Re: stable/9 still looking for packages at 9-current

Hi,

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9 January 2012 18:16, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ok, I'm a stupid lazy user (obviously)... While browsing the ftp, I
>>> see 9.0 ISOs in a `releases' directory. Do you expect me to consult
>>> freebsd-announce@, verify the signature of the announce, the hash of
>>> the ISOs, etc. to consider that 9.0 has been released ? No, I see 9.0
>>> ISOs in a `releases' directory, I assume it has been released,
>>> whatever your spreading process is.
>>>
>>> Btw, none of the CHECKSUMS files are signed on the FTP.
>>
>> Have you checked the website? The latest supported release is clearly
>> specified, right in the middle of the home page.
>>
>> Please don't tell me you'd look in ftp before checking the website. =A0I
>> think you're just looking to nitpick.
>
> And, which is worse:
> =A01. =A0tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP
> server, wait for the mirrors (FTP, CVS, SVN) to sync, then make the
> official announcement which includes a few days/weeks where "the
> release" is available but not official; or
> =A02. =A0tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP
> server, make the official announcement, user goes to their
> favourite/closest mirror, and can't access the release since it hasn't
> synced yet
>
3. tag the release[0], build the ISOs, upload then to main FTP and
mirrors but restrict visibility[0], announce the release, make the
build visible everywhere.

At worse, fall-back on #2 with peer-to-peer distribution.

If some steps in that process do not exist, create them.

 - Arnaud

> I think people would complain a hell of a lot more about 2 than they
> currently do about 1.
>
> Yes, people upgrading via source will see X.Y-RELEASE before it's
> officially announced on the website/mailing lists. =A0Yes, people
> browsing ftp.freebsd.org will see X.Y-RELEASE ISOs before it's
> officially announced. =A0Yes, some users will get confused by seeing
> X.Y-RELEASE available before the official annoucements.
>
> But, that's a lot better than making an annoucement and having users
> unable to use it since it's not available on their local mirrors.
>
> What's annoying, though, is that we have to go through this with every
> ... single ... minor ... release. =A0It's not a hard concept, yet every
> time there's a new release, people get confused by it.
>
> Is there something that could be done to make it more
> streamlined/smoother? =A0Maybe, maybe not. =A0Depends. =A0You'd have to w=
ant
> to join the RE team to find out more about the current release/mirror
> infrastructure. =A0:) =A0And then be willing to put in the time/effort to
> improve it. =A0:D
>
> Does all of Arnaud's complaining and nit-picking constitute a request
> to volunteer to "fix" things? =A0;)
>
> --
> Freddie Cash
> fjwcash@gmail.com
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