?
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