[外電] Joerger依舊在尋找最佳先發陣容

看板Kings作者 (kings90326)時間7年前 (2017/01/16 23:09), 7年前編輯推噓57(57070)
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People like to do things that will make them successful. If you do something and it doesn’t work then you adjust and try to make it better, and then rinse and repeat. 人們喜歡做那些會讓他們成功的事,如果你做了某些事但沒有產生效果,那麼做出調整並 嘗試讓它變得更好,然後周而復始地做。 For the Sacramento Kings, they’re trying to figure out what the best lineup i s to start the game. You don’t have to start five offensive juggernauts but y ou need to find a balance that makes it easier for everyone involved to thrive . With a new head coach in Dave Joerger, his job is to figure this out. 對於國王隊而言,他們試著找出最好的先發陣容,你不必找五個進攻最好的球員,但你需 要找到一個攻守平衡的陣容讓每個球員都參與其中並打得更好,對於新的總教練Dave Joe rger來說,他的工作是做好這一點。 In total, the Kings have had eleven different starting lineups since the year began and eleven different players have started a game this year. 總結來說,國王隊從開季到目前為止,總共有11套不同的先發陣容,11個不同的球員都打 過先發。 What does that mean? Is that a lot? Well, if you compare that to a team like t he Warriors you see that the Warriors started nine different players this year but only five of them have started more than three games. 這意味著什麼? 太多了嗎? 如果你拿勇士隊來做比較,你會發現勇士隊這季已經有9個不 同球員打過先發,但其中只有5個球員先發超過三場。 In other words, the Warriors have their starters locked up and every now and then somebody misses a start because of an illness or a family emergency or something like that. 換句話說,勇士隊已經確立了先發陣容,除非其中有人遭遇傷病、家庭因素或是諸如此類 的問題而缺陣。 For the Kings, not only have they started eleven different people, but eight d ifferent players have started at least twelve games this year. They’re still trying to figure out what works for them. 對國王隊來說,他們不僅用了11個球員作為先發,其中還有8個球員先發至少12場,他們 還在試圖弄清什麼先發組合才是真正有效果的。 Now, are the Kings the same as the Warriors? God no, but that’s not the point . Do you know the best season the Kings have had since 2006? In 2008, they wen t 38-44. So, as long as the team goes .500 and wins 41 games fans will lose th eir minds with happiness. 現在國王隊和勇士隊一樣嗎? 當然不,但那不是重點,你知道國王從2006年以來最好的賽 季是什麼時候嗎? 在2008年,他們取得33勝44敗,所以只要球隊取得五成勝率及贏得41場 比賽,粉絲就會陷入瘋狂。 We’re 39 games into the season and the only two starters that started in game one that still start now are Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins. That makes sense since they’re clearly the two most talented players on the team. Who else do you go with and why? 我們從開季到現在打了39場比賽,只有Rudy Gay和DeMarcus Cousins持續先發。這是有道 理的,因為他們是球隊最有天賦的兩個球員,還有誰會讓你這麼想? 為什麼? In ten of the first 13 games, the Kings started Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Gay, Cousins and Kosta Koufos. It made sense considering they signed Afflalo in the offseason and Lawson was the only viable point guard on the roster at that time due to the eight- game suspension Darren Collison had received. They went 4-9 in those 13 games and Joerger decided to try something different. 在開季的前十三場比賽,國王隊使用 Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Gay, Cousins 和 Kosta Koufos先發,這是有道理的,考慮到他們在休賽期間簽下Afflalo 和 Lawson 是當 時唯一可用的控衛,因同時間Darren Collison正面臨8場禁賽,他們在13場比賽中打出4 勝9敗,而Joerger 打算開始做不同的嘗試。 