[新聞] 俄男自己改寫合約申請信用卡惹議已回收

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1.媒體來源: Minyanville (美國) 2.完整新聞標題: [UPDATED] Russian Man Turns Tables on Bank, Changes Fine Print in Credit Card Agreement, Then Sues, Now Settles 3.完整新聞內文: 原文是英文,簡單來說,有個俄羅斯男子Dmitry Agarkov 在2008年收到銀行寄來的信用卡申請單 他在填寫完資料後寄出,但他寄出的版本更改了其中一些條約 像是年利率改為0%以及不需繳納任何費用,還附加條款說如果銀行單方面違反 他可以請求銀行支付違約金 結果後來還真的收到銀行簽名的合約副本和新信用卡 兩年後他因為都沒付錢給銀行被銀行決定終止卡片,另外也起訴他未繳納費用跟罰金 但法院裁定合約有效所以他只需負擔部分金額 然後他反告銀行說銀行違反合約需支付違約賠償 最後好像是以未公開的條件和銀行達成合解的樣子XD 原文: In Soviet Russia, banks pay customers' bills. Or, at least, one might. An interesting case has surfaced in Voronezh, Russia, where a man is suing a bank for more than 24 million Russian rubles (about $727,000) in compensation over a handcrafted document that was signed and recognized by the bank. Dmitry Agarkov said that in 2008 he received a letter from Tinkoff Credit Systems in his mailbox. It was a credit card application form with an agreement contract enclosed, much like the applications Americans receive daily from Visa (NYSE:V), Mastercard (NYSE:MA), American Express (NYSE:AXP), or Discover (NYSE:DFS). Agarkov filled in the form and returned the signed application, though what he sent back was not exactly the same document the bank had sent him. A promotional image from Tinkoff Credit Systems' website. Agarkov changed some parts for his own benefit -- most notably, the small print. He opted in for a 0% APR and no fees, and added that the customer "is not obliged to pay any fees and charges imposed by bank tariffs." He also changed the URL of the site where the terms and conditions were published from www.tcsbank.ru to tcsbank.at.ua. Additionally, he added a special clause that would protect him should the bank break the agreement in a unilateral manner. For each unilateral change in the terms provided in the agreement, the bank would be asked to pay the customer (Agarkov) 3 million rubles (about $91,000), or a cancellation fee of 6 million rubles ($182,000). Agarkov then sent his updated agreement to the bank, and shortly thereafter received the bank's signed and certified copy, as well as a credit card. However, after two years of active use, the bank decided to terminate Mr. Agarkov's credit card in 2010 because he was late paying the minimum required amounts. In 2012, the bank sued Agarkov for 45,000 roubles ($1,363) – an amount that included the remaining balance, fees, and late payment charges. The court decided that the agreement Agarkovcrafted was valid, and required Agarkov to settle only his balance of 19,000 rubles ($575). Dmitry Agarkov, the customer who rewrote the rules for his own credit card. Photo republished with permission from RIA Voronezh. Despite the apparent victory, Agarkov fought back: On August 1, the Kominternovsky District Court of Voronezh launched hearings about Agarkov's countersuit against the bank. As Tinkoff Credit Systems had not honored eight clauses in the agreement, Agarkov now wants the bank to pay amends of 24 million rubles ($727,000) total. The law firm Konsultant, which is representing Agarkov, says that the bank's decision to terminate the agreement cannot be lawful because his client was not paid 6 million rubles, as per terms of the amended agreement. The bank has so far said that the case was related to "a nonrecurrent technical issue," and it is willing to have its day in court. The next hearing will be held in September. UPDATE: The dispute between Agarkov and Tinkoff Credit Systems escalated when the bank's chairman, Oleg Tinkov, took to Twitter to respond to media interest in the case. (See: Russian Bank Chairman Comments on the Fine Print Case: 'Nobody Will Win Anything From Us.') Then, on August 14, both sides announced a settlement on undisclosed terms. "The conflict is counterproductive, so we agreed to settle it by withdrawing our mutual complaints," said Oliver Hughes, president of Tinkoff Credit Systems. "This started as a joke in 2008... but the joke has gone too far," said Agarkov. "Of course I won't recommend other people do what I did. Before you opt in for credit, you must think multiple times and carefully study your bank's terms. But if you agree, you'll have to stick to it." 4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址): http://www.minyanville.com/business-news/editors-pick/articles/A-Russian-Bank-Is-Sued-for/8/14/2013/id/51305?refresh=1 https://tinyurl.com/yd6holyy 附上google翻譯版連結: https://tinyurl.com/yauxsb6u 5.備註: ※ 一個人一天只能張貼一則新聞,被刪或自刪也算額度內超貼者水桶,請注意 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.134.18.8 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1529032097.A.EDF.html

