[問卦] 當初921俄羅斯飛機受阻消失

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想請問各位大大,我從小相信的「921俄國救災隊受中國阻撓,延遲來台」 這個消息的可信度到底有多少? 已在精華區看到有人整理許多外媒的文章,但似乎都是第二手消息。 會這麼問是因為我看到以下報導: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2009/09/18/2003453864 這是個英國人2009在台北時報寫的社論,提出台北時報(對,打自己臉)該年四月的 報導俄國救難隊921十周年受邀來台新聞中提到的:Because of China’s refusal to allow Russian planes to fly through its airspace, the help was delayed for 12 hours.”是不真實的(untrue)。 以下擷取幾段翻譯: When the accusation first appeared in the media, I felt doubtful for three reasons. First, different media disagreed widely about the length of the delay. Second, according to my understanding of relations between Russia, China and Taiwan, I thought it unlikely that China would refuse such a request. Third, the source of the report was said to be a Russian-language newspaper Segodnya (Today). I found this odd because it is very rare for Taiwanese media to report stories from the Russian media, especially when the original article is in Russian. 當這個指控首次出現在媒體上時,我因為三個理由趕到疑惑: 第一、對被耽擱時間的長度,不同媒體間有極大的分歧。 第二、根據我對俄國、中國及台灣的了解,我認為中國會阻止這項要求[譯注:過境中國] 是不太可能的。 第三,這篇報導的來源據說是俄語報紙Segodnya。我覺得這很奇怪,因為台灣媒體鮮少 報導俄羅斯媒體的報導,特別是原文是俄語的時候。 Out of curiosity, I visited the Russian trade office on Xinyi Road to ask whether the reports were true. The Russian trade representative and other staff said they had not heard of it. The Russian representative said: “Not everything you read in the newspapers is always true.” 出於好奇心,我造訪了在信義路上的俄羅斯貿易辦公室[注:應該是莫北協],以詢問 這篇報導是否屬實。該辦的貿易代表及工作人員表示他們從未聽過此事。該代表說, 「你在報紙上看到的事不一定是真的。」 He explained that he had played a key role in facilitating the rescue mission. He assured me that the Russian team had never requested to fly through Chinese air space, since the quickest and most efficient way for them to come here was to follow their established domestic route from Moscow to the Russian Far East, and from there across the sea to Taiwan. He said the route from Russia to Taiwan was registered with international aviation authorities, although it was not in commercial use. It had only been used once before, for a private flight to Taiwan by Russian politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky (who visited Taiwan from Oct. 18 to Oct. 22, 1998.) The trade representative said China could not have refused permission for the Russian plane to fly over China, because the Russians never made any such request. 他解釋說,他對啟動救援任務扮演了關鍵角色。他向我保證俄羅斯的隊伍從未要求飛過 中國空域,因為到這裡最快而有效率的方式是經由他們已建立的國內航線,從莫斯科 飛到俄屬遠東,再從那裏跨海來台。他表示雖然未投入商用,但從俄國到台灣的航線 已被國際航空當局註冊。這條航線只在俄國政治家Vladimir Zhirinovsky私人來台 時用過一次(於1998年十月18日到十月22日造訪台灣)。該代表說,中國不可能拒絕批准 俄機過境中國,因為俄羅斯從未發出此要求。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.231.243.17 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1455077725.A.10E.html ※ 編輯: joybook11 (36.231.243.17), 02/10/2016 12:17:31

02/10 12:16, , 1F
(づ′・ω・)づ不知道
02/10 12:16, 1F

02/10 12:16, , 2F
煮國善液:俄羅斯可能想偷炸台灣耶~我是為大家好
02/10 12:16, 2F

02/10 12:17, , 3F
弗拉迪米爾
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02/10 12:18, , 4F
不管啦 都是中國的錯 嗚嗚
02/10 12:18, 4F

02/10 12:19, , 5F
應該是假的,俄飛台航線有不需中國同意的
02/10 12:19, 5F
哪個是假的? 如果需經過中國領空應該需要中國同意吧?

02/10 12:19, , 6F
中國沒有理由阻止救援啊
02/10 12:19, 6F
※ 編輯: joybook11 (36.231.243.17), 02/10/2016 12:22:41

02/10 12:26, , 7F
背後有龐大的組織每天在帶風向
02/10 12:26, 7F

02/10 12:38, , 8F
中國外交部朱祖壽說俄國確實有提出通過中國領空的請求
02/10 12:38, 8F
http://blog.udn.com/meatball2/3223474 他提出的是赴台救援計畫,可能不是飛越領空?

02/10 12:39, , 9F
經歷過921的多半有印象這事 至於真假 時空環境轉變 現在
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02/10 12:39, , 10F
會不會承認我覺得有待考證
02/10 12:39, 10F
※ 編輯: joybook11 (36.231.243.17), 02/10/2016 12:46:01

02/10 15:04, , 11F
現在統媒想洗白是吧
02/10 15:04, 11F

02/10 15:19, , 12F
統媒是汪中吧 台北時報是自由報系的
02/10 15:19, 12F

02/10 21:02, , 14F
02/10 21:02, 14F
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