Since then, they’ve swapped Afflalo for Ben McLemore, and then swapped McLemo re for Garrett Temple. They went to Matt Barnes when Gay got hurt and they made Collison the starter at point guard for the rest of the season. 從那時起,他們把Afflalo換成Ben McLemore,然後再把McLemore換成Garrett Temple。 當Gay受傷時用Matt Barnes取代先發,然後在剩下的比賽讓Collison成為先發控衛。 The results were mixed but since Collison was added as the full-time starter t he team has gone 12-14. While that doesn’t sound great it’s better than the team has been in years. Add in the fact that he’s the third highest score r on the team and averages the most assists on the team, it looks like the rig ht decision was made to make him the starter. 效果相當混亂,但自從Collison開始全職先發,球隊取得12勝14敗。雖然這聽起來不是很 好,但比國王隊在這季的任何時候都要好。除此之外,他是球隊得分第三高的球員,球隊 中平均最多的助攻,看起來讓他成為先發是正確的決定。 Even better, since Dec. 12, 2016, the Kings are 8-8 beating Memphis, Portland and Utah (playoff teams). In that time frame, Cousins averaged more assists, had a better shooting percentage, 3-point percentage and free throw percentage while only being slightly worse in points and rebounds. 更好的是,從2016年12月12日起,國王取得8勝8敗,其中擊敗了灰熊、拓荒者和爵士隊( 前八強),在那段時間裡,Cousins有更多的助攻、更高的投籃命中率、三分命中率和罰球 命中率,只有得分和籃板稍微差了點。 In that time frame, Collison started all 12 games, Cousins started 15 games, K oufos started 12 games, McLemore started 11 games and Barnes started eight gam es. Add in some Tolliver starts, and the team has seen some progress. 在那段時間裡,Collison先發了12場比賽,Cousins 先發了15場比賽,Koufos先發了12場 比賽,McLemore 先發了11場比賽,Barnes先發了8場比賽,並開始讓Tolliver打先發,球 隊看來已經取得了一些進展。 Oddly enough, the only player who has a winning record as a starter is McLemor e. The team was 8-6 when he started, but he averaged the least amount of minut es from guards in those 14 games (17.4 minutes) and didn’t even average six p oints per game. 奇怪的是,陣中唯一勝場數多過敗場的先發球員是McLemore,當他先發時,球隊是8勝6敗 ,但這14場比賽裡,他的出場時間是後衛中最少的(17.6分鐘),平均得分不到6分。 I threw a lot of numbers at you but what does it all mean? Well, it looks like Collison is a good starter for the team. He’s not Stephen Curry or Russell W estbrook, but he’s done a good job for them so far and the team is competitiv e. 我丟了很多數字,但這代表什麼意思? 好吧,Collison看起來對球隊而言是很好的先發球 員,他不是Stephen Curry或Russell Westbrook,但他做得很好,球隊也很有競爭力。 Cousins is doing All-Star level things and Garrett Temple has been one of the most unsung players on the team both offensively and defensively. Cousins在做全明星級別的事, Garrett Temple一直默默地做好進攻和防守。 Maybe the team trades 80 percent of these players by next year, but right now the duo of Collison and Cousins seems to be doing a good job so far and with an eight game road trip coming up, they need to know who to trust going forwar d, and it looks like maybe they’re starting to figure it out. 也許這些球員在明年有80%會被交易,但目前為止Collison和Cousins看起來做得很好,隨 之而來的客場八連戰,他們需要知道未來可以相信誰,可能他們開始明白了。 資料來源 http://tinyurl.com/hdwe4kj 心得 1. Joerger還沒找到最佳的先發組合,不斷地變換先發陣容,球員也會無所適從,Malone 已經證明Cousins, Gay, McLemore, Collison可以成為全聯盟最有效率的先發組合,但Jo erger顯然有自己的想法。 2. Collison應該算是假控衛,印象中大部分時間都是Lawson在控球。 3. Joerger需要明白球隊缺乏什麼,該如何讓球隊進步,而不是一直在原地踏步,每場比 賽都面臨相同的問題:籃板無法鞏固、外線防守無力,外線命中率不佳。 4. 如果不想用新人,就尋求交易,不要落的兩頭空,既保不了戰績,又讓新人待的不開 心,最後也是走人。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.230.200.225 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kings/M.1484579346.A.113.html

