[外電] 尼克暑期的財務報表

看板Knicks作者 (RaiN)時間13年前 (2012/05/15 07:00), 編輯推噓51(510116)
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這篇真是靠盃長的,但是我想這應該有助於釐清大家對薪資的疑惑跟預測?...或至少對我 有幫助啦...我大部分都只是簡譯,也希望我沒有理解錯誤... http://tinyurl.com/btksehv If you thought dissecting the collective bargaining agreement and a team's spending cans and cannots were tricky, you're definitely not the only one. In fact, as one veteran NBA journalist put it, "It's a minefield. Even GMs call the league and say, 'Can I do this?'" Now that the Knicks' season is in the books, what are their options when the free-agency period starts July 1? ESPN New York's Jared Zwerling consulted with NBA salary cap expert Larry Coon to get the answers you need and more. For starters, the Knicks are currently $5.6 million under the league-mandated $58.044 million salary cap. (On July 1, if the cap stays the same, which it likely will, they will be $5.65 million over.) Currently, the main players under contract for next season include: Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas. In addition, J.R. Smith has a player option of $2.443 million, Josh Harrellson has a team option of $762,195, Jerome Jordan has a non-guaranteed salary of $762,195 and while Renaldo Balkman cleared waivers this past season, he's still owed some salary that counts against the cap. The team's restricted free agents are Jeremy Lin and Landry Fields, and the unrestricted pool includes: Steve Novak, Baron Davis, Jared Jeffries, Mike Bibby, Bill Walker and Dan Gadzuric. Looking ahead to the offseason, the key moves for the team include Smith's opt in or out, potentially re-signing Fields, using their mid-level exception of about $3 million (taxpayer) or of about $5 million (non-taxpayer), potentially using their bi-annual exception of $1.98 million and then spending a couple of veteran's minimums of $1.4 million each. Their biggest hurdle will be deciding which amount of their mid-level exception to give to Lin. Here's the full breakdown: J.R. SMITH Smith has a player option of $2.443 million for next season, which he can opt out of. The Knicks will know by July 1 if he's going to do so. If he does, that means the team will still be above the cap ($3.157 million), and they won't gain anything. That $2.443 million is not extra money that actually exists in order for the team to sign someone else. Even if Smith opts out, the Knicks could re-sign him for a 20 percent raise based on his $2.382 million salary from this past season. That's enabled by the Non-Bird Exception, which would put him at $3.097 million for 2012-13. A source told ESPN New York that Smith's father, Earl, is going to make a strong case for his son to stay in New York, but "it's very clear that the money is the biggest factor with him." In fact, when Smith chose the Knicks over the Clippers in mid-February after coming back from China, a source said the Knicks' higher offer ($2.443 million to the Clippers' $1.4 million veteran's minimum) was the deciding factor because he was financially broke. Therefore, Smith will likely opt out and ask for the 20 percent raise. At that point, the ball will be in the Knicks' court to re-sign Smith, who's already said publicly that he wants to return next season. 簡述: 即使JR離開,尼克也頂多少$2.4M,而且也還是會高於cap $3.1M,尤其那 多出來的2.4M也不見得額外多簽誰。如果尼克要簽回他,基於NB exception,可以加薪 20%。JR的爸爸希望他留在紐約,但是據悉當初JR會加入尼克就是因為錢的因素,所以如果 JR真的會回來尼克,可能的做法就是跳出再跳進。 JEREMY LIN During the lockout negotiations, the league wanted additional spending restrictions to be placed on all tax-paying teams. But the players' union managed to wrest one concession in the final labor settlement: those restrictions wouldn't be triggered once a team is above the tax line. As a result, the owners gave teams a little extra breathing room. They defined a point $4 million above the tax line, which they call the "apron," where those restrictions kicked in. With an anticipated $70 million tax level, the apron will come in around $74 million this summer. One of the restrictions placed on teams above the apron was the smaller mid-level exception of about $3 million, while teams under the apron could have the larger mid-level exception of about $5 million. Since a team above the apron can't offer more than $3 million in a mid-level contract, the converse is also true: a team that offers more than $3 million in a mid-level contract can't subsequently exceed the apron. The consequences are potentially devastating for teams with payrolls below the apron. If a team spends more than $3 million of its mid-level exception, then the apron becomes a hard cap for