[轉錄] 打臉蕭美琴信函?AIT理事卜道維:學生占立

看板HatePolitics作者 ( .＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿.)時間10年前 (2014/03/31 16:47), 10年前編輯推噓85(85推 0噓 73→)
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來，我們看看原文怎麼說。 NELSON REPORT: David Brown on Hsiao Bi-khim's letter 歐尼爾報告：達維徳布朗評蕭米琴的公開信 Thanks for sharing Bi-Khim's open letter. She deserves respect, but this piece is a partisan statement of DPP views on the current crisis in the LY. That's her job, of course. 感謝您分享蕭米琴的公開信。我相當敬重她，這封信的內容相當客觀且中立 的分析了目前立法院的危機。當然，這是她應該做的。 You and others will note that it omits much of the story concerning the STA, which the DPP has opposed from its signing last June. She conveniently omits the DPP's record of obstruction of LY consideration of the agreement. That began in the special LY session last fall and continued with dilatory handling of forums on the agreement. 大家都已經看到了，在這封信當中廣泛的討論了服貿協議，以及民進黨如何 從去年六月開始就理性的勸說國民黨不得通過此協議。她很詳細的介紹民進 黨與國民黨的辯論過程，不管是在說明會，公聽會，還是在委員會中都不厭 其煩的據理力爭。 The week before March 17, the DPP had repeatedly prevented the planned article by article review of the STA at the LY committee level. That obstructionism was the proximate incentive for the KMT to ram through a decision moving the STA from committee to plenary consideration on Mar. 18. 在三月十七日前的那個禮拜，民進黨重複不斷的嘗試要逐條審議服貿協議。 無奈國民黨不斷地阻擋，最後甚至不惜用強渡關山的方式將服貿協議送入 院會。 ， It is remarkable that the students reacted so quickly that same evening to occupy the LY. . The KMT has accused the DPP of instigating this action, an accusation that many believe. Unnamed DPP politicians were reportedly on the scene later that evening; and the party endorsed the action the following day, and then encouraged all its members to support the students' illegal occupation. 學生當晚佔領立法院的速度令人讚賞。雖然國民黨控訴民進黨暗中策劃佔 領行動，但是沒有人相信。完全沒有任何民進黨政治人物在現場出現，而 且民進黨也出面嚴厲譴責任何暴力行為，並約束民進黨員支持學生的佔領 行動。 A DPP poll published a few days earlier had indicated that a plurality of DPP members (40%) were dissatisfied with the party's knee-jerky opposition to every step forward in cross-strait relations. So rather than have the DPP LY caucus responsible for continuing to block consideration of the STA, wasn't it in the DPP's interest to have students play that role? 民進黨內部民調顯示，40％的民進黨支持者對於逢中必反感到相當滿意。 所以才有學生自發的佔領行動，縱使這個行為對DPP其實加分不多。 Bi-Khim portrays this as a struggle for democracy. It's really another fundamental clash of approaches toward the mainland and toward Taiwan's future. But if its about democracy, is the DPP's repeated physical blocking of LY action democratic? 美琴將這個行動描述為捍衛民主，事實上這的確與兩岸間的競合沒有太大 關聯。民進黨在立法院內的行為就是民主的最好示範。 The DPP's problem is that the KMT, divided as it is, has a LY majority, and the DPP will go to whatever lengths are necessary to block the majority when their key interests are involved or when it suits the DPP's election mobilization goals to exploit issues for political advantage. 民進黨的問題是在國民黨制定的選舉制度下，難以成為多數黨。因此民進 黨為了保衛台灣民主，替台灣做了很多努力。民進黨從來不會為了選舉動員， 或者政治利益去做出破壞民主制度的舉動。 I suspect that the fall election is a key consideration in how the party is handling the issue. In this country we would not permit such obstruction to occur in the Congress, and we would not view the DPP's obstruction tactics as legitimate democratic action. 我認為年底的選舉，人民就會給國民黨一個教訓。這種佔領國會的行為，通 常只有在領導者天怒人怨之時才會出現，這是完全合情合理合法的。 Taiwan is a democracy in transition. It faces challenges and some of those challenges come from the DPP. 台灣正在面臨民主轉型，事實上台灣需要民進黨帶領才能客服這過程中遇到的 種種挑戰 =============== 請給分！！ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 211.76.175.170 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/HatePolitics/M.1396255627.A.22F.html
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吱:理事什麼咖?