01/16 23:20, , 1F
只說第一點 馬龍能把那四個組合成不錯的結果
01/16 23:20, 1F

01/16 23:21, , 2F
但野鴿的戰術跟打法是不一樣的 四個組合再一起就不一定好
01/16 23:21, 2F

01/16 23:35, , 3F
加上第一點後來經歷烤餅+囧卡 不能再懷念MM時期了
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01/16 23:37, , 4F
國王最慘的一點就是每當換一個教練 那個房子幾乎全拆
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01/16 23:38, , 5F
到現在還再重新蓋基底
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01/16 23:56, , 6F
推 MM當年能用的就這些人 二哥今年同位置的人塞太多
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01/16 23:56, , 7F
調度上真的比較難 老將光調適的時間都沒有 根本沒時間練
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01/16 23:56, , 8F
新人 當初簽滿滿想說揮有交易 結果老狄撐到現在洞一樣在
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01/16 23:56, , 9F
那 要不是泰勞跟拖你福稍微頂上滅火 這季戰績可能還更慘
01/16 23:56, 9F
※ 編輯: yhes916103 (36.230.200.225), 01/17/2017 00:49:41

01/17 00:49, , 10F
說難聽點就是管理層一直簽不到穩定的控衛 好多年了
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01/17 00:55, , 11F
去年豆子除了防守偷懶我覺得還不錯阿XD 看看WCS沒人餵球
01/17 00:55, 11F

01/17 00:55, , 12F
後真的很邊緣
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01/17 05:27, , 13F
只說第一點 很明顯啊 少了JT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01/17 05:27, 13F

01/17 05:32, , 14F
說真的 第一點是真的挺耐人尋味的 但這幾場的先發
01/17 05:32, 14F

01/17 05:33, , 15F
已經是球迷寄望很久的組合了 DC換Lawson不會有多大變化
01/17 05:33, 15F

01/17 06:31, , 16F
其實我不是很能同意原文的論點
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01/17 06:32, , 17F
國王在12月後段戰績提升 是因為替補發威
01/17 06:32, 17F

01/17 06:33, , 18F
我應該算是很挺Ben了吧? 那段期間Ben的表現 我實在不認
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01/17 06:33, , 19F
為會贏球和他有什麼正相關
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01/17 06:35, , 20F
是該交易做出一些取捨了 現有陣容再怎麼換也是這樣而已
01/17 06:35, 20F

01/17 07:48, , 21F
Ben跟贏球好像真的沒關係,他就是表現不好QQ
01/17 07:48, 21F

01/17 09:10, , 22F
說實話我們幾乎從BB之後就沒有好的控衛了
01/17 09:10, 22F

01/17 09:30, , 23F
乾脆趁表弟剛續約,再重建一次好了.....
01/17 09:30, 23F

01/17 09:42, , 24F
最近的比賽內容看不出來有打季後賽的實力,就算勉強
01/17 09:42, 24F

01/17 09:42, , 25F
進老八也是被慘電,老迪今年的選秀現在看來像空氣,
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01/17 09:44, , 26F
看要重建抽選秀,還是要把二哥不用的人包一包,也許
01/17 09:44, 26F

01/17 09:44, , 27F
再補個Gay...拿去換個好的後衛比較有機會
01/17 09:44, 27F

01/17 09:48, , 28F
如果七六人進季後賽,我王前十順位,這樣七六人能交換嗎
01/17 09:48, 28F

01/17 09:50, , 29F
事實上,原文也不是說Ben的表現提升了國王戰績
01/17 09:50, 29F

01/17 09:51, , 30F
不過讓我意外的是作者居然觀察的出這種數據
01/17 09:51, 30F

01/17 09:54, , 31F
現在陣中太多板凳以上先發實力不足的球員,所以怎麼
01/17 09:54, 31F

01/17 09:54, , 32F
換都打不好
01/17 09:54, 32F

01/17 10:15, , 33F
不過我們的球員已經很多樣化了,教練也應該知道接下來
01/17 10:15, 33F

01/17 10:15, , 34F
要找什麼樣的球員來補強陣容
01/17 10:15, 34F

01/17 10:32, , 35F
防守不好耶
01/17 10:32, 35F

01/17 10:33, , 36F
我個人認為老闆的預算以及總管的建隊想法很重要。
01/17 10:33, 36F

01/17 10:34, , 37F
進攻方面,天賦不是問題,防守要加強
01/17 10:34, 37F

01/17 10:35, , 38F
不能場場靠表弟開無雙來贏
01/17 10:35, 38F
還有 49 則推文
01/18 13:22, , 88F
除了國王應該也沒人會出主控價了 甲甲+DC 衝這兩支
01/18 13:22, 88F