the remainder of the season. If you're a General Manager trying to assemble a winning roster, "hard cap" is an ugly, ugly phrase. Keeping that in mind, the Knicks are in a unique situation regarding their mid-level exception -- and it's all because of Lin, a restricted free agent. While the Knicks can sign him to the non-taxpayer mid-level exception of about $3 million or below, anything above that would create a hard cap. Lin is likely going to demand his maximum of about $5 million for two main reasons: 1.) While he may not have that much basketball value right now, teams will be drawn to bringing Linsanity to their city; and 2.) Because other teams are going to know that the Knicks will be hard-capped if Lin re-signs for $3 million or more, they'll press them to match at about $5 million. If the Knicks do, they'll still be able to re-sign him because he's a restricted free agent. In fact, because he has that status, the Knicks and Lin could agree to an offer sheet even before other teams bid for his services. And the Knicks can match any number because of the Gilbert Arenas provision, which prevents other teams from offering too much. Currently, the Knicks are below the apron, so they'll be hoping and praying that Lin signs an offer sheet for $3 million or less. If the Knicks keep Lin at that amount (and they don’t use their bi-annual exception), they won't be capped at $74 million, and they can later go above the apron. Therefore, they could make trades that take on lots of additional salary, but they will still have to pay tax if their team salary is above the tax line (no transactions exempt a team from potentially paying tax). While Lin's agent, Roger Montgomery, will have a fiduciary responsibility to his client to get him the best deal possible, he'll know the eventual suitor will be the Knicks. Therefore, Montgomery could ask Lin to do the Knicks a favor and take $2 million less and sign for about $3 million, in order to give the team salary-cap flexibility. By staying in New York, Lin would be make up the difference off the court by being a hot name in the No. 1 media market. What Montgomery will have to watch out for is the Knicks saying, "Sign with us for $3 million and we'll promise to take care of you later." It's that promise to take care of you later that gets teams into trouble. Now, keep this in mind: While the Knicks need to use their mid-level exception to re-sign Lin, they don't have to use it on Lin. They can spend it on anyone. For example, they could let him walk in order to sign unrestricted free agent Steve Nash, who's reportedly going to demand $3 to $5 million per year, or Goran Dragic, who will likely be in the same ballpark. But, again, anything more than $3 million will set a hard cap on the Knicks. If that happens, they won't have any flexibility to make any offseason or in-season moves (signs, trades, replacing an injured player, etc.) that leaves them above the $74 million threshold. For example, let’s say they have a team salary of $68 million after signing Lin, or about $6 million below the hard cap. They could make a trade (provided all other trade rules are satisfied) that adds up to $6 million to their payroll. But they couldn’ t make a trade that adds $7 million. Whatever the case, all signs point to Lin being a Knick. As one source familiar with his situation put it, "He's going to be in New York next year regardless, unless they decide they're not going to match him because Nash is going to come in at $5 million or something like that. But Nash is a pipe dream. I think that they keep Lin, just because of his popularity." As for the length of Lin's contract, the Knicks have the option of making it four years. (It could actually be three years with a player option on the fourth.) Teams tend to lock up players who are fairly cheap, but are still a big part of their future and have the potential to progress quickly in only half of that four-year window. 簡述: 今夏預測的tax level應該是70M,lockout時勞資協議的結果是,如果此隊已經高於 此限,最後一線生機將是大約4M的"apron"空間。而mid-level exception錢的多寡將決定 於這隊是否已經花超過apron,也就是74M。如果是,MLE就只剩3M,若否,那就可以有5M。 換言之,隊伍要先決定他們的MLE,才能期待有apron的空間。所以如果任何人簽超過3M的 MLE,尼克都會under hard-capped。林的經紀人可能可以說服林留下,並以廣告收入彌補, MSG可能會跟經紀人談好條件,類似於"跟我簽3M,我會照顧好之後的一切",但類似於這樣 的承諾常常讓球隊陷入麻煩 (這到底是啥意思?) 另外,其他隊伍也知道尼克的財務狀況, 所以他們也會想辦法推尼克入火坑,就是強迫尼克match林的deal。所以到頭來,如果尼克 先跟林交涉過了,而林也願意以3M加盟,那對尼克就是再好不過的情形了。而以球隊的角 度,尼克可能會跟林簽四年,趁他還便宜時,然後第四年是player's option。 