[外絮] How good is Jeremy Lin really?

看板Jeremy_Lin作者 (我討厭壞物)時間12年前 (2013/11/14 22:28), 編輯推噓63(63推 0噓 31→)
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國外這一串討論文裡面的 一個網友hysan 觀點實在是太棒了 值得翻譯 http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qae7n/how_good_is_jeremy_lin_really/ 不過對岸已經有人翻譯了 XD 林書豪吧 http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2702590899 原文(後面接翻譯) The problem with Lin so far is that his career has been mired by having to adjust to different coaches and to playing seemingly every type of PG style imaginable. In Golden State, his was told to work on his shooting and not to drive. Given the lack of minutes, it might be good advice but it prevented him from developing his best skill (which is why it took until now for him to learn to use his left, which he has done very well this season). Basically, they wanted him to be a traditional PG that doesn't score so they can slot him in next to Monta or Curry. In NY, he got to be an attacking PnR PG under D'Antoni. Then under Woodson, he became more of a tempo pusher / setup PG. Then last year in Houston, he was set to be a PnR PG again until they signed Harden. Then they turned him into an offball PG (think any PG in Phil Jackson's Triangle Offense except in a run & gun system - makes no sense). Finally this year, they decided at the END of the summer to tell him that he'd be playing as a 6th man scoring PG (think Jarett Jack but far far less usage rate). thus marginalizing his opportunities to be a playmaker. In his career, that means he has had to adapt and play to 5 different PG playing styles. Of which, 4 of the style changes happened in under 2 years (one summer of which was spent recovering from injury). And of which, only one style really fits him as an inexperienced player. As a 3rd year pro, I can't think of any player in any position that has had to deal with as much change as Lin. So it is expected in my opinion that Lin should not be a good decision maker at this point. To rant a bit, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to judge how good Lin is compared to any other PG right now because McHale hasn't decided how to use Lin. We don't know what kind of PG Lin is/can/should be. So it is unfair to compare him to other players who know their roles. I know people are annoyed at McHale for not making Lin the primary playmaker, but I personally am pissed at him for dumping Lin to 6th man and changing his role AT THE LAST SECOND. It is a sign of a terrible coach when you cannot decide before training camp what role to give to your "starting" PG. People can say what they want of the D'Antonis, Mike Browns, and Larry Browns of the world. They may not know how to best utilize all of their players but at least they implement a system and force everyone to buy in. Players know what they have to do and they go out and (try to) do it. He was never drafted, so he obviously never got the same franchise investment and opportunities as 1st round picks. Nor was he exactly in one of those grooming and player development programs like the Spurs system with Pop. Heck, the D-League team he was assigned to (Reno Bighorns) was shared by several NBA teams because the Warriors didn't own a D-League team at the time. He's been jerked around so much that he's had to constantly adapt his playstyle and role. I don't know what he'll look like when he hits free agency in 2 years, but he won't reach his potential on the Rockets. His growth as a