轉 [敵我] 快艇的防守沒有想像中的這麼爛

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※ [本文轉錄自 LaClippers 看板 #1IZlNGeG ] 作者: KobeinCloud (雲中鼻) 看板: LaClippers 標題: [外電] 快艇的防守沒有想像中的這麼爛 時間: Fri Nov 22 14:12:28 2013 The Clipper's D isn't as bad as you think 快艇的防守沒有想像中的那麼爛 原文 http://ppt.cc/jKGF By Kevin Arnovitz The Clippers' defense can look bad -- really bad. But it's through no fault of the starting unit. 快艇的防守看起來很爛,超爛der。但是他們的先發一點都不爛。 Coming into the season, the Los Angeles Clippers subscribed to the belief that an elite defense can spring from a smart defensive system. This is a long-standing debate in the NBA, one that’s gotten more interesting since defenses really started to systematize in the mid-1990s. Defensive stoppers are nice, but only a handful of players big and small can change the game when the other team has the ball. A stopper is a luxury, and if you’re not in possession of at least one, you better come up with a strategic way to defend the half court. Doc Rivers has a way, one crafted and refined during the Boston Celtics’ recent championship era. The Celtics routinely led the league in defense, and in the process they provided further evidence that, in the NBA, systems matter. Deploy a tight one and good defenders can become great ones; the identity of your wing defenders won’t necessarily matter. The Clippers figured to benefit from Rivers’ implementation of this system. They finished a respectable ninth in defensive efficiency last season, and it was reasonable to believe Doc's system would make them better -- and certainly no worse. 這個球季快艇找來了近年打造超賽(Celtics)強權的教頭Doc Rivers操刀,打算打造堅強 的防守系統。 防守系統的概念始於90年代中期,然後一直被大家討論到現在。當然隊上有個大鎖是最好 的,但是球場上球員有的高有的壯有的快,要找個每個人都守得住的多功能大鎖未免太過 奢侈。更不要提當你連一把大鎖都沒有時,你得想個方法搞定對方的半場進攻。一個好的 系統能讓你把小鎖當大鎖,也讓側翼的大鎖變得沒那麼必要。 快艇看中了Rivers的防守系統而把他找來,上個球季他們防守還算不錯,防守效率排名全 聯盟第九。所以我們有理由相信Rivers的系統會讓他們更好,當然,絕對不會更爛。 Installing a complicated system takes time, though, especially for a unit with two new starting wings and a retooled second unit. But for even the most patient, the early returns haven’t been promising for the Clippers, who rank 27th overall in defensive efficiency. That’s their high-water mark for the season thanks to a solid effort in a 102-98 win at Minnesota on Wednesday night, only one of two times in 12 games this season that the Clippers have held their opponent to less than a point per possession. For a frame of reference, the Pacers’ No. 1-ranked defense has allowed more than a point per possession in only one game so far -- and barely. 然而,建立複雜的防守系統是需要時間的,尤其是側翼的兩人都是新同學,替補也來了不 少新同學。但是快艇現在排名27的防守效率,再有耐性也會覺得這到底是三小?對了,這 樣的防守效率還是在以102比98打贏對灰狼的硬仗後的本季新高。在開季的前12場比賽中 ,有其中一半讓對手每回合平均超過1分。反觀全聯盟第一防守強隊溜馬,只有一場比賽 讓對手每回合平均超過1分。 Those ugly numbers suggest that if you tuned in to watch the Clippers, you’d get a whiff of that rotten defense the second the ball was tipped. J.J. Redick and Jared Dudley must be the Belmonte and Joselito of NBA wing defenders, with Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan playing the role of Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee. After all, a team can’t give up 105.3 points per 100 possessions unless their starters are utterly clueless, right? 你應該會這樣解讀:快艇是沒在防守的。側翼的J.J. Redick和Jared Dudley跟吉祥物沒 兩樣,禁區雙寶Blake Griffin和DeAndre Jordan則是像McGee一樣的搞笑賣萌咖。