LANDRY FIELDS If the Knicks re-sign Lin to the full mid-level exception of about $5 million, that means they'll be hard-capped and only have about $9 million left to spend, which begs the question: Do they want to spend $5 million of that remaining amount on Fields? Even if another team matches the Knicks' offer sheet, they have Early Bird Rights on him, which sets the $5 million ceiling. (In comparison, Lin has Non-Bird Rights rights, which is why the Knicks need to use the mid-level exception to keep him.) However, if Lin and Fields re-sign for $3 and $5 million, respectively, the Knicks won't be constrained by the hard cap (based on the lower mid-level exception). They can re-sign Fields, secure veteran free agents and make trades to bring in someone who's more expensive. In other words, they can go above the apron. But, again, it all comes back to that $5 million for Fields, and some insiders just don't see the value there. One source familiar with Fields' situation said, "I doubt Landry's worth $5 million, but you never know. When teams try to sign restricted free agents, they sometimes have to over-pay just in order to make the other team let him go. So I could see Landry getting a bigger deal because of that -- not so much because he's worth that much right now as a basketball player, but because he can walk." As for the length of Fields' contract, it could be the same as Lin's. Also like Lin, because Fields is a restricted free agent, he and the Knicks could agree to an offer sheet even before other teams bid for his services. In addition, the Knicks can match any salary number because of the Gilbert Arenas provision. By the way, if you're wondering if the $5 million maximum for Fields can be used for anyone else (like Nash), it can't because of the Early Bird Rights provision. So, again, only the mid-level exception can be used for Lin, Nash or Dragic -- the three most popular picks at starting point guard heading into the summer. 簡述: 如果尼克花5M的MLE在林,尼克就只剩下9M,尼克會想花5M在LF身上嗎? 跟林一樣的 是LF也是限制球員,所以尼克可以先跟他談好條件,這樣也避免跟其他隊競爭。尼克如果用 5M簽他,考量的可能是之後可以用來當交易的籌碼,其他隊最高就用5M競價,瞄準的是尼克 會放手,當然也是要某支隊伍願意出這價碼。簡而言之,尼克可以match但是LF的薪水還是 會算在薪資空間中。 IMAN SHUMPERT If Shumpert was going to be out until June 30 of next year (based on a doctor's certification), the Knicks could apply for a disabled player exception, which would mean they could sign someone to replace the rookie at his salary. But Shumpert will likely be back on the court in December or January. Keep in mind, however, that if the Knicks were hard-capped (based on the apron), they couldn't use that kind of exception. 簡述: 如果Shump在明年六月底後才能回來,尼克就可以用disabled player exception 簽跟Shump同價碼的人來代替他。但目前看來Shump會在12月或1月回來,而且這個exception 如果尼克已經hard-capped了,就不能用了。 BI-ANNUAL EXCEPTION The Knicks have a bi-annual exception of $1.98 million, which could be used for Novak, who's an unrestricted free agent. (However, he'll likely demand more because he emerged as the league's best 3-point shooter.) Even if the team re-signs Lin to $3 million or higher, and the $74 million apron becomes a hard cap for them, they'd still have the bi-annual exception. But then they definitely can't go above the apron. Keep in mind that if they spend their bi-annual exception first, they would be capped at the apron -- just like they would if they spent $3 million or more with their mid-level exception. 簡述: BA exception跟MLE是同樣的運作狀況,只要用了全額,隊伍就不能超過apron, 全額MLE跟BAE可以一起使用,但是重點就是不能超過apron。目前最有可能的對象就是 Novak了。 PREDICTED NUMBERS Currently, the Knicks are about $6 million above the salary cap, which means they're about $9 million under the apron. If Smith opts out and the Knicks don't re-sign him, they'll be about $11.5 million under the apron. If they re-sign Lin for about $5 million, they'll be about $7.5 million under the apron, which would then create the hard cap. Then, if Fields re-signs for about $5 million as well, the team will only have about $3 million under the apron to spend on three players. Think about that. About $3 million, three players. Veteran minimum's deals could suck that right up. That mid-level exception is more critical than you ever thought. From the season to the offseason, Lin still remains right at the top of the Knicks' discussion. If you're a fan of the team, you should be rooting for him to sign for $3 million or less. 簡述: 目前尼克超過cap 6M,意謂著他們離apron只剩 9M。如果JR離開,那就剩11.5M。 如果林拿5M,最後他們就剩7.5M。如果LF也拿5M,那就剩不到3M,隨便一個老鳥就會把他 吃光。結論: 如果你是尼克粉,那就期待林願意拿3M吧。 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 心得: 所以林的狀況看起來就是要不要罷了。JR的情況比較像是如果有明顯勝出的deal, 他就會離開 (我不曉得他之前幾近破產?),LF的狀況應該是要看尼克怎麼評量他的價值, 比較多的人看到的是他從Melo來之後就一蹶不振,而尼克會簽他照這樣看來要嘛就是價格 OK,要嘛就是要拿他當籌碼,但是以球員的角度,為求自己的保障,說不定換個球隊會比 較好? (希望我沒有翻錯...) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 64.30.87.135