06/15 11:10, 6年前 , 1F
事後想想不對勁
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06/15 11:10, 6年前 , 2F
把賈伯斯做成人型蜈蚣
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06/15 11:10, 6年前 , 3F
這樣也行?
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06/15 11:11, 6年前 , 4F
聰明
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06/15 11:11, 6年前 , 5F
屌 爆 了
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06/15 11:12, 6年前 , 6F
Worked the system.
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06/15 11:12, 6年前 , 7F
其實也滿合理的,but自然人有資格可以提出這種要約嗎?
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06/15 11:12, 6年前 , 8F
哈哈哈哈哈哈 太屌了
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06/15 11:13, 6年前 , 9F
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06/15 11:14, 6年前 , 10F
問題銀行也沒看,就傻傻的收下合約阿XDDD
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06/15 11:15, 6年前 , 11F
j為何自然人沒資格修改合約?銀行也同意 合約就成立啊!
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06/15 11:15, 6年前 , 12F
以民法的角度契約合意就可以生效,但信用卡是金融商品
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06/15 11:15, 6年前 , 13F
銀行沒看吧
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06/15 11:15, 6年前 , 14F
,不是合意不合意就能生效吧?沒主管機關核備的,那以
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06/15 11:15, 6年前 , 15F
後銀行都讓申請者動手修改就可以規避主管機關審核
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06/15 11:16, 6年前 , 16F
現在銀行審件都嘛流水線 看到文件很像就過了
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06/15 11:16, 6年前 , 17F
強 你可以提出這種條件的 銀行收不收另一回事
06/15 11:16, 17F

06/15 11:16, 6年前 , 18F
但那是俄國 不是台灣呀
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06/15 11:17, 6年前 , 19F
以後銀行的申請單是不是也要做防偽小片 XDDD
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06/15 11:18, 6年前 , 20F
代表銀行也沒再看那一大串的合約
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06/15 11:18, 6年前 , 21F
金融主管機關為了避免不正當競爭行為,多少都會管制過
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06/15 11:18, 6年前 , 22F
於浮濫的高讓利商品,如果可以讓消費者自己改合約,那
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06/15 11:18, 6年前 , 23F
大對小 只要改的內容對小的有利 為什麼還要核備?
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06/15 11:18, 6年前 , 24F
以後銀行都拿合格的商品合約讓消費者改高讓利不就完美
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06/15 11:19, 6年前 , 25F
這不是偽造啊 他只是改了條件簽訂 對方不看就接受
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06/15 11:19, 6年前 , 26F
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06/15 11:20, 6年前 , 27F
屌報了
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06/15 11:20, 6年前 , 28F
想不到合約要看清楚 沒看清楚就簽字這話也能跟銀行說
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06/15 11:20, 6年前 , 29F
天才,這真的是卡神
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06/15 11:21, 6年前 , 30F
金融商品的要式合約都是必須經過核備的,私下製作肯定
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06/15 11:21, 6年前 , 31F
還是有偽造的問題
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06/15 11:21, 6年前 , 32F
自己故意把合約搞得密密麻麻有夠小字的副作用
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06/15 11:21, 6年前 , 33F
銀行也沒注意看XDD
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06/15 11:21, 6年前 , 34F
這跟偽造一點關係都沒有啦 XDDDDDDDDD 不錯笑
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06/15 11:22, 6年前 , 35F
沒有偽造阿?合約本來就是由雙方訂的,他只是改了一些條
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06/15 11:23, 6年前 , 36F
合格的合約書 只改動一兩條應該不至於偽造
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06/15 11:23, 6年前 , 37F
例,是銀行自己沒注意,讓他審核過。
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06/15 11:23, 6年前 , 38F
銀行自己都簽了,代表他同意更改阿!
06/15 11:23, 38F