要不是 先發這麼爛,那要怎麼每100回合敗掉105.3分? (McGee:我都受傷了還損我……) That’s the crazy thing about the Clippers -- not only are the starters not terrible, they’re actually very good. The starting lineup of Chris Paul, Redick, Dudley, Griffin and Jordan has played together for almost 40 percent of the team’s total minutes this season. As a unit, the starters surrender only 99.3 points per 100 possessions, which would rank sixth in the NBA. 不可思議的事實是:快艇先發的防守不只不差,還可以算是不錯。Chris Paul, Redick, Dudley, Griffin和Jordan組成的先發陣容有40%的時間同時在場上,當他們同時在場上時 ,快艇每100回合丟掉99.3分,這個數字全聯盟排名第六。 Take one Clippers starter off the floor and the Clippers still give up considerably less than the league average. For instance, the Clippers’ top four performers -- Paul, Redick, Griffin and Jordan -- maintain that 99.3 defensive rating, and they’ve been on the floor for almost exactly one-half the action this season. When those four guys aren’t on the floor, that rating drops to 111.3 -- beyond awful, like 2005-06 Sonics, worst-of-all-time awful. 一個先發下場時,快艇的防守效率仍然優於聯盟平均。如果只看Paul, Redick, Griffin 和 Jordan,數據維持在99.3,而他們四人搭上一個替補的時間也有一節左右。然而,當 他們同時下去休息時,這個數字暴增到111.3,簡直爛透了。直追NBA史上的爛中之爛, 05-06的超音速。 Put two Clippers starters on the bench, and the team defense is still strong -- if Redick is one of the three remaining starters on the court. So long as a lineup has a strong, starter-heavy DNA, the Clippers are essentially OK. 當兩個先發下場時,防守還算是不錯,即使Redick是留在場上的那三個之一,防守也還算 可以。 In other words, if you want to experience a full frontal view of the Clippers ’ unsightly defense, you’ll generally have to wait until the beginning of the second quarter or the end of the third quarter. That’s when the team defense hemorrhages: 換句話說,如果你想欣賞快艇的破爛防守,那你得等到差不多第二節時,還有第三節後段 。來看看他們是怎麼大失血吧。 When Byron Mullens is on the floor, the Clippers are 18.2 points worse defensively. His defensive rating of 120.7 is far and away the worse this season for any player who sees the court regularly, with Jordan Hamilton a very distant second at 116.4. In fact, even though Mullens plays only 20 percent of the Clippers’ minutes, if he’s on the bench at a given moment, the team goes from a 27th-ranked defense to one that would be ranked 17th, just behind the Rockets. It’s virtually unheard of for a fringe rotation player to have such an adverse effect on a team’s overall defensive numbers. Byron Mullens在場上時,快艇的防守效率直接扣18.2分。他的defensive rating是120.7 ,整個NBA罕見的爛(Jordan Hamilton是116.4)。即使Mullens只有20%的時間在場上,他 還是把整隊的防守效率從聯盟第17拖到了27,只比火箭隊好一點點。還沒聽過有什麼角色 球員能對球隊防守數據產生如此大的「效用」。 The Clippers desperately miss Eric Bledsoe, whose bench units last season paced the team defensively. The Clippers forced a turnover on more than one-sixth of the possessions when Bledsoe was on the floor while giving up only 97.5 points per 100 possessions. The “Tribe Called Bench” unit spearheaded by Bledsoe was one of the league’s stingiest, but this season, the gnats off the bench have been replaced by the nots. 快艇應該很想念Eric Bledsoe去年在板凳給予球隊的防守能量,當Bledsoe在場上時,快 艇的防守效率是97.5,而且每六回合可以造成對方一次失誤。Bledsoe帶領的板凳軍團有 著聯盟數一數二的防守,但是這個球季他去太陽了,沒有會防守的人頂上他的位子。 It’s early in the season, but among the 10 most commonly used lineups by the Clippers, five would qualify as the league’s worst defense. Four of those five units are led by a backcourt of Darren Collison and Jamal Crawford. 球季才剛開始,但是快艇的10人輪值中,有其中5個防守是聯盟數一數二的爛,其中4個是 Darren Collison and Jamal Crawford為首的板凳軍團。 