playmaking pg will be limited since Harden plays point, and McHale wants Lin to play scoring machine off the bench instead of facilitator. Only thing that's certain is that Lin is a hard worker and very coachable and will adjust. He'll probably be traded with Asik, or walk when his contract is up. He won't reach his highest potential on the Rockets bench, just as Harden couldn't reach his potential on OKC's bench (not saying that Lin is near Harden in talent), and just as he would never have had Linsanity if he stayed on the Rockets the first time around or on GSW's bench. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up in 2yrs when he's a free agent again, and what he'll look like. I hope he ends up on a team where he can spread his wings and develop as a playmaking PG instead of being pigeonholed as the off-ball scoring machine off the bench that McHale wants. What a waste of Linsanity playmaking, PnR, and passing skills, if he's only asked to be a scorer off the bench playing off the ball. --------------------------------------------------------- 翻譯 林目前的問題就是他的職業生涯陷入了需要為不同的教練調整，打出你能想像的各種方式 的控球後衛。 在金州勇士，他被指定練習他的投籃而不是運球。在他有限的上場時間裡，也許這是一個 好的建議，但是這阻止了他發展他的最強技能（這也是為什麼他直到現在才學會使用左手 ，這個賽季發揮的很好的地方）。基本上，他們想要他成為一個傳統控衛，不需要得分， 所以他們可以把他和蒙塔或者庫裡組合。 在紐約，他在德安東尼下成為一名進攻型擋拆控衛。然後在伍德森下，他更像是一位節奏 帶領者或是發起進攻型控衛。 然後去年在休斯頓，他被設定成一位擋拆控衛，直到他們簽下哈登。然後他們把他變成無 球控衛（想像所有的那些在菲爾傑克遜三角進攻系統下的控衛，除非是在炮轟系統下，這 說不通）。 最後，今年，他們在夏天結束後告訴他讓他作為一個第六人得分型控衛（想像下Jarett Jack，但是利用率要遠遠比他低），而忽視了他作為組織者的機會。 在他職業生涯，這意味著他需要適應並打出5中不同的控衛類型。其中，4種類型的轉換是 在2年內完成的（中間的夏天還花費了些時間從受傷中恢復）。並且這其中，只有一種方 式是他，作為一個缺乏經驗的球員，真正適合的。作為一個打過3個賽季的職業球員，我 無法想到任何一個位置上的任何一個球員需要處理像林這樣這麼多的類型變化。所以我的 觀點，林目前還不是一個好的決定者，也是可以想像的。 直接點說，任何人目前用林和其他控衛比較都是沒有道理的，因為海爾還沒有決定如何使 用林。我們不知道林會/應該/能夠成為什麼樣的控衛。所以把他和其他那些知道他們角色 的球員比較是不公平的。我知道人們對海爾不把林當成主要組織者感到反感，但是我個人 對他感到憤怒，因為他在最後時刻（註：指的是賽季開始前）改變了林的角色，把林扔到 了第六人位置上。這是一個糟糕的教練的信號，因為你不能在訓練營前決定你的「首發」 控衛的角色。這是一個糟糕的教練的信號，因為你不能在訓練營前決定你的「首發」 控衛的角色。人們說他們想要德安東尼，麥克布朗，拉裡布朗。他們也許不知道如何最大 使用他們所有球員，但是至少他們實施了系統，強迫讓所有人融入。球員們知道他們需要 做什麼，上了場並嘗試去做。 他選秀未被選中，所以他顯然不會得到那些1輪秀同樣的投入和機會。同時他也不在那些 球員發展優化的項目裡，比如像波波下的馬刺系統。天啊，他曾經簽約的發展聯盟球隊 Reno Bighorns也是幾個球隊共同擁有的，因為那時勇士隊沒有自己的發展聯盟球隊。他 被人扯來扯去，需要不停適應自己的打球方式和角色。 我不知道兩年後當他成為自由球員時會怎麼樣，但是他在火箭無法完全開發它的潛能。他 在組織型控衛方面的進步將被局限，因為哈登在組織，並且海爾希望林作為一個替補得分 機器，而不是一個引導者。 唯一確定的是，林非常努力，聽教練的話，願意去適應。他可能和阿西克一起被交易，或 者在合同結束後離開。他在火箭隊板凳上無法開發他的最大潛能，就像哈登無法在雷霆板 凳上開發最大潛能（不是說林在天賦上比哈登強），就像他如果當初依舊待在火箭隊或者 勇士隊的板凳上，他根本不會有Linsanity。 當他2年後成為自由球員會去哪，他會成為什麼樣子，這看起來將會很有趣。我希望他去 到一個能夠讓他充分舒展翅膀，發展他成為一個組織型控衛的球隊，而不是把他鎖在無球 替補得分控衛的籠子裡，就像海爾想的。這真是對Linsanity組織，擋拆，傳球能力的浪 費，如果他僅僅是作為一個替補得分機器，沒有控球權。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.116.180.191
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11/14 22:32, , 1F
推一個~~然後我覺得林現在變得更適合去年體系的球員
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11/14 22:32, , 2F
所以我就說嘛....去找冷笑話說不定拿MVP都不是不可能XD
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11/14 22:33, , 3F
去年有一堆轉移空檔,可惜林的把握性不夠 結果今年他可以輕鬆
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11/14 22:33, , 4F
投進那些球 但結果發現隊友不轉移了xd
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11/14 22:33, , 5F
大推這篇！其實林的適應能力是他最驚人的天賦！
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11/14 22:35, , 6F
大推這篇!真受不了麥黑對他的用法 XXXXXXX 塊陶吧~~~~
11/14 22:35, 6F
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11/14 22:35, , 7F
這篇是紐約球迷寫的
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11/14 22:36, , 8F
應該很多球迷都受不了冰箱對他這種使用方式了
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11/14 22:39, , 9F
個人強烈建議這篇應該貼去總板or隊板給人看看才對...