05/15 07:07, , 1F
LIN板有一篇新的專業薪資合約文,不過只講LIN的部分
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05/15 07:08, , 2F
這篇我剛也概略看完了,我覺得作者有點奇怪,似乎想要LIN拿
05/15 07:08, 2F

05/15 07:08, , 3F
3M,LF拿5M的感覺?他沒有建議LF拿5M,卻一直要LIN拿3M...
05/15 07:08, 3F

05/15 07:09, , 4F
他沒有建議LF拿3M
05/15 07:09, 4F

05/15 07:11, , 5F
AMAR2200萬實在太高了 他一個人可以簽3個不錯球員了
05/15 07:11, 5F

05/15 07:11, , 6F
大概因為之前投票LF票數頗高,他還特地寫了一篇文分析..
05/15 07:11, 6F

05/15 07:15, , 7F
看來賽季結束後還有很多尼克人生要演...
05/15 07:15, 7F

05/15 08:09, , 8F
所以這是尼克粉寫的嗎?XDDDD 要給其他喊著要給LIN 5M的球
05/15 08:09, 8F

05/15 08:11, , 9F
迷記者看的?! XDD 但只能說我愛的是這些球員XDDD
05/15 08:11, 9F

05/15 08:19, , 10F
喔不 這是來自ESPN~
05/15 08:19, 10F

05/15 08:23, , 11F
喔喔 謝謝原PO 剛點進去看到了作者名字,是我有FOLLOW的一
05/15 08:23, 11F

05/15 08:24, , 12F
兩個人都拿5M是很正常的推論,Lin的是中產,Fields是早鳥權
05/15 08:24, 12F

05/15 08:24, , 13F
個記者耶XDD 他確實都報導尼克比較多XDD
05/15 08:24, 13F

05/15 08:26, , 14F
"理論上"不可能先談好約不給其它隊報價就簽約..
05/15 08:26, 14F

05/15 08:27, , 15F
這樣還叫做"非受限自由球員"嗎?尤其Lin各隊都在看
05/15 08:27, 15F

05/15 08:27, , 16F
尼克不要亂搞而因小失大..到時候被連拔5年選秀權
05/15 08:27, 16F

05/15 08:28, , 17F
抱歉上面是"受限自由球員"
05/15 08:28, 17F

05/15 08:30, , 18F
受限制自由球員就是,別隊如果開給該球員一份薪水
05/15 08:30, 18F

05/15 08:30, , 19F
母球隊有權利選擇跟進該報價
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05/15 08:31, , 20F
有興趣的話你們應該去NBAGM板看一下
05/15 08:31, 20F