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己爸婚
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幾霸分!
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認真70
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我不知道理事什麼咖 但肯定不是調阿咖
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加10分!
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原來民進黨也略懂什麼叫做睜眼說瞎話
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100分 下去領500
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推一下XD
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我有文件絕對不會給你這家翻譯社翻XD
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DPP真當美帝情蒐CIA到AIT國務院都是瞎子?
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不是什麼咖 XD
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靠，害我還很認真在看中英內容
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XDDDDDD
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中文翻譯不及格 主詞錯置
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120分 民主，和平，理性。:)
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我很認真地看了才發現中文翻譯原來是在惡搞...
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這篇好酸XDXD
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等等 原來翻譯在惡搞? 沒注意...
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愛台灣的角度而言 翻譯100分
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請拿掉原文投書豬油XDDD
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葛來芬多+10
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不對 附上原文應該也是一樣 那就直接投書吧XDDDDDDDDD
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不知道會不會有人只看中文就...呵呵，總覺得有可能
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小弟英文不好 有沒有關燈版的正解
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神翻譯！快投稿啊！
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正解請找"成人童話"
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X 騙我! XDDD
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這篇放到臉書上絕對破50萬個讚外加50萬次分享！
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幹 這翻譯越看越神
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童話的沒有全文啊
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我也覺得轉到FB之類絕對很多人不看英文就讚下去 XD
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我現在才發現蕭逼琴的名字是用台語拼音耶XDD（重點放錯
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這轉到花果山可能被推爆XDDDDDDDDDD
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甚麼叫做睜眼說瞎話XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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※ 編輯: puec2 (211.76.175.170), 03/31/2014 16:57:28
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怎麼辦，這篇跟上一篇讓我笑到嘴角一直上揚......
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可以轉借FB嗎XDDD
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超好笑XDDD吱吱看了一定高潮
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還有 81 則推文
還有 2 段內文
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譯文沒錯，看的我內牛滿面.....
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eu大，這篇是翻譯是要有愛台灣的心才看得懂啊(煙)
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你看連AIT都支持學運 0+long凍蒜.... 馬19下台....
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Bi-khim wrote a letter to the Nelson Report 人家回她
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回的不是DPP想看的就開始拿對方的身份說嘴 ┐(─＿─)┌
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東區唯一支持，蔡麗青 ╰(‵皿′＊)╯
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因為我覺得好笑的點不在於對方官位，他是為NelsonR回啊
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這整件事情就是DPP把臉伸過去討打，有什麼好戰XD
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喔喔喔 elfy大說得很精闢 我懂了 XDDDDD
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就天真的以為美國人看不懂這把戲啊 智缺
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原來要用愛台灣的心...那真的應該推一下了，哈哈
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把馬英九看成智障就算了，把米國人看成智障是怎樣
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不過發現一件事 為什麼查理布朗會被翻譯成溥稻唯阿?
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把David Brown改成中式姓+名的諧音吧
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※ 編輯: puec2 (140.116.20.7), 03/31/2014 17:47:16
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達維徳布朗有點星戰西斯武士的fu XDDDDDD
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問個問題也要修...作者不要這樣嘛 我肚子好痛.........
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明明是查理布朗
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David 是希伯來名 念起來是 打 V~的
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打逼~
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100分無誤XDDDDDDD
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應該大T把標題也改掉XDDF
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100分XD
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明天4/1再來弄到臉書
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可惡查理布朗明明就比較可愛!!!
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怎麼還沒人轉花果山各板?
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中的ph值也太低了 XDD
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愚人節提前過了？？
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原PO用了愛台灣翻譯米糕？
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原來翻譯有惡搞 難怪覺得怎麼跟我早上看報紙的內容不一樣
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有正確翻譯嗎？我一開始真的被中文翻譯誤導....
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吱吱們要回去花果山向猴王獻寶了XDDD
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礙呆丸神翻譯XD
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這翻譯XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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怎沒爆啦
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這就是愛台灣啦!!
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己霸婚
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真的是看到傻掉後狂笑...XD
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礙呆丸神翻譯XD
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有推有愛台.
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