11/14 22:39, 9F
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11/14 22:39, , 10F
讓一些人明白他們對Lin的要求有多無理
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11/14 22:41, , 11F
說的真好，好想在FB上面分享
11/14 22:41, 11F
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11/14 22:41, , 12F
感謝那些還在關注Lin支持Lin的紐約球迷
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11/14 22:43, , 14F
是也不能怎麼樣~
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11/14 22:44, , 15F
這篇回應的真好
11/14 22:44, 15F
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11/14 22:45, , 16F
推~
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11/14 22:49, , 17F
說出心聲！！！
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11/14 22:52, , 18F
寫得好！
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11/14 22:52, , 19F
這段時間就盡量得分吧 畢竟能得分比較有好合約
11/14 22:52, 19F
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11/14 22:53, , 20F
很多球迷其實感覺都一致: Lin應該當控衛, 還有Lin待在
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11/14 22:53, , 21F
火箭就是浪費天賦和青春
11/14 22:53, 21F
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11/14 22:59, , 22F
不覺得浪費青春 大約拿到了 該磨的技巧也練的差不多了
11/14 22:59, 22F
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11/14 22:59, , 23F
Lin在組織方面的潛力真的一直被忽略
11/14 22:59, 23F
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11/14 23:00, , 24F
當然因為他自身的努力的確進步很多 但他可以更多元才對
11/14 23:00, 24F
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11/14 23:00, , 25F
想想看要是冰箱讓他乖乖打控衛 他還有動力練無球打法嗎
11/14 23:00, 25F
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11/14 23:01, , 26F
換個角度想,每一種技能都學到了.反而會更清楚自己想要什麼
11/14 23:01, 26F
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11/14 23:02, , 27F
不過火箭再這樣糟蹋他 才真的浪費青春
11/14 23:02, 27F
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11/14 23:05, , 28F
有時想想 到火箭可能算是神對lin的考驗吧 磨練總是讓人進步
11/14 23:05, 28F
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11/14 23:06, , 29F
林來瘋展示的組織天份搶來砍掉重練 這是一個正常教練會做的?
11/14 23:06, 29F
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11/14 23:06, , 30F
搞不好他覺得是上帝給他的試煉,讓他變得更強..
11/14 23:06, 30F
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11/14 23:10, , 31F
果然美國也是有人這麼想的
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11/14 23:11, , 32F
不會浪費青春 把外投和防守練出來了兩年後一定聲價十倍
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11/14 23:14, , 33F
有大約 練無球 三分 左手 防守 沒有浪費天賦和青春
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11/14 23:14, , 34F
所以不要再說Lin在火箭隊該怎樣了 換球隊或教練 否則無解
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11/14 23:15, , 35F
火箭已經不是他該待的地方了 鬍子 冰箱 都在殘害他的天賦
11/14 23:15, 35F
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11/14 23:15, , 36F
這篇讚
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11/14 23:15, , 37F
希望林保持健康打個十年就好了
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11/14 23:16, , 38F
甚至是球隊老闆一天把鬍子當一哥 Lin就永遠沒辦法舒展
11/14 23:16, 38F
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11/14 23:17, , 39F
說的更明白 Lin最適合的是當球隊領導者 只是他一直在抗拒
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11/14 23:17, , 40F
每年都進步一點,健康打完...合約到了不怕沒球隊可以打...
11/14 23:17, 40F
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11/14 23:18, , 41F
J-Will球風好看 帶起風潮 讓國王賺三年 隨他發展長處
11/14 23:18, 41F
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11/14 23:18, , 42F
過去剛好養傷、練三分和左手，現在則最好快走
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11/14 23:19, , 43F
再這樣浪費時間下去 他只會變成該長出來的能力沒長
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11/14 23:19, , 44F
三年後被送到灰熊 在灰熊花了三年才改掉缺點
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11/14 23:19, , 45F
不是抗拒當領導者吧,而是尼克有甜瓜,火箭有鬍獸
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11/14 23:19, , 46F
本來就沒他當一哥的空間阿
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11/14 23:20, , 47F
其實看林今天的12助攻,有主導權時就這麼可怕...很強啊.