05/15 08:31, , 21F
別隊一定會在7月1日開市時就開價的,不可能讓尼克輕鬆簽
05/15 08:31, 21F

05/15 08:39, , 22F
`不跟進的話 如果球員還是想選尼克也是可以吧
05/15 08:39, 22F

05/15 08:39, , 23F
如果可以的話 那這篇應該就是私下先談好條件 然後尼克不跟
05/15 08:39, 23F

05/15 08:39, , 24F
讓LIN跟FIELDS最後還是選尼克 看起來是這樣子0.0
05/15 08:39, 24F

05/15 08:44, , 25F
這樣事情就大條了,會被球員工會告,聯盟也會調查..
05/15 08:44, 25F

05/15 08:44, , 26F
之前Joe Smith的密約事件,一次被拔五年選秀權
05/15 08:44, 26F

05/15 08:51, , 27F
話說下面的留言頗有趣的 都在問說為甚麼這麼堅持要給FIELDS
05/15 08:51, 27F

05/15 08:51, , 28F
500萬XDD
05/15 08:51, 28F

05/15 08:53, , 29F
給Fields 500萬不是什麼奇怪的事,不論他在五燈體系下值不值
05/15 08:53, 29F

05/15 08:53, , 30F
得,反正錢是老闆在付的..不太認為給他300或500有影響到薪資
05/15 08:53, 30F

05/15 08:53, , 31F
空間
05/15 08:53, 31F

05/15 08:54, , 32F
但球員應該可以選擇錢少的尼克吧...嗎? 我是說如果就是不想離
05/15 08:54, 32F

05/15 08:54, , 33F
所以早鳥權的薪資可以不佔薪資空間的意思嗎?
05/15 08:54, 33F

05/15 08:54, , 34F
開之類的
05/15 08:54, 34F

05/15 08:54, , 35F
不是奇怪不奇怪問題 而是美國鄉民認為他根本不值那個價0.0
05/15 08:54, 35F

05/15 08:55, , 36F
當初看到覺得最後一段怪怪的 JR走 剩11.5M 林拿5M 剩7.5M?
05/15 08:55, 36F

05/15 08:55, , 37F
照另外一篇說工會在抗議要給LIN早鳥權的說法來看
05/15 08:55, 37F

05/15 08:55, , 38F
這就是我不懂的地方,由文章看起來,就是LF那段,如果有早鳥
05/15 08:55, 38F

05/15 08:56, , 39F
似乎如果有早鳥就可以不管未來先弄下LIN跟FIELDS然後有中產
05/15 08:56, 39F
還有 88 則推文
05/15 10:40, , 128F
LIN的中產的意思吧?!XD
05/15 10:40, 128F

