Re: It's not possible to allow non-OPIE logins only from trusted

Dom, 2011-03-13 =C3=A0s 22:05 +0000, RW escreveu:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:06:17 +0000
> Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos <mbox@miguel.ramos.name> wrote:
> > Ok, admittedly, it took me a while to see in what way that could be a
> > weekness. It's a bit like hoping for a little remaining security after
> > the password list was compromised.
>=20
> It means they can compute keys that they already have on the printout
> plus obsolete keys. In what sense is that a weakness?

Yes, also in my opinion that is not a weakness.
I was trying to see the thing through the perspective of those who call
it a weakness (it was a reply).
Let's call it a non-strongness.

The point that I took a while to see and which I think it's the reason
why they say it's a weakness, is that if an attacker only came to
possess a future password (one with a lower sequence number), then he
can trivially compute all previous passwords.

This is a non-strongness in the sense that if it weren't so, he might
never get a chance of using that password.

Ter, 2011-03-15 =C3=A0s 11:43 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav escreveu:
Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos <mbox@miguel.ramos.name> writes:
> > Ok, admittedly, it took me a while to see in what way that could be
a
> > weekness. It's a bit like hoping for a little remaining security
after
> > the password list was compromised.
>=20
> OPIE is not designed to protect against a stolen password list; it is
> designed to protect against replay attacks.

So I understand. That's why my words were such a faible concession to
that point of view.

The wikipedia page for OTPW actually states that as a disadvantage of
OPIE, making several times the point that OTPW is resistent to the case
of a stolen password list.
They also make the questionable argument of a paper being more portable
than a calculator, which I also understand but don't agree, because a
calculator can be "transported" over the Internet easily.

I've been using OPIE for several years now, and I don't think OTPW would
fit my usage patterns.

Sorry for cross-thread posting.

--=20
Miguel Ramos <mbox@miguel.ramos.name>
PGP A006A14C
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