11/14 23:20, 47F
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11/14 23:22, , 48F
LIN在火箭養傷 修正缺點 一點都沒有浪費青春
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11/14 23:22, , 49F
林老是先挑自己的缺點 需要多一點球迷給的正面評價 推~
11/14 23:22, 49F
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11/14 23:22, , 50F
另外我覺得這篇文章一定程度解釋了Lin失誤偏高的問題
11/14 23:22, 50F
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11/14 23:22, , 51F
球隊一哥跟球場上的領導者不必是同一人 好比馬刺
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11/14 23:24, , 52F
開季前放到第六人是為了團隊 但現在先發問題更大 已經沒有
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11/14 23:24, , 53F
理由不先發了 再放替補就是糟蹋他
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11/14 23:25, , 54F
以林的個性，根本就不用火箭用這種方式壓迫他快速成長。
11/14 23:25, 54F
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11/14 23:26, , 55F
現在很明顯林贏得教練信任了，但是場場45+，快逃喔
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11/14 23:27, , 56F
他搞不好自己都有一連串針對自己缺點的休賽季改進計畫。
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11/14 23:31, , 57F
教練如果真正有信任他，會讓他打最後一擊的，但並沒有
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11/14 23:31, , 58F
冰箱這樣操林不叫信任，是消耗
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11/14 23:33, , 59F
現在的問題不是先發或替補。當替補都操成這樣了．快逃命要緊
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11/14 23:34, , 60F
依林那時的體能，我是暗暗高興不是林領麻繩
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11/14 23:35, , 61F
不管如何，希望能交易啊!!球員、教練都是問題，走為上策
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11/14 23:35, , 62F
消耗+1
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11/14 23:37, , 63F
麥費的信任就是消耗啊!!你沒看主力多操~
11/14 23:37, 63F
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11/14 23:48, , 64F
失誤再高也沒西河高
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11/14 23:52, , 65F
寫得真好...只能祈禱他之後能遇到更好的團隊了...。
11/14 23:52, 65F
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11/14 23:52, , 66F
不覺得冰箱已經信任LIN 現在big3很明顯出了問題 所以
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11/14 23:53, , 67F
不得不用狀況最好的LIN
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11/14 23:54, , 68F
不知道2年後有機會回尼克嗎 肥遯到時應該老了 可退了吧
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11/15 00:02, , 69F
2年變化是很大的 尼克打球天天活在放大鏡下 未必是好事
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11/15 00:03, , 70F
但兩年後LIN還不夠老
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11/15 00:05, , 71F
樓上戳中盲點...
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11/15 00:08, , 72F
這篇寫得真好 球迷的焦慮感就是林被亂養 浪費組織天分
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還有冰箱不是信任他 只是消耗!!!
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11/15 00:08, , 74F
真的...最怕就是黃金時期然後被養壞ORZ
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11/15 00:16, , 75F
回尼克不如去湖人= =
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11/15 00:49, , 76F
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11/15 01:01, , 77F
我也覺得回尼克不如去湖人。至少GM不腦殘，教練是貴人，
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11/15 01:02, , 78F
小老闆雖然也被罵，但很難腦殘得過杜蘭。
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11/15 01:10, , 79F
推這篇
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11/15 03:07, , 80F
其實這還好 我只希望Lin可以健康打球
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11/15 03:08, , 81F
麥黑盡量冰沒關係 獲得麥黑信任場場45+才慘
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11/15 03:16, , 82F
多麼強大的心理素質 lin會成功絕非偶然
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11/15 04:20, , 83F
我也希望他健康打十年就好了
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11/15 06:09, , 84F
這篇球迷觀點說的好 大推!!! 火箭目前是在消耗Lin+1 與其
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被冰箱亂操用 還不如到湖人給冷笑話用 = =
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寫的真好~推
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推~~~
11/15 08:11, 87F
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11/15 09:17, , 88F
很焦慮 但 對Lin很有信心！
11/15 09:17, 88F
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11/15 09:25, , 89F
跟河田雅史一樣在各種位置累積各種能力!
11/15 09:25, 89F
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11/15 09:33, , 90F
不是冰箱就是烤箱～TMD三溫暖也沒這麼爽！凸
11/15 09:33, 90F
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11/15 13:56, , 91F
終於有人翻了！這篇真的寫得很棒！
11/15 13:56, 91F
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11/15 15:31, , 92F
好想念冷笑話TT有有冷笑話又有好隊友的地方嗎嗚嗚
11/15 15:31, 92F
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11/15 15:48, , 93F
請當成設備財產,而不是耗材...
11/15 15:48, 93F
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11/15 17:10, , 94F
這樣會讓LIN更強 接詐蛋還能三分命中 娜孩有啥能難倒他
11/15 17:10, 94F
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