05/15 10:43, , 129F
也就是老闆要給LF 5M 也不是問題,應該是這樣吧?!XD
05/15 10:43, 129F

05/15 11:26, , 130F
樓上完全正解XD
05/15 11:26, 130F

05/15 11:31, , 131F
XDDDD 不過LF不到1M也太令人感傷了吧
05/15 11:31, 131F

05/15 13:32, , 132F
基本這篇應該算是拉基文,沒什麼必要follow,主要就在講
05/15 13:32, 132F

05/15 13:33, , 133F
尼克如果用了全額中產或是雙年條款,它們的薪資帽就會被
05/15 13:33, 133F

05/15 13:34, , 134F
定死(74m),季中如果出了什麼有價值的球員他們就沒辦法去
05/15 13:34, 134F

05/15 13:35, , 135F
追了 一個已經有三巨頭的球隊,還想要能保有一個有彈性的
05/15 13:35, 135F

05/15 13:36, , 136F
薪資帽,真的太…太癡心妄想了啦~
05/15 13:36, 136F

05/15 13:38, , 137F
就是他們說如果你是尼克迷的話,應該"道德勸說"林簽一份
05/15 13:38, 137F

05/15 13:40, , 138F
起薪小於3m的合約 為什麼不去道德勸說其他的大頭降點薪水
05/15 13:40, 138F

05/15 13:40, , 139F
嚴格來講是2.5巨頭 ╮(╯◇╰)╭
05/15 13:40, 139F

05/15 13:41, , 140F
,即使薪資帽是硬的也能再多簽些有用的人= =
05/15 13:41, 140F

05/15 13:46, , 141F
因為能不能降薪水是個謎XD 道德勸說杜蘭放走一隻巨頭
05/15 13:46, 141F

05/15 13:47, , 142F
還比較有機會補有用的人XD
05/15 13:47, 142F

05/15 13:53, , 143F
如果這樣 哪一隻巨頭最應該被放走呢?
05/15 13:53, 143F

05/15 13:56, , 144F
大家都心知肚明想放掉&能放掉是有一段現實差距的= =
05/15 13:56, 144F

05/15 14:01, , 145F
現實不都是這樣子的,最有價值的都是最想留的...呼
05/15 14:01, 145F

05/15 14:02, , 146F
我覺得這篇文章講得還滿淺顯易懂的啊,針對現狀解釋一下,
05/15 14:02, 146F

05/15 14:03, , 147F
有助於了解,沒必要說到拉基文吧...
05/15 14:03, 147F

05/15 14:06, , 148F
科科...滅火器殺手應該最需要被放走
05/15 14:06, 148F

05/15 14:06, , 149F
看有沒有辦法讓他退休吧
05/15 14:06, 149F

05/15 14:12, , 150F
高薪的約太大 但為什麼是底薪承擔後果? ="=
05/15 14:12, 150F

05/15 15:26, , 151F
推樓上~ XD
05/15 15:26, 151F

05/15 15:38, , 152F
老鷹和灰熊各有1個pf好物~想要被交易說~=3=
05/15 15:38, 152F

05/15 15:39, , 153F
灰熊那個季後賽最後一場打太差~趁機打劫阿~@@
05/15 15:39, 153F

05/15 15:40, , 154F
他好像15~13而已還可以加一個人耶~@@
05/15 15:40, 154F

05/15 15:42, , 155F
推 wglbsw大說的,老是想要壓抑底薪族想了就氣>"<
05/15 15:42, 155F

05/15 16:18, , 156F
74M限制了500萬中產之外,大家要想想,尼克5800萬中只包含
05/15 16:18, 156F

05/15 16:19, , 157F
了瓜,罵,錢,香,道5位球員,加上林,諾,JR好了,只有8位,但薪
05/15 16:19, 157F

05/15 16:19, , 158F
水可能只剩400萬不到了,這樣一隊12~15人可能只能集菜鳥來
05/15 16:19, 158F

05/15 16:20, , 159F
湊隊了,若要集老將,就集不滿一隊.好像規訂是一定要至少有
05/15 16:20, 159F

05/15 16:21, , 160F
12人(不確定),否則也是會被罰的.
05/15 16:21, 160F

05/15 16:29, , 161F
老將底薪繼續簽...可是這樣一定還是會超過阿= =
05/15 16:29, 161F

05/15 16:30, , 162F
所以應該是壓了LIN的薪資也沒用...因為一定會超過= =
05/15 16:30, 162F

05/15 16:33, , 163F
No,壓林到300萬就可以不管apron了.
05/15 16:33, 163F

05/15 16:34, , 164F
那種事給度蘭煩惱就好了
05/15 16:34, 164F

05/15 19:21, , 165F
所以才說三巨頭一定會拆啊.....最後一年的薪水太可怕了= =
05/15 19:21, 165F

05/15 22:18, , 166F
要拆可能也要等在更下一季... 除非度藍急了0.0
05/15 22:18, 166F

05/16 00:34, , 167F
也不一定會拆,反正凹到最後付豪華稅,最後一年,一次爆到底
05/16 00:34, 167F
文章代碼(AID): #1FiOv_nx (Knicks)
文章代碼(AID): #1FiOv_nx (Knicks)