Coming into the season, Rivers knew he’d be without the kind of legitimate ball-pressuring point guard who presides as the head of the snake of his defensive system -- a Rajon Rondo, Avery Bradley or Bledsoe. Rivers also knew that he wouldn’t have the services of a circa 2008 Kevin Garnett or Kendrick Perkins, nor would the Clippers have a sinewy wing defender like James Posey or Tony Allen at their disposal. Rivers本季來到快艇時就知道他沒有Rajon Rondo、Avery Bradley或是Bledsoe來運轉他 的防守系統,他也知道快艇沒有08年的Kevin Garnett或Kendrick Perkins。當然,快艇 也沒有James Posey或是Tony Allen這類的側翼大鎖。 At some point, Rivers will have to decide whether a team with championship aspirations can afford to give Mullens meaningful minutes. Rivers will also have to monitor Collison and Crawford -- or figure out who else on the roster can best mitigate their weaknesses. The Clippers should probably dig through the bargain bin to see if there’s a big man on the market who can give them 8 to 10 minutes a night of defensive relief, because the points are there. One such big man happens to reside about a 20-minute drive from their practice facility and has played in Rivers’ system before. 在某些方面來說,Rivers如果要衝擊冠軍,那麼他得考量如何運用Mullens, Collison和 Crawford,以及該讓誰來補上他們的防守大洞。他們也該從自由市場上搞來個每場比賽能 上場10分鐘左右的防守長人。 But for all the defensive shortcomings of the Clippers’ roster, the performance of those who play the big minutes has been at least average, and often very good. We saw it during the first quarter in Minneapolis on Wednesday night against a Wolves team that features two potent big men who force defenses into tricky big-to-big rotations. Griffin and Jordan were well-synced, while Paul capably kept Ricky Rubio pinned against the sideline for much of the night coming off pick-and-rolls. The wings performed admirably, if a little foul-happy. Redick chased Kevin Martin while Dudley was an ace in transition while he was on the floor. 快艇的先發防守通常還算不錯,在上一場對灰狼的比賽中可以看出,Griffin和Jordan這 組長人在輪轉上做的不錯,Paul也在後場鎖住Ricky Rubio,側翼的Redick和Dudley也守 得可圈可點。 An NBA team is a complex organism, and the sum of its overall record is the aggregate performances of different units and combinations. The Clippers’ No. 27 defensive ranking doesn’t lie, but it also requires some digging because context matters in basketball. 一支球隊是十幾個人組成的有機體,快艇接近墊底的防守數據就擺在那,但是深入分析之 後可以看出更多的事情。 簡單整理:先發防守不錯 + 替補防守超超超爛 = 快艇防守超爛 覺得今年BG和DJ在攻防兩端都有成長 不過防守端還是有進步空間(經驗?) 禁區的防守還是如同面紙一般一直被撕開 大家覺得這篇講得如何?Mullens在防守端是真的如此不堪嗎 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.35.175.71 ※ 編輯: KobeinCloud 來自: 114.35.175.71 (11/22 14:36)

11/22 15:45, , 1F
其實Coach Nick也是說一樣的事情,先發沒問題,板凳有大
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問題,尤其是板凳的禁區,爛到爆炸,一定要再找人
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11/22 15:51, , 3F
看比賽有感,替補上場時如果手感不順通常就會被防守拖
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垮開始落後or被追分
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除了布雷獸之外,少了屠夫跟Odom真的有差
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最後感謝翻譯,超生動der~
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11/22 17:45, , 7F
看Odom能不能找回來吧 他這種工作做的還不錯 反正得分不看他
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11/22 17:51, , 8F
大大我是kings的板主 這篇分析文可以借我轉回kings
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11/22 17:52, , 9F
討論嗎? 我們接下來要跟你們進行二連戰
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想幫板上增加一些議題
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11/22 17:54, , 11F
好的請轉o_O
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11/22 18:11, , 12F
Tks! 如果國王板的討論有對貴板球員不中肯的
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也請歡迎指正,大家多互相交流吧!:)
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