06/15 11:23, 6年前 , 39F
智商w
06/15 11:23, 39F
還有 30 則推文
06/15 12:07, 6年前 , 70F
啊哈哈哈
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06/15 12:09, 6年前 , 71F
天才
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06/15 12:09, 6年前 , 72F
以子之矛攻子之盾啊!!強!!!
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06/15 12:28, 6年前 , 73F
事後越想越不對,金融版
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06/15 12:40, 6年前 , 74F
合約多到銀行自己都不檢查
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06/15 12:41, 6年前 , 75F
可以,自己定的可以,是銀行簽名的回去被釘到暴
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06/15 12:43, 6年前 , 76F
屌爆
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06/15 12:45, 6年前 , 77F
讓審核過的死定了
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06/15 12:47, 6年前 , 78F
法理上是成立的,銀行同意還簽名了,銀行活該自己不
06/15 12:47, 78F

06/15 12:47, 6年前 , 79F
檢查
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06/15 12:49, 6年前 , 80F
已詳閱並同意(簽
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06/15 13:02, 6年前 , 81F
哈哈反將銀行一軍,自己不看清楚合約哦
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06/15 13:03, 6年前 , 82F
學起來,感謝提供XD
06/15 13:03, 82F

06/15 13:05, 6年前 , 83F
戰鬥民族
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06/15 13:06, 6年前 , 84F
銀行信用卡申請單以後會加上防偽措施吧
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06/15 13:07, 6年前 , 85F
欠台幣三萬 跟銀行索賠兩千萬 滿屌的
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06/15 13:10, 6年前 , 86F
哈哈 反弄銀行
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06/15 13:11, 6年前 , 87F
幹 超屌XDDD
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06/15 13:20, 6年前 , 88F
反將銀行一軍 銀行行員在幹嘛 XDDDDD
06/15 13:20, 88F

06/15 13:20, 6年前 , 89F
又一堆智障在鬼叫,搞壞基本信任,人類要活得很辛苦
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06/15 13:21, 6年前 , 90F
鑽漏洞還一堆人稱讚,人類果然應該早點滅亡別害地球了
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06/15 13:22, 6年前 , 91F
如果銀行也一樣亂寫一堆在裡面,法院會怎麼判? 智障法院
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06/15 13:22, 6年前 , 92F
腦殘法官,頭殼裝屎的法官。
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06/15 13:34, 6年前 , 93F
忍術偽造文書術
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06/15 13:36, 6年前 , 94F
樓樓上不知道在崩潰啥XD
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06/15 13:40, 6年前 , 95F
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06/15 14:19, 6年前 , 96F
XD
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06/15 14:30, 6年前 , 97F
居然希望自己快點死wwwww 還是閣下是條狗
06/15 14:30, 97F

06/15 14:39, 6年前 , 98F
XDDDDDD
06/15 14:39, 98F

06/15 15:13, 6年前 , 99F
內容都不看就簽字的範例 XD
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06/15 15:28, 6年前 , 100F
銀行自己也不看清楚合約XDDD
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06/15 15:30, 6年前 , 101F
平常怪顧客不看合約,現在銀行自己不看合約吃鱉了齁
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06/15 16:00, 6年前 , 102F
宋!再密密麻麻啊
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06/15 16:08, 6年前 , 103F
狂耶
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06/15 16:08, 6年前 , 104F
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06/15 17:06, 6年前 , 105F
銀行:一些笨蛋不會看合約條文啦~何況是我們 QQ
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06/15 22:37, 6年前 , 106F
天才
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06/15 23:38, 6年前 , 107F
這個厲害
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06/16 12:09, 6年前 , 108F
太強啦!
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07/18 17:14, 5年前 , 109F
還蠻屌的XD
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