01/18 13:33, , 89F
其實可以甲甲打4號 但球權明顯不夠
01/18 13:33, 89F

01/18 15:09, , 90F
我還真想不到我們出哪包換的到Rubio,如果有灰狼gm裸照就
01/18 15:09, 90F

01/18 15:09, , 91F
另當別論了...
01/18 15:09, 91F

01/18 15:20, , 92F
換到至少外線防守比較好了。
01/18 15:20, 92F

01/18 15:51, , 93F
換到的唯一機會就是沒有人願意出比國王更好的包裹...
01/18 15:51, 93F

01/18 16:17, , 94F
灰狼想多要WCS國王不想出......,弄到現在我都不知道WCS是
01/18 16:17, 94F

01/18 16:18, , 95F
DC+WCS <-> Rubio
01/18 16:18, 95F

01/18 16:18, , 96F
該留還是該賣了,天賦上丟了很可惜,要留教練又不信任
01/18 16:18, 96F

01/18 16:20, , 97F
我們的陣容優缺點跟灰狼很像,這種球隊要交易本來就很難
01/18 16:20, 97F

01/18 16:48, , 98F
蠻不捨WCS, 可以給灰狼怕怕雞嗎XDDD一輪10順位,前
01/18 16:48, 98F

01/18 16:48, , 99F
途無量~~
01/18 16:48, 99F

01/18 17:33, , 100F
寂寞在中國沒人可以壓迫他,但在NBA是一狗票
01/18 17:33, 100F

01/18 17:36, , 101F
設法弄抓雞過來,明年自由市場簽回TE,應該比較好
01/18 17:36, 101F

01/18 17:37, , 102F
大後年還有John Wall約到期
01/18 17:37, 102F

01/18 17:48, , 103F
TE又玻璃又沒三分能力,看不懂簽他回來幹嘛
01/18 17:48, 103F

01/18 17:49, , 104F
Rubio也差不多,比軟豆得分能力還弱,換他沒什麼用
01/18 17:49, 104F

01/18 17:51, , 105F
TE應該不肯回來吧 當初那麼無情的甩了現在想要求復合...
01/18 17:51, 105F

01/18 17:51, , 106F
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01/18 18:35, , 107F
TE是真的頗痛 常準備漸入佳境時就掛傷 盧一球就優缺明
01/18 18:35, 107F

01/18 18:35, , 108F
01/18 18:35, 108F

01/18 18:37, , 109F
TE當初因為選了檸檬把他交易走的樣子,結果檸檬超不爭氣
01/18 18:37, 109F

01/18 19:11, , 110F
怕怕雞 XDDD
01/18 19:11, 110F

01/18 23:45, , 111F
TE除了玻璃以外其實適合現在的國王,第一外線防守好
01/18 23:45, 111F

01/18 23:45, , 112F
,第二教練要的pg組織能力不需要頂級,第三其實TE外
01/18 23:45, 112F

01/18 23:45, , 113F
線已經有進步,雖然不是射手等級但也不差,最後TE
01/18 23:45, 113F

01/18 23:45, , 114F
的突破能力是國王隊目前很欠缺的,我實在是受夠表
01/18 23:45, 114F

01/18 23:45, , 115F
弟持球從外線切入
01/18 23:45, 115F

01/19 00:57, , 116F
TE跟bogdan搭應該不錯,後場身材吃香,可惜TE現在跟km
01/19 00:57, 116F

01/19 00:57, , 117F
差不多每年會痛個20-30場 QQ
01/19 00:57, 117F

01/19 10:52, , 118F
TE可怕的是突破能力,還有他的身材是對手後衛的噩夢
01/19 10:52, 118F

01/19 10:56, , 119F
抓雞或盧小比打PG,TE打SG,我王後場的洞之少補起來
01/19 10:56, 119F

01/19 11:07, , 120F
76人又贏了,跟我王只差兩場勝差
01/19 11:07, 120F

01/19 11:09, , 121F
連76都硬起來 胖虎加油好嗎
01/19 11:09, 121F

01/19 11:40, , 122F
這樣看來那場延賽蠻傷的,近況這麼好去打七六又搞到三
01/19 11:40, 122F

01/19 11:40, , 123F
個 b2b
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01/19 12:03, , 124F
水鳥也追上來了
01/19 12:03, 124F

01/19 12:15, , 125F
怎都沒討論溜馬比賽,近況太差大家都失去熱情了,難得
01/19 12:15, 125F

01/19 12:15, , 126F
沒有落後領先的說
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01/19 13:52, , 127F
戰績若輸76人,選秀順位再好都沒用
01/19 